In this episode of YATA, Oshi and I kick off with real‑life coaching lessons from a sideline dust‑up at a 9U baseball game—using it to talk mindset, impulse control, and teaching kids to hustle. From there we read your value‑for‑value boosts, shout out first‑time and returning supporters, and dig into a great listener question: what’s our elevator pitch for getting small businesses to accept Bitcoin? We trade experiences trying to convince a local coffee shop (Square POS, we’re looking at you), land on the simplest hook—cut card fees and meet customers where they are—and swap practical ideas like leave‑behind brochures and short, owner‑friendly videos. We also hit Nostr tooling and security trade‑offs: Wisp’s recent UX choices, using remote signers like Amber and nsecBunker, browser signers like nos2x and Alby, plus why many of us prefer not to paste nsecs into every app. Then we zoom out to Bitcoin governance—op_return, “who controls Bitcoin,” and the tension between monetary use and storing arbitrary data—pointing listeners to a timely Mechanic interview. Along the way: meetups, Local Bitcoiners, streaming sats on Fountain, Obscura/Proton VPNs, and even a quick Beatles riff (I Feel Fine). As always, send your questions, pitches, and meetup tips—this show runs on your boosts and notes.
- 'What Bitcoin Did' – The OP_RETURN War: Who Controls Bitcoin? (with Bitcoin Mechanic): https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/wbd911-mechanic
- Local Bitcoiners — The Bitcoin Meetup Podcast: https://localbitcoiners.com/
- Damus (Nostr client): https://damus.io/
- Wisp (Nostr client): https://wisp.mobile/
- Amber (Nostr signer for Android) — OpenSats project page: https://opensats.org/projects/amber
- nos2x (Nostr signer browser extension) — GitHub: https://github.com/fiatjaf/nos2x
- Alby — Bitcoin Lightning wallets & tools: https://getalby.com/
- nsecBunker — Remote Nostr signer: https://nsecbunker.com/
- AQUA Wallet — Bitcoin made simple: https://aqua.net/
- The Tuttle Twins (books & cartoon): https://www.tuttletwins.com/
- Proton VPN — Official site: https://protonvpn.com/vpn
- Obscura VPN — Privacy‑focused VPN with Lightning payments: https://obscura.com/
- Nostr Wallet Connect (NWC) — Docs: https://docs.nwc.dev/
- Fountain — Value‑for‑Value podcast app: https://fountain.fm/
- Podhome — Modern podcast hosting: https://www.podhome.fm/
- Take My Sats — Bitcoin‑native commerce platform: https://www.takemysats.com/
- Square — Point of Sale for businesses: https://squareup.com/
- The Beatles — “I Feel Fine” (official page): https://www.thebeatles.com/i-feel-fine
- DarthCoin Guides — Bitcoin & Lightning onboarding resources: https://darth-coin.github.io/
Join us on Nostr: Oshi (npub1uzt238htjzpq39dxmltlx60vxym9fetk9czz6kddq6fhvkf4z3usy9qtrh) & Permanerd (npub1zqdpzty2mshxncqqxy2078qax6mlehsxmpx5095wtxw4tpepkr0s2ce6fj)
Send an email: sayhi@youarethealgo.com
[00:00:18] Permanerd:
Hello, and welcome to the YADA podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and I am joined today by my good friend and the person that you're all here to listen to, mister Huddlebutter himself, Oshi. How you doing, Oshi?
[00:00:35] Oshi:
What's up, dude? Did you like my little Beatles record? I did. Do you recognize what that song is? I
[00:00:40] Permanerd:
did not. I wasn't got a drink of water to be honest with you. I forgot the name of it. Okay. Question for you. Do you know what song that is?
[00:00:52] Oshi:
I'm so glad that she's not what is that one? I Feel Fine? Yeah. I Feel Fine.
[00:00:59] Permanerd:
Classic. And luckily, we're not on YouTube, so we won't get a strike for using copyrighted True. It's obscured enough. You can't tell. That's right. Beatles is spelled b e t t l.
[00:01:13] Unknown:
Two e's. Yeah.
[00:01:15] Permanerd:
So what's new with you, man?
[00:01:18] Oshi:
Gosh. There's always something going on. Just got back from being with a a fellow guy at the coffee shop. We'll talk about it later though. But, you know, she's getting stuff done. Lay laying a bunch of mulch down. It's getting hot as balls here, but, you know, it's good to sweat, you know.
[00:01:37] Permanerd:
Yeah. They say that sweating is good for you.
[00:01:40] Oshi:
It's hard work though. It's your skin skin's your third kidney. Right?
[00:01:44] Permanerd:
Third kidney. You have two kidneys? Nice. Lucky. Humble humble break. Still. Yeah. I've just been doing a lot of baseball still around here. I actually had my first confrontation, you might say, or Mhmm. Had a a parent yelling at me from the from the sidelines during our game last night. So that was fun.
[00:02:13] Oshi:
Wait. Yeah. So what what did happen there?
[00:02:15] Permanerd:
Oh, he just his kid was playing center field and was just watching watching balls roll past. And and I I, you know, I just told this kid that that, you know, that's his ball to back up. You gotta back up the the left fielder. Mhmm. Right? And if it goes past him, just just be moving. That's all I'm trying to instill in these kids is, like, just hustle. Hustle and and Yeah. And Work. Yeah. Move towards the ball, but a lot of them just don't want to do that. And then because I and I I was like, hey. You know, you got to you gotta back him up, you know, run over there.
And then his Mhmm. Dad started yelling at it. That wasn't even his ball. Blah blah blah blah. No. No. And so I went over and talked to him. It turns out that that wasn't the first one that he's decided to yell at from the sidelines.
[00:03:06] Oshi:
No. He's just one of those guys.
[00:03:09] Permanerd:
I guess so. Yeah. I I mean, I've tried to be nice to him at practices, and I was nice to him. I think it it I definitely took a breath before I went and talked to him because otherwise, it would have probably ended a lot poorer than it did. Yeah.
[00:03:22] Oshi:
Yeah. Baseball can get aggressive, man, especially with the parents involved. It is. And this is the first time that
[00:03:28] Permanerd:
that I've had to deal with it. So I was kinda I was struggling with it a bit last night. You know, you kinda question yourself. And like everything else, you know, I'm pretty new to coaching, and and there's always that that time of, impostor syndrome Mhmm. You know, and and self doubt. Anytime you start a career, do anything new, there's that period. So it's it's it's good to, you know, to reflect on that and then, you know, just build from it and realize, okay. Like, you know, there I might have had a part to play in in whatever happens, but you can't control other people as well and just try to get better. That's right. That's that's the mindset. Good on you. Yeah. So that was that was good. I I I mean, they're they're talking about, you know, like, suspending him from games and stuff like that. But Oh, really? The parent? Yeah.
[00:04:19] Unknown:
Wow.
[00:04:21] Permanerd:
So, I mean, there's a there's a You have a zero tolerance for yelling at coaches or referees
[00:04:28] Oshi:
or umpires. Especially when the kids are, you know, seven. It's like this isn't MLB,
[00:04:33] Permanerd:
brother. But it also comes down to, like, you know, I don't necessarily want parents to get thrown out. And I don't want I don't know. It it's a it's a it's a weird weird thing. You know? I don't want other people fighting my battles, but it comes down to Mhmm. It's not my place as a coach on this team to decide what happens in that situation. Mhmm. You know? But it just feels also like I'm not you know, I didn't even tell anybody about it. Somebody came and asked me about it. And, you know, I'm not trying to throw the guy under the bus, but also, like, get a grip. Mhmm. Yeah.
Well, you gotta get that kid to pick up the balls now. Yeah. I mean, he's a good kid, but you gotta, like, move. Just move. That's all. Just move. Even, like, one step. We'll start with one step. Glove down. Glove down. Yeah. That's probably enough baseball drama talk. Let's get into the numbers. Let's do it. This podcast is a value for value podcast, which just means that it's here. Do what you will with it. And any sort of value that you feel like you got, send it back in any way you can, whether that is a note on Noster or an email to say hi@youarethealgo.com, which is still a very, very lonely email address.
Or my personal favorite, you can send a boost through any two point or podcasting two point o enabled app, which allows you to send Bitcoin in any denomination that you wish and attach a note to it. And so we usually read those at the beginning here and thank the people that are contributing back. And so the first boost is five five five from progressively worse at fountain.fm. Great news. It is. Yeah. I think it's the first time we've seen seen their name here too. And that was for last episode, which was titled Normie optimization.
And the message is make shekels great again. So I agree. The next boost is $10.33 sats from Jim Sievert. I'm pretty sure I got Yeah. It He's making a a name for himself here. He's pretty consistent with these, and we appreciate it, Jim. And his message is introducing hashtag permacultures permaculture to hashtag normies should be enlightening for many as much as introducing them to Noster. Permaculture, like hashtag Noster, finds hashtag abundance on the hashtag edge, hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grow Noster.
Nice. Yeah. There's a a it's interesting how there's an overlay kind of between permaculture and Bitcoin and Noster and and just health in general.
[00:07:27] Oshi:
Yeah. We should we should talk more about the permaculture stuff because honestly I don't know too much from it. So Okay. Yeah. Maybe we'll make a note of that and
[00:07:37] Permanerd:
we can have a section or something. And if you're listening, well, if you're not listening, then you can't hear this anyway, so that's a bit redundant. But, send a a message. If you have any questions about about permaculture or just growing plants in general, hit us up. Best practices? Yeah. Just any philosophies, concepts, whatever. The next boost is 300 from our good friend, Palmyra, from Fountain as well. And it says, and Bitcoin marches on. Yes. Permanent ate a rat, question mark? What? LOL? Okay. I ate a flying roach in Thailand.
And then it's a Tuttle Twins for kids, and there's a bunch of emojis scattered about in here, which is kinda fun. The Tuttle Twins is interesting. I haven't I've looked into it. I'd I need to look into it more, but they're it's a as far as I know, it's a cartoon for kids that touches on subjects that are important life lessons and, you know, like the how the Fed works and and just how the the government works and stuff like that, I believe.
[00:08:52] Oshi:
Really? So Anyway, I wish I got that in school. I know. Yeah. Exactly. I just got your
[00:08:59] Permanerd:
your standard brainwashing.
[00:09:01] Oshi:
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I I think it's helpful to learn that stuff early on. But, you know, how else are you gonna become a cog? Yep. Right. Exactly.
[00:09:11] Unknown:
The
[00:09:13] Permanerd:
next boost is 250 sats from sats over bits. And that's from Fountain as well. And we're definitely gonna come back to this question later, but this says, first time listener, great episode. Thank you. Question for you both. Thank you. Since you run since since you run a Bitcoin based business, what is your go to elevator pitch to a business on why they should accept Bitcoin? I feel like mine is not compelling enough, l o l. Mhmm. So, Sats Yeah. It's a great question. Is really good question, and we're gonna discuss it in a little bit. And I'll there's a a preview. Mine sucks too.
The next boost is a 111 sats from our good friend bullish clips on Fountain. Bullish. And it's hashtag takemysats.com with an exclamation point. Takemysats.dotcom.
[00:10:11] Oshi:
Takethem.dotcom. We need the echo.dotcom.dotcom.
[00:10:16] Permanerd:
And the next boost is 420 sats from undisciplined. And it says an annoying part of listening to your own pods is noticing your own bad speech patterns.
[00:10:31] Oshi:
Yeah. You gotta learn somehow. Those likes and ums, those filler words, you gotta reduce them.
[00:10:38] Permanerd:
And just being cognizant during the day while speaking. You know, I I
[00:10:43] Oshi:
mentally punch myself in the brain every time I say an Me too. When I catch it. Yeah. I think we're we're far ahead of other people though, I will probably confidently say. You know, I hear the conversations with people having in the coffee shops using likes every other word. It's pretty insane, but, you know, to each their own, I guess. It is, but it's also it's mentally draining
[00:11:09] Permanerd:
to just hear that all the time. It is. Definitely agree. And especially starting a sentence with you just get to the point. Yeah. Exactly. What's
[00:11:24] Oshi:
your question? Yeah. I mean, I I catch myself doing it. I'm gonna try and not do it this episode.
[00:11:30] Permanerd:
We'll see. Well, you are getting much better than from the first episode. Yeah. It's a good practice. I think I think it's good that we do this. This is episode number eight, so that's cool. Oh, shit. Back to a round number. Is that a round number? I guess so. It's about as round as they come, I think. Yeah. There's two round circles. Right? That's right. And One on top of the show? Standing on its head. There you everybody. It's always humbling to get anyone listening, so that's that's nice. Yeah. Send send more questions. Those are awesome. And then the next part that we like to go over is the stats from podhome.fm, which is where we we host this podcast.
And right now, we we passed the 4,000 all time downloads. We're at 4,114. Super. Yeah. That's that's a lot of fun. And then so the last episode titled Normie optimization has gotten 349 downloads so far. And then That one dropped off compared to the other ones. Yeah. It was a bit a bit slower. It started off pretty slow. It's it's interesting because you kinda try to pick up trends.
[00:12:51] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:12:51] Permanerd:
And then
[00:12:53] Oshi:
one of all. No. Okay.
[00:12:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. And that's something I've been contemplating too is whether it's the name of the episode or what what gets people wanting to listen or our numbers just dropping off in general. Is it boring? I don't know what it's kind of a question that we have to have other people answer for us. But if people stop listening, then they're probably not gonna send in a response. So that's Yeah. Well, we're we're getting, you
[00:13:22] Oshi:
know, repeat people coming in. So we'll just keep going. Just keep having fun. Oh, yeah. Well, that's the the main point.
[00:13:31] Unknown:
Having fun and disseminating information. Maybe I just need to riff more.
[00:13:36] Permanerd:
Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. I'm down. So then the next two episodes after that were four seventy three and five ninety seven. And our all time high is 778 downloads, and that was from Abominable Farewell. So maybe people thought Abominable. From the title that we were leaving, so they stopped listening. Either that or we just angered Chad f so much during that episode that he he pulled his posse with him. Sorry, Chad. Sorry, Chad. Oh, and and as far as the top 20 podcast players and websites, Apple Podcast is at 39.16, and Domus is at 38.25.
So it's almost the same, and we still don't know how it's how it's happening. Yeah.
[00:14:30] Oshi:
Yeah. I I really have no idea.
[00:14:34] Permanerd:
And 7593 are Apple phone. 999
[00:14:40] Unknown:
is Android phone. And I'm a contributor. Still. Still.
[00:14:46] Oshi:
Yep.
[00:14:46] Permanerd:
And The United States is by far the the highest listening country followed by Canada and then United Kingdom. And now at the bottom, we've got, I think, a couple new ones, South Africa and Ethiopia.
[00:15:01] Oshi:
Ethiopia.
[00:15:02] Permanerd:
What's going on there lately? Yeah. It's a good question. I'm pretty sure that Ethiopia was the only country in Africa that wasn't colonized by Europe. Is that true? That's think so. Due to its geographic location, it's kind of up on a a plateau or something like that. I think I wrote a paper about it once, but I'm too not smart to remember anything I did in the past. So
[00:15:24] Oshi:
I'll I'll trust you on that one.
[00:15:26] Permanerd:
If you're listening from any of these these countries, shoot us a message. Let us know. And I wonder, maybe they're all VPNs, but I I don't know, an Ethiopian VPN.
[00:15:37] Oshi:
Do you use a VPN?
[00:15:39] Unknown:
I do for some things. Yeah. What do you use?
[00:15:42] Permanerd:
I have I pay for Proton, and so I Oh, okay. Yeah. With that, I get my mail and a VPN.
[00:15:50] Oshi:
Yeah. I use Obscura,
[00:15:52] Unknown:
which I I quite enjoy using. Is that one of Top it off with Lightning. Yeah. Okay. That is the nice. Mhmm.
[00:15:59] Permanerd:
There's actually some there's a a new,
[00:16:04] Oshi:
Nostr NostrVPN? Yeah. I saw that. I I tried it. It wasn't really working for me, though, but maybe I'm just too dumb to figure it out. Yeah. But you could play the guitar, though.
[00:16:15] Permanerd:
Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. I would like to give Nostra VPN a try. It's it's tough to find time to do all these things that I want to do. Mhmm. Yeah. If anyone else out there has, tried it, let us know. Yeah. Or anything else that that, is interesting technology wise that involves, I mean, anything but especially Nostr or Bitcoin.
[00:16:41] Oshi:
Yeah. I I love seeing it though. I think it's so cool. It really is. I don't even fully understand
[00:16:46] Permanerd:
how it works. I mean, creating a VPN through Nostr nodes, I guess. Yeah. And, like, the relays and stuff? Yeah. The relays. Right? I really don't know. I wish I knew. Well, that's like we were talking about the we had a a question before about what we thought of of BIP one ten, and we we both listened to the What Bitcoin Did podcast, which if you're interested in Bitcoin, you should check out that podcast as well. And they had Bitcoin Mechanic on it, he was he was talking about it. And
[00:17:19] Oshi:
it's it's above my pay grade still for sure. Little bit. Yeah. Little bit for me too. But it's basically the whole op return thing at using, you know, the Bitcoin blockchain as a way of just storing data instead of using it primarily as a means of monetary network. Which I don't know, I agree with it. It's it's supposed to be used as a monetary network not a place to store your Blu ray rips. Right. Right. There are other technologies
[00:17:49] Permanerd:
that are more
[00:17:51] Oshi:
attuned to that type of thing. Yeah. Use, you know, smoking fish, chicken fish coin or something. What's the name of it? Smoking I can't remember. That's an actual real coin. I'm sure.
[00:18:05] Permanerd:
So those are all the stats from from Pod Home. And then the last thing we'd like to go over is the the Lycum jar Oh. Which Let's go. Let's run it. Which is just a way for us to keep ourselves accountable for our speech patterns. And for episode seven, for Oshi, you had 4,320 words and 23 fillers, and that's 11 ums and 12 likes for a percentage of point nine seven. Nice one. Okay. And for some reason, I had considerably more words, 6,520, and that is 18 fillers with two ums and 16 likes. So I out I outlaid you that episode.
Wow. No way. That's, like, so amazing. Wow.
[00:19:01] Oshi:
It made my day.
[00:19:04] Permanerd:
Oh, and while I'm remembering, I'd like to also give a shout out to the LocalBitcoiners podcast with Rev Hoddle and Reed. They are listeners to this podcast, and they started about the same time that that we did actually, and that is a a really high signal podcast.
[00:19:28] Oshi:
Yeah. Definitely. Big respect.
[00:19:31] Permanerd:
Yeah. Just all around good dudes.
[00:19:35] Oshi:
So you you Yeah. Rev Hoddle's another, like, permaculture guy. I always see him on his post on Monster.
[00:19:41] Permanerd:
He is. Absolutely. Yeah. The that's why it always confuses me when when people are talking about how it's only Bitcoin Bros and, you know, an Oster's just for an echo chamber for Bitcoin and but there it's Mhmm. Yeah. There's just there's so much good content.
[00:20:02] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. A lot of just, you know, people making stuff with their hands and definitely a lot of artists and yeah. It's just you gotta find them. That's the thing. You gotta create your own algorithm. Know? You're not fed the thing. And you can't expect a 100,000 follows. I think people are stuck on that. But there's also, take into account, there's maybe a 100 people using Noster in a given day. If that. Yeah. There's gotta be more. There's gotta be more. I really I honestly wonder what the actual numbers are because I don't know if I trust some of these numbers but yeah. Sometimes for me it feels like there's literally 30 people.
But I like that, know, it's the town square. It's what was the analogy you made on one of the other episodes? Cheers. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:20:50] Permanerd:
Everyone knows your name kinda thing. And it is Cool. It's again, like I said with the local Bitcoiners, it's it's high signal. You know, there's a lot of there can be some garbage, but it's easy to filter it out too. Sure. Yeah. I mean, you're gonna find that everywhere, but it's definitely less here. And like you said, you can you can filter it out for sure. Do you have, another rift to play us out of the the stats section?
[00:21:15] Oshi:
Let me see here. Good? Perfect.
[00:21:24] Permanerd:
So if you're keen, I'd be interested to hear your take on the question from earlier from Sats over Bits about your elevator pitch on why businesses should accept Bitcoin.
[00:21:39] Oshi:
Yeah. Well, it's kind of relevant today. I went to local coffee shop here in town. I probably mentioned it before on another podcast. I honestly can't remember but this this coffee shop I've gone into and asked them probably seven times now, eight times now. I even went there with the little bitcoin group I'm a part of and bothered them then with all eight of us ganging up on them. And yeah, they still haven't enabled Bitcoin payments on their Square POS. I don't understand why. Obviously there's something going on either with the owner, doesn't understand it, no one relayed the message to them that people are wanting it. I don't know what it is but to answer the question, I think the elevator pitch to merchants like that is the whole saving 3% to 5% on credit card fees because you could save $20, $30 a year from processing fees.
It's like why would you not want to do that? To enable that is a flick of a switch. You just push the button. You still get the fiat but you enable the user to just use their Bitcoin and totally bypass that system of processing. So that's really the first thing that comes to my mind. There might be a better reason, but from my understanding that seems to be maybe it's not a grand slam, but it's definitely a triple base hit in terms of just it's like, come on, Enable it. It's easy. Save some money. And so when they do that, is it there are no
[00:23:13] Permanerd:
there's are there any fees, do you know, for
[00:23:16] Oshi:
converting that Bitcoin to fiat if that's what they're looking for? I I don't know. If if there is, it's a it's a smaller percentage for sure versus just the regular credit card processing fee. So it's, you know, it's a win win for for both parties. I don't I just why these guys specifically the coffee shop I'm talking about just hasn't done it yet. Oh and the guy there at the counter he was an older middle aged 50s what did he say? He even told me his age, was like 51. He's like, Yeah I don't know man, I'm 51, I don't understand this stuff. And my reply was just something along the lines of saying, Well you use the internet, you're able to understand how to adapt to these things and for this specific thing I'm talking about you just put it, you flip the button and you're just saying again, you know, I'll bring it to the boss, I'll write it down. So you know what that means.
[00:24:13] Permanerd:
I don't understand Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not too far away from that number myself, and I get it's it's just a a cop out to not Mhmm. Learn, you know, you're just kind of in your in your bubble, and I I yeah. It's it's crazy to me. But there's also maybe it's also maybe Square can do a better job in
[00:24:34] Oshi:
but although, I think they made it like a standard thing. So
[00:24:38] Permanerd:
I I really don't know. Well, and that's been my pitch up here too is I haven't had an opportunity much lately, but Ted told the story about the hot dog guy, and we couldn't even find it on on the Square app as far as being able to enable it. So I don't even know if it's available up here. Okay. And it's so difficult. I mean, if you have the ear of of a business owner, you know, it's a lot easier to slow roll them into accepting Bitcoin. But as far as an elevator pitch goes, I mean, it's it's hard to condense, you know, a hundred years of a fiat system and the corruption involved and just the malfeasance of that whole setup into Mhmm. Into, you know, a thirty second elevator pitch on why you should accept Bitcoin.
[00:25:28] Oshi:
Yeah. I think what I my recommendation is what I said earlier. I I really think because business owners are thinking about how to save money usually as well as how to make more income for whatever it is that they're doing. But if they can find a way to reduce some sort of cost to them and the customer, you would think that they would want to do that but
[00:25:51] Permanerd:
you know maybe I'm just dumb here. Well no, especially with something like you said that
[00:25:56] Oshi:
is so low friction as toggling a switch or Right. Pushing a And that's why I was thinking Square could make it a bit more apparent and obvious to educate some of these business owners but I don't know. But you know I've I purchased a coffee, what was it the other month in Charlotte with Bitcoin but I was their first person to ever use it in their shop which was cool. But the use case is there, the proof is there, you just have to look in the system. Specifically talking about Square, I'm not sure what other systems are compatible.
Maybe you know. I don't know. I don't know any
[00:26:35] Permanerd:
that are already being used, know, and it's Yeah. I I know Cash App, but, you know, merchants aren't having that at checkout. Well, how many people use Square? I mean, it's gotta be millions of merchants that use Square. Millions.
[00:26:48] Oshi:
Usually, yeah, usually all the shops around here has a a little POS Square system.
[00:26:53] Permanerd:
Plus farmer's markets, plus any other Yep. Craft fairs, Christmas bazaars. Yep. Yep. So I think that is maybe the the key is just getting those the small businesses or, you know, independent people who are selling knitted scarves and and gloves
[00:27:12] Oshi:
at a farmers market to be able to to take it and then expand out? Yeah. I think I think I mean trying to think of the original question how to elevator pitch to these merchants and just everyone in general that's selling something is really maybe creating just a simple paper document or even I'm sure there's how to videos as well out there for how to enable the thing on Square but getting people to understand why and I just think the whole credit card processing fee is probably the easiest thing to understand for these guys. I really can't think of anything else that is
[00:27:49] Permanerd:
better than that. I'm sure Well, that just made me remember, there is somewhere Bitcoin brochures or something like a onboarding paperwork that you can either print off or order Mhmm. And just drop off a leaflet or something to the businesses. I don't know how many people actually read anything anymore, but it was just a Yeah. Exactly. People love video content or audio content.
[00:28:18] Unknown:
If anybody remembers what that is or has an idea as to where I was just trying to look it up,
[00:28:24] Oshi:
but I do I know Darth Coin. I know Darth Coin has a lot of PDFs and pamphlets that you can download and print. He's really great on that front. I haven't checked lately with his latest stuff that he has available, but from the last time I did check, Darthcoin, definitely
[00:28:41] Permanerd:
some, some resources there. Cool. Send us your elevator pitch for onboarding business. Because that this is a a really good topic in my opinion. And so if we can get a bunch of people sharing what their elevator pitch, maybe we can hammer something out here or at least get better ourselves at it. Yep. Definitely. So sats over bits. Thank you for your question. Provocative. Provocative. Provocative. Another thing I wanted to talk to you about was I was using WISP for a while as a Nostra client, and then it updated, and it no longer has support for seed signer or not seed signers, but signers, which I use Amber on my phone to basically log in to Nostr clients, and WISP removed it. And when I had mentioned it on Nostr, I got some responses about how UTXO web webmaster had taken had taken it out as a to make it easier to onboard people that, you know, normies or people that don't know what Nostra even is. So I've Mhmm. Kind of been struggling with why that makes it easier, and it just seems to me it's kind of like what we were just talking about with toggling a switch.
You know? Just to have that option available. I don't understand how it makes it more difficult for new people
[00:30:14] Oshi:
to use the app. Mhmm. Yeah. Just to have the option available because I don't know, it it's Nostril. You still wanna have that feature. Like you said people aren't gonna maybe understand what Nostril is but just to have it there for people that are familiar with it and want the option, mean what difference is there to just leave it. I noticed that he made the jump over to X to kind of push wisp a little bit. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with the decision making, but
[00:30:42] Permanerd:
I don't know. I think the only login option was logging in through Google or creating a new account. And I understand you know, I I definitely understand and agree with catering to to new users, but you're kind of alienating other users. Like, I don't wanna raw dog by insect into a bunch of different Yeah. Mean, it's not that I don't trust him, but I'd rather just kinda have the Amber's pretty well vetted as far as keeping your your insect safe, I think. Mhmm. Yeah.
[00:31:21] Oshi:
Are you able to use WiSP on desktop as well, or is it just a mobile? Because I've I've never used it personally. Think that it's only mobile. Oh, okay. But that's another interesting topic is with,
[00:31:33] Permanerd:
you know, for anybody that's not familiar, Nostr operates under the the same type of strategy as Bitcoin with with a cryptographic key pair. And so you end up with your NSEC, which is your secret secret code, and your NPUB, which is just your public facing hexagonal string of characters. And Yeah. Yeah. Your your NSEC is like like your seed phrase. Yeah. You need to keep that one safe. Otherwise, anybody that has that will have access. That's how you sign your notes, and and people can verify that whatever is said or done comes from comes from you. Mhmm. And so there's a couple different ways. I've only used Amber, but I know there's, like, insect bunker.
[00:32:22] Oshi:
Yeah. There's and then desktop, there's NOS two x, and then
[00:32:28] Permanerd:
Albie extension.
[00:32:29] Oshi:
Yep.
[00:32:31] Permanerd:
Yep. There's a couple. And it's so basically just kind of a key chain that doesn't allow the app to see your your secret code, but allows them to sign on your behalf.
[00:32:43] Oshi:
Yeah. I can understand why it may be confusing for people to understand because you don't really have that. You have your traditional user login and your password and you forget your password, you can just click reset and boom, like really easy. But with this stuff, you know, if you forget it, well you're SOL. There's no support team, there's no you know, guy you can go to say, hey man, remember
[00:33:09] Permanerd:
me, I'm good on it. Yeah. It's true self sovereignty. It's it's you taking control of your own your own data, your own your own keys.
[00:33:21] Unknown:
Mhmm. It's the same with Bitcoin. You lose your seed phrase, that's it. There's nobody to cry to. Yeah. It it it's it's a high degree of responsibility for sure and
[00:33:30] Oshi:
a lot of people don't really wanna take that on which I can understand but at the end of the day, it's a pretty fundamental thing just to develop you know? Yeah. And if you don't, then you are not the algorithm. Yeah. You're not in the market square. Speaking of, who who do we who are we pitching? Well, we could do
[00:33:54] Permanerd:
the the LocalBitcoiners podcast that we had mentioned before. Okay. Yeah. A shout out to those guys. If you're interested in Bitcoin and I still have yet to be able to make it to a a Bitcoin meetup, But these guys on the LocalBitcoiners podcast, they will tell you everything you need to know about starting one, and they've had some really great interview and just basically showing the the benefits of meeting with like minded people or sometimes not even like minded people in order to to create well, just to be able to create. I mean, you're you're a fairly consistent goer to Bitcoin meetups.
[00:34:41] Oshi:
So maybe you should be talking more about this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm coordinating actually the next one which is, what is today, the twenty ninth? I think next Friday, we're having one here in my town. Yeah they're cool to do. It's nice to just be around friends really. That's kind of the reason why I enjoy it is to you know have a common language to talk about and to help other people with questions you know about using their wallet because that was what I experienced the last time was helping someone use their Aqua wallet how to transact and how to switch between on chain and their lightning wallet all within Aqua.
So it's helpful educational kind of experiences and you know you have a good time with friends and network and it's a good time. I like doing them, definitely. I definitely encourage people to seek them out, try it because you never know who you meet. You may meet your new best friend or you may meet someone that could help you with a question that you've had for a long time that you couldn't find an answer on a forum because you couldn't find it exactly. Yeah definitely I am trying to think of the best way to really find them. I remember using what was it the orange pill app or something like that. Not sure if they changed their name on it but I think that's a good resource to find close meetups, groups, events.
I'm not sure what you use for finding your groups, but maybe the same thing. Yeah. The the local
[00:36:13] Permanerd:
Bitcoiners website too, they're building that out as a central hub for meet meetups. Okay. And there is a certain Nosternip that they are using or implementing, I believe, which allows and I might be talking to a school leader. I'm not sure how accurate this is. But I think if you put a Noster note and you do a a certain hashtag perhaps, that it'll automatically populate their website. And they're also doing boost too from their website. So you can go to their website and boost their show. So, yeah, they're they're putting a lot more work into their website than we are for sure.
But, yeah, good resource for and if you wanna start a a meetup, if you can't find one, then this is a great podcast. Learn how to start one. Yeah. It's cool. I'll I'll have to check that out because I haven't seen that on their website or their website in general. We should link that link that in the notes somewhere. Yeah. I'll I'll try this. Hey, Pod Home. Create a link in the show notes for local Bitcoiners website. See how that works. Nice.
[00:37:19] Oshi:
Yeah. That's perfect. That'll work. Yeah. You know what's funny is I I use the same thing with Siri because you know I use a stupid iPhone but I honestly use the the Hey Siri function to make reminders like all the time. Hey Podcast. Yeah exactly. Create the transcript.
[00:37:41] Permanerd:
Oh, another thing I meant to mention when we were doing the stats is is you can also stream stats while listening on two point o enabled podcast players. And so instead of giving one lump sum, you can put however many SATs per minute that you want to stream. And so a shout out to Loges as well as he's been streaming quite a few sats. That's super cool. I didn't realize. Yeah. It is super cool. And then also another Chad f also did streaming. So I'd like to recognize those guys and and try to incorporate that into saying thank yous.
Streaming and boosting.
[00:38:30] Oshi:
Streaming and boosting. That's the name of the episode. Streams and boosts.
[00:38:37] Permanerd:
We'd also discussed a little bit about or there's one thing about Bitcoin that is a little bit elusive to me. I mean, there's several things. And I was hoping that that that what Bitcoin does podcast would enlighten me due to the title, which was who controls Bitcoin, I think. And Mhmm. It is the the actual control of Bitcoin. And I know that Bitcoin is decentralized, but a vast majority of the code that is being run on on nodes and and miners too, I think, is by the Bitcoin core team. And I was just one The maintainers. Yeah. The maintainers and, you know, there's a GitHub for that. And but I'm just wondering what happens if that goes sideways,
[00:39:25] Oshi:
you know, like, how to prevent something Oh. Tragic. Well, it's also the miners that have to align with the consensus code. Right? Because they're the ones mining the blocks. And,
[00:39:36] Permanerd:
yeah, it there's there's some loose ends there for sure. And because if if they if they decide the core team and most people, I would guess, that are running running the the Bitcoin core would just automatically update. Mhmm. And so it kinda goes down to what they say goes with with the software
[00:39:58] Oshi:
and I know there's a big Yeah. I don't know. It's a it's a good I don't know. It's a really good like philosophical question too as to who actually you know is who's more important? I think I mean, I know the minors are actually like the ones that are are saying we support this or we support that because I don't know. I mean, whoever understands this stuff more, come on the show. Explain it to us because I think this kind of thing is important to really understand. I don't think a lot of people, especially just coming into Bitcoin, have even any idea about this stuff. Especially Bitcoin Core, Bitcoin Nots, you
[00:40:40] Permanerd:
Yeah and the history of Bitcoin is quite intriguing.
[00:40:45] Oshi:
Yeah. Like the block size wars in 2017 with enlarging the block size and this and that making it more efficient and yeah. Just Bitcoin can be confusing and I can understand why the trepidation for people to not want to definitely get it. Well,
[00:41:03] Permanerd:
the confusion for me is that or part of the confusion is that the block size wars, you know, I've listened to a couple books about that from from either side. And it was, as far as I understand it, fighting to keep the block sizes low. And then is that different than the op return sizes that Bitcoin Core has now increased? So is it kinda it almost feels like it's going back to that 2017 argument of the size of the blocks. Yeah.
[00:41:38] Oshi:
Yeah it's maybe the size but also what is actually going into the blocks you know because Bitcoin itself is a monetary network and that's how it should be used but people aren't using it only like that. They're using it to store other things of data like pictures or Blu ray rips of TV shows or whatever it may be and it's conflating as to what Bitcoin actually is. And I think that's all kind of by design. It's trying to get people confused and to not understand the true identity as to what Bitcoin is actually designed for.
So I forgot who I was listening to that was talking about the importance of or actually it was that podcast. I think it was Mechanic that was talking about it if I'm not mistaken. On you know if you confuse people about the identity of what something is then you're pretty much undermining the thing itself because people don't understand what the hell it is now.
[00:42:37] Unknown:
And I think that's this whole confusion that we're going through right now but I don't know. It's a tricky thing to navigate for sure. I'm still trying to navigate it myself but I try not to get too caught up in it as well. There's the dilemma that you know you say that it is a monetary you know it's a type of money. And then there's the philosophy that, you know, it's Bitcoin's not just for your your friends, but it's also for your enemies.
[00:43:07] Permanerd:
And Right. Then is there is there really a moral dilemma if somebody uses it in a in a way that you're not comfortable with? You know, if it's Mhmm. If it's possible to use it that way? It's kinda like loopholes in IRS tax codes or, you know, like, it's there's a thousand books on taxes, but there's 10 pages that tell you how not to pay your taxes or something like that. You know, like, it's they're
[00:43:34] Oshi:
Mhmm. It's the the system and and how you use it. So is it wrong to do those things if it's possible to do them? Yeah. I mean that goes with so many other things right? Literally everything else. You could I don't know I think I made the analogy before but you know it's like a knife. You can either kill someone with the knife or you can use the same knife and I don't know carve a beautiful table. It's all about the user's Or spread hot. Or you can spread hot butter with the knife. So it's really the user's intent at the end of the day. Especially if it's a technology like this and it has some sort of utility and value then you know people are going to try and use it for malicious things but it doesn't taint the thing itself. It's you you could talk about cars, know people drive cars and you know purposely hit people unfortunately.
But it gets people to work at the same time. So I don't know, I don't really understand so much of this stuff to be honest but I just reduce it down to its most simple things like that and I really think it's gonna solve itself because really when it comes down to it, I don't think there's any other solution than Bitcoin right now as far as I'm concerned. Maybe there is another project being built but I think Bitcoin will I mean just like in 2017 when it was going through all that stuff, we are going through it again.
So it'll sort itself out I think. It has to. The the philosophy
[00:45:08] Permanerd:
of Bitcoin. Yeah. So everybody has their own ideas about what it should be and what it can be and what it does and what it doesn't do. Yeah. That's the beauty of it. You can use it in like a whole variety of ways.
[00:45:23] Oshi:
You know? I think Jack Mollers talks about how, you know, it's property. You're gonna tell me how to use my oven. You're gonna tell me how to use my house, it's mine. I could do what I wish with it. And Bitcoin is kind of the same thing. Whole variety of ways to use it, it's not just one way. Which introduces a lot of problems like this, which is good. You know it's good to have discussions about it and to encounter things with it to make it stronger because just think of nature, that's just how nature works.
Bitcoin, the technology itself is I think that the you know the design itself is sound. It's still working and yeah. No rambling on. No. If
[00:46:02] Permanerd:
yeah. I guess I the more that the more we talk about it, the less I understand. You know? Or the more I realize how much I don't I don't understand. And that's another problem is that Yeah. You know, if you bring up Bitcoin and then then people, like, assume that you're an expert in it Mhmm. Which I am certainly not. You know, I know more than the average Joe, but I'm always learning, you know, just like with everything else. Definitely. You gotta just keep keep learning. But like we talked about before, you don't have to. Like, it it you can use it without without knowing everything about it. Mhmm. Yeah. People don't know how their credit cards work. They don't know how the SWIFT system works. I don't fully understand it, but, you know, I use the credit card every single day, unfortunately. But If I was to so I've got It is what it is. My Bitcoin, and it is in my wallet. Can I add things to that Bitcoin, or how does that even work? Like, I I don't even know how, like, ordinals and stuff like that or adding more information into an op return.
[00:47:08] Oshi:
Don't know. I've never done it myself. Yeah. That's I've never I've honestly never been interested in that. I don't know. Yeah.
[00:47:16] Permanerd:
Just fundamental questions on how it actually like, data is added to Mhmm. To I mean, I I guess it's just it didn't it's gotta be in transactional data somewhere. I mean, the op return must just be a a field within the JSON or whatever, however the the data is transmitted, and then you just throw it in there. Alright. Somebody somebody stop us here and
[00:47:41] Oshi:
Yeah. Eric f j if he's out there.
[00:47:45] Unknown:
Eric. Eric. Cue us in.
[00:47:48] Oshi:
Eric. Teach us. Yeah. It gets murky,
[00:47:52] Unknown:
but that's And,
[00:47:53] Permanerd:
I mean, that's it's not boring. That's for sure.
[00:47:57] Oshi:
Definitely not. It's a rabbit hole. You can go as deep or shallow as you want. I'm probably knee deep.
[00:48:03] Permanerd:
That's pretty cool. In the rock. But at least I got my feet in there. Yeah. I'm not really sure why. Maybe I'm similar at the knee. I mean, I've more than dipped my toe in. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, we're running nodes.
[00:48:16] Oshi:
We're on Noster.
[00:48:18] Permanerd:
You know, so far so good. I mean, we're pretty much geniuses.
[00:48:21] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, hell, we should start teaching That's a great idea. Let's start one. What should we call it?
[00:48:30] Permanerd:
Boring Bitcoin talk. Talk. BBT.
[00:48:39] Oshi:
It's called we wish we knew. Right.
[00:48:44] Permanerd:
Or just tell somebody talk to us.
[00:48:47] Oshi:
Email us. Email us.
[00:48:52] Permanerd:
Alright. Do you have anything else you wanted to discuss?
[00:48:58] Oshi:
Well, that was a good one. A good on there. I don't think so. Nothing really comes to mind right now. I think the main thing I wanted to touch on was the whole coffee shop thing. It was just really annoying. Such a bummer. We gotta get more people turning that on.
[00:49:15] Permanerd:
Hopefully, next episode, we'll have some more positive news on that. Is that that's old is that the Square app or is that Stripe Stripe as well? There's
[00:49:24] Unknown:
Square. So maybe that is the takeaway. Just just hammer square people. Yeah. Print out some pamphlets,
[00:49:33] Oshi:
maybe make some video content to share if you know the owner and you really care and you wanna make a minute long tutorial on how to turn it on for them. Yeah. You gotta be creative, I guess. But, you know, it'll come in time I guess. You gotta cram it in their head. I'm trying to think what else though other than new stuff. I think Oshi Shop. Butter's in stock. I think there's maybe one more day of the pre the preorder thing for the t shirt I'm doing. So jump on that. I'm not gonna print it again. One and done kind of thing.
I think that's it for me. Oh, got a new batch of Bitcoin Bean stuff since I'm taking care of his shipping stuff here in in The United States for the most part. Expect some new product dropping. So it's pretty good. Pretty good chocolate bars too, but I'll let him announce Exciting.
[00:50:33] Permanerd:
Yeah. Yeah. You can find all of that at oshigood.us.
[00:50:36] Oshi:
Oshigood.us.com. Hey. That was in key.
[00:50:45] Permanerd:
And Oster only. Yeah. You can find Are you in stock of things? Except for comfrey sav. But everything else And I think I only have one pineapple left. And that's at satsthenumber4snacks.com. And I would feel remiss without giving a takemysats.com shout out to our friend, Polish, just for fun.
[00:51:10] Oshi:
Yeah. Honestly, takemysats.com. Great for onboarding if you got something to sell, you wanna set up a website, but you don't know how to link your Bitcoin or whatever to it. This is your site. What's the website? Takemystatsdot.
[00:51:27] Permanerd:
And you know what? There's every day, it seems like there's a new vendor on there. So whatever you're looking for, check it out. Yep. If there's a spot for a promo code, use the promo code YADA. Use it on everything. Wherever you buy, just put it in there just for Thanks for thanks for the reminder, actually. YADA,
[00:51:45] Oshi:
have it as a discount code. So put it in. Put it in. I sent out an order to read
[00:51:50] Permanerd:
yesterday and he had put in Yada into into Nice. I don't have a code but I sent him something special.
[00:51:58] Oshi:
Cool. I actually had someone do that too the other day for the pre shirt order. I can't remember who it was but shout out you. Thank you. And
[00:52:05] Permanerd:
make sure that you keep your eye on your mail too. Oh, shoot. There's something heading your way. Oh, yeah. True. It makes it through customs, we should be good. Oh, gosh. Fingers crossed. They like to go through everything. Alright. Well, thank you for listening. Make sure that you let us know how we're doing. Good, bad, ugly. Any questions? Somewhere in between. Answering questions, give us some feedback. And remember that this is your life and you are the algorithm.
Hello, and welcome to the YADA podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and I am joined today by my good friend and the person that you're all here to listen to, mister Huddlebutter himself, Oshi. How you doing, Oshi?
[00:00:35] Oshi:
What's up, dude? Did you like my little Beatles record? I did. Do you recognize what that song is? I
[00:00:40] Permanerd:
did not. I wasn't got a drink of water to be honest with you. I forgot the name of it. Okay. Question for you. Do you know what song that is?
[00:00:52] Oshi:
I'm so glad that she's not what is that one? I Feel Fine? Yeah. I Feel Fine.
[00:00:59] Permanerd:
Classic. And luckily, we're not on YouTube, so we won't get a strike for using copyrighted True. It's obscured enough. You can't tell. That's right. Beatles is spelled b e t t l.
[00:01:13] Unknown:
Two e's. Yeah.
[00:01:15] Permanerd:
So what's new with you, man?
[00:01:18] Oshi:
Gosh. There's always something going on. Just got back from being with a a fellow guy at the coffee shop. We'll talk about it later though. But, you know, she's getting stuff done. Lay laying a bunch of mulch down. It's getting hot as balls here, but, you know, it's good to sweat, you know.
[00:01:37] Permanerd:
Yeah. They say that sweating is good for you.
[00:01:40] Oshi:
It's hard work though. It's your skin skin's your third kidney. Right?
[00:01:44] Permanerd:
Third kidney. You have two kidneys? Nice. Lucky. Humble humble break. Still. Yeah. I've just been doing a lot of baseball still around here. I actually had my first confrontation, you might say, or Mhmm. Had a a parent yelling at me from the from the sidelines during our game last night. So that was fun.
[00:02:13] Oshi:
Wait. Yeah. So what what did happen there?
[00:02:15] Permanerd:
Oh, he just his kid was playing center field and was just watching watching balls roll past. And and I I, you know, I just told this kid that that, you know, that's his ball to back up. You gotta back up the the left fielder. Mhmm. Right? And if it goes past him, just just be moving. That's all I'm trying to instill in these kids is, like, just hustle. Hustle and and Yeah. And Work. Yeah. Move towards the ball, but a lot of them just don't want to do that. And then because I and I I was like, hey. You know, you got to you gotta back him up, you know, run over there.
And then his Mhmm. Dad started yelling at it. That wasn't even his ball. Blah blah blah blah. No. No. And so I went over and talked to him. It turns out that that wasn't the first one that he's decided to yell at from the sidelines.
[00:03:06] Oshi:
No. He's just one of those guys.
[00:03:09] Permanerd:
I guess so. Yeah. I I mean, I've tried to be nice to him at practices, and I was nice to him. I think it it I definitely took a breath before I went and talked to him because otherwise, it would have probably ended a lot poorer than it did. Yeah.
[00:03:22] Oshi:
Yeah. Baseball can get aggressive, man, especially with the parents involved. It is. And this is the first time that
[00:03:28] Permanerd:
that I've had to deal with it. So I was kinda I was struggling with it a bit last night. You know, you kinda question yourself. And like everything else, you know, I'm pretty new to coaching, and and there's always that that time of, impostor syndrome Mhmm. You know, and and self doubt. Anytime you start a career, do anything new, there's that period. So it's it's it's good to, you know, to reflect on that and then, you know, just build from it and realize, okay. Like, you know, there I might have had a part to play in in whatever happens, but you can't control other people as well and just try to get better. That's right. That's that's the mindset. Good on you. Yeah. So that was that was good. I I I mean, they're they're talking about, you know, like, suspending him from games and stuff like that. But Oh, really? The parent? Yeah.
[00:04:19] Unknown:
Wow.
[00:04:21] Permanerd:
So, I mean, there's a there's a You have a zero tolerance for yelling at coaches or referees
[00:04:28] Oshi:
or umpires. Especially when the kids are, you know, seven. It's like this isn't MLB,
[00:04:33] Permanerd:
brother. But it also comes down to, like, you know, I don't necessarily want parents to get thrown out. And I don't want I don't know. It it's a it's a it's a weird weird thing. You know? I don't want other people fighting my battles, but it comes down to Mhmm. It's not my place as a coach on this team to decide what happens in that situation. Mhmm. You know? But it just feels also like I'm not you know, I didn't even tell anybody about it. Somebody came and asked me about it. And, you know, I'm not trying to throw the guy under the bus, but also, like, get a grip. Mhmm. Yeah.
Well, you gotta get that kid to pick up the balls now. Yeah. I mean, he's a good kid, but you gotta, like, move. Just move. That's all. Just move. Even, like, one step. We'll start with one step. Glove down. Glove down. Yeah. That's probably enough baseball drama talk. Let's get into the numbers. Let's do it. This podcast is a value for value podcast, which just means that it's here. Do what you will with it. And any sort of value that you feel like you got, send it back in any way you can, whether that is a note on Noster or an email to say hi@youarethealgo.com, which is still a very, very lonely email address.
Or my personal favorite, you can send a boost through any two point or podcasting two point o enabled app, which allows you to send Bitcoin in any denomination that you wish and attach a note to it. And so we usually read those at the beginning here and thank the people that are contributing back. And so the first boost is five five five from progressively worse at fountain.fm. Great news. It is. Yeah. I think it's the first time we've seen seen their name here too. And that was for last episode, which was titled Normie optimization.
And the message is make shekels great again. So I agree. The next boost is $10.33 sats from Jim Sievert. I'm pretty sure I got Yeah. It He's making a a name for himself here. He's pretty consistent with these, and we appreciate it, Jim. And his message is introducing hashtag permacultures permaculture to hashtag normies should be enlightening for many as much as introducing them to Noster. Permaculture, like hashtag Noster, finds hashtag abundance on the hashtag edge, hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grow Noster.
Nice. Yeah. There's a a it's interesting how there's an overlay kind of between permaculture and Bitcoin and Noster and and just health in general.
[00:07:27] Oshi:
Yeah. We should we should talk more about the permaculture stuff because honestly I don't know too much from it. So Okay. Yeah. Maybe we'll make a note of that and
[00:07:37] Permanerd:
we can have a section or something. And if you're listening, well, if you're not listening, then you can't hear this anyway, so that's a bit redundant. But, send a a message. If you have any questions about about permaculture or just growing plants in general, hit us up. Best practices? Yeah. Just any philosophies, concepts, whatever. The next boost is 300 from our good friend, Palmyra, from Fountain as well. And it says, and Bitcoin marches on. Yes. Permanent ate a rat, question mark? What? LOL? Okay. I ate a flying roach in Thailand.
And then it's a Tuttle Twins for kids, and there's a bunch of emojis scattered about in here, which is kinda fun. The Tuttle Twins is interesting. I haven't I've looked into it. I'd I need to look into it more, but they're it's a as far as I know, it's a cartoon for kids that touches on subjects that are important life lessons and, you know, like the how the Fed works and and just how the the government works and stuff like that, I believe.
[00:08:52] Oshi:
Really? So Anyway, I wish I got that in school. I know. Yeah. Exactly. I just got your
[00:08:59] Permanerd:
your standard brainwashing.
[00:09:01] Oshi:
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I I think it's helpful to learn that stuff early on. But, you know, how else are you gonna become a cog? Yep. Right. Exactly.
[00:09:11] Unknown:
The
[00:09:13] Permanerd:
next boost is 250 sats from sats over bits. And that's from Fountain as well. And we're definitely gonna come back to this question later, but this says, first time listener, great episode. Thank you. Question for you both. Thank you. Since you run since since you run a Bitcoin based business, what is your go to elevator pitch to a business on why they should accept Bitcoin? I feel like mine is not compelling enough, l o l. Mhmm. So, Sats Yeah. It's a great question. Is really good question, and we're gonna discuss it in a little bit. And I'll there's a a preview. Mine sucks too.
The next boost is a 111 sats from our good friend bullish clips on Fountain. Bullish. And it's hashtag takemysats.com with an exclamation point. Takemysats.dotcom.
[00:10:11] Oshi:
Takethem.dotcom. We need the echo.dotcom.dotcom.
[00:10:16] Permanerd:
And the next boost is 420 sats from undisciplined. And it says an annoying part of listening to your own pods is noticing your own bad speech patterns.
[00:10:31] Oshi:
Yeah. You gotta learn somehow. Those likes and ums, those filler words, you gotta reduce them.
[00:10:38] Permanerd:
And just being cognizant during the day while speaking. You know, I I
[00:10:43] Oshi:
mentally punch myself in the brain every time I say an Me too. When I catch it. Yeah. I think we're we're far ahead of other people though, I will probably confidently say. You know, I hear the conversations with people having in the coffee shops using likes every other word. It's pretty insane, but, you know, to each their own, I guess. It is, but it's also it's mentally draining
[00:11:09] Permanerd:
to just hear that all the time. It is. Definitely agree. And especially starting a sentence with you just get to the point. Yeah. Exactly. What's
[00:11:24] Oshi:
your question? Yeah. I mean, I I catch myself doing it. I'm gonna try and not do it this episode.
[00:11:30] Permanerd:
We'll see. Well, you are getting much better than from the first episode. Yeah. It's a good practice. I think I think it's good that we do this. This is episode number eight, so that's cool. Oh, shit. Back to a round number. Is that a round number? I guess so. It's about as round as they come, I think. Yeah. There's two round circles. Right? That's right. And One on top of the show? Standing on its head. There you everybody. It's always humbling to get anyone listening, so that's that's nice. Yeah. Send send more questions. Those are awesome. And then the next part that we like to go over is the stats from podhome.fm, which is where we we host this podcast.
And right now, we we passed the 4,000 all time downloads. We're at 4,114. Super. Yeah. That's that's a lot of fun. And then so the last episode titled Normie optimization has gotten 349 downloads so far. And then That one dropped off compared to the other ones. Yeah. It was a bit a bit slower. It started off pretty slow. It's it's interesting because you kinda try to pick up trends.
[00:12:51] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:12:51] Permanerd:
And then
[00:12:53] Oshi:
one of all. No. Okay.
[00:12:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. And that's something I've been contemplating too is whether it's the name of the episode or what what gets people wanting to listen or our numbers just dropping off in general. Is it boring? I don't know what it's kind of a question that we have to have other people answer for us. But if people stop listening, then they're probably not gonna send in a response. So that's Yeah. Well, we're we're getting, you
[00:13:22] Oshi:
know, repeat people coming in. So we'll just keep going. Just keep having fun. Oh, yeah. Well, that's the the main point.
[00:13:31] Unknown:
Having fun and disseminating information. Maybe I just need to riff more.
[00:13:36] Permanerd:
Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. I'm down. So then the next two episodes after that were four seventy three and five ninety seven. And our all time high is 778 downloads, and that was from Abominable Farewell. So maybe people thought Abominable. From the title that we were leaving, so they stopped listening. Either that or we just angered Chad f so much during that episode that he he pulled his posse with him. Sorry, Chad. Sorry, Chad. Oh, and and as far as the top 20 podcast players and websites, Apple Podcast is at 39.16, and Domus is at 38.25.
So it's almost the same, and we still don't know how it's how it's happening. Yeah.
[00:14:30] Oshi:
Yeah. I I really have no idea.
[00:14:34] Permanerd:
And 7593 are Apple phone. 999
[00:14:40] Unknown:
is Android phone. And I'm a contributor. Still. Still.
[00:14:46] Oshi:
Yep.
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And The United States is by far the the highest listening country followed by Canada and then United Kingdom. And now at the bottom, we've got, I think, a couple new ones, South Africa and Ethiopia.
[00:15:01] Oshi:
Ethiopia.
[00:15:02] Permanerd:
What's going on there lately? Yeah. It's a good question. I'm pretty sure that Ethiopia was the only country in Africa that wasn't colonized by Europe. Is that true? That's think so. Due to its geographic location, it's kind of up on a a plateau or something like that. I think I wrote a paper about it once, but I'm too not smart to remember anything I did in the past. So
[00:15:24] Oshi:
I'll I'll trust you on that one.
[00:15:26] Permanerd:
If you're listening from any of these these countries, shoot us a message. Let us know. And I wonder, maybe they're all VPNs, but I I don't know, an Ethiopian VPN.
[00:15:37] Oshi:
Do you use a VPN?
[00:15:39] Unknown:
I do for some things. Yeah. What do you use?
[00:15:42] Permanerd:
I have I pay for Proton, and so I Oh, okay. Yeah. With that, I get my mail and a VPN.
[00:15:50] Oshi:
Yeah. I use Obscura,
[00:15:52] Unknown:
which I I quite enjoy using. Is that one of Top it off with Lightning. Yeah. Okay. That is the nice. Mhmm.
[00:15:59] Permanerd:
There's actually some there's a a new,
[00:16:04] Oshi:
Nostr NostrVPN? Yeah. I saw that. I I tried it. It wasn't really working for me, though, but maybe I'm just too dumb to figure it out. Yeah. But you could play the guitar, though.
[00:16:15] Permanerd:
Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. I would like to give Nostra VPN a try. It's it's tough to find time to do all these things that I want to do. Mhmm. Yeah. If anyone else out there has, tried it, let us know. Yeah. Or anything else that that, is interesting technology wise that involves, I mean, anything but especially Nostr or Bitcoin.
[00:16:41] Oshi:
Yeah. I I love seeing it though. I think it's so cool. It really is. I don't even fully understand
[00:16:46] Permanerd:
how it works. I mean, creating a VPN through Nostr nodes, I guess. Yeah. And, like, the relays and stuff? Yeah. The relays. Right? I really don't know. I wish I knew. Well, that's like we were talking about the we had a a question before about what we thought of of BIP one ten, and we we both listened to the What Bitcoin Did podcast, which if you're interested in Bitcoin, you should check out that podcast as well. And they had Bitcoin Mechanic on it, he was he was talking about it. And
[00:17:19] Oshi:
it's it's above my pay grade still for sure. Little bit. Yeah. Little bit for me too. But it's basically the whole op return thing at using, you know, the Bitcoin blockchain as a way of just storing data instead of using it primarily as a means of monetary network. Which I don't know, I agree with it. It's it's supposed to be used as a monetary network not a place to store your Blu ray rips. Right. Right. There are other technologies
[00:17:49] Permanerd:
that are more
[00:17:51] Oshi:
attuned to that type of thing. Yeah. Use, you know, smoking fish, chicken fish coin or something. What's the name of it? Smoking I can't remember. That's an actual real coin. I'm sure.
[00:18:05] Permanerd:
So those are all the stats from from Pod Home. And then the last thing we'd like to go over is the the Lycum jar Oh. Which Let's go. Let's run it. Which is just a way for us to keep ourselves accountable for our speech patterns. And for episode seven, for Oshi, you had 4,320 words and 23 fillers, and that's 11 ums and 12 likes for a percentage of point nine seven. Nice one. Okay. And for some reason, I had considerably more words, 6,520, and that is 18 fillers with two ums and 16 likes. So I out I outlaid you that episode.
Wow. No way. That's, like, so amazing. Wow.
[00:19:01] Oshi:
It made my day.
[00:19:04] Permanerd:
Oh, and while I'm remembering, I'd like to also give a shout out to the LocalBitcoiners podcast with Rev Hoddle and Reed. They are listeners to this podcast, and they started about the same time that that we did actually, and that is a a really high signal podcast.
[00:19:28] Oshi:
Yeah. Definitely. Big respect.
[00:19:31] Permanerd:
Yeah. Just all around good dudes.
[00:19:35] Oshi:
So you you Yeah. Rev Hoddle's another, like, permaculture guy. I always see him on his post on Monster.
[00:19:41] Permanerd:
He is. Absolutely. Yeah. The that's why it always confuses me when when people are talking about how it's only Bitcoin Bros and, you know, an Oster's just for an echo chamber for Bitcoin and but there it's Mhmm. Yeah. There's just there's so much good content.
[00:20:02] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. A lot of just, you know, people making stuff with their hands and definitely a lot of artists and yeah. It's just you gotta find them. That's the thing. You gotta create your own algorithm. Know? You're not fed the thing. And you can't expect a 100,000 follows. I think people are stuck on that. But there's also, take into account, there's maybe a 100 people using Noster in a given day. If that. Yeah. There's gotta be more. There's gotta be more. I really I honestly wonder what the actual numbers are because I don't know if I trust some of these numbers but yeah. Sometimes for me it feels like there's literally 30 people.
But I like that, know, it's the town square. It's what was the analogy you made on one of the other episodes? Cheers. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:20:50] Permanerd:
Everyone knows your name kinda thing. And it is Cool. It's again, like I said with the local Bitcoiners, it's it's high signal. You know, there's a lot of there can be some garbage, but it's easy to filter it out too. Sure. Yeah. I mean, you're gonna find that everywhere, but it's definitely less here. And like you said, you can you can filter it out for sure. Do you have, another rift to play us out of the the stats section?
[00:21:15] Oshi:
Let me see here. Good? Perfect.
[00:21:24] Permanerd:
So if you're keen, I'd be interested to hear your take on the question from earlier from Sats over Bits about your elevator pitch on why businesses should accept Bitcoin.
[00:21:39] Oshi:
Yeah. Well, it's kind of relevant today. I went to local coffee shop here in town. I probably mentioned it before on another podcast. I honestly can't remember but this this coffee shop I've gone into and asked them probably seven times now, eight times now. I even went there with the little bitcoin group I'm a part of and bothered them then with all eight of us ganging up on them. And yeah, they still haven't enabled Bitcoin payments on their Square POS. I don't understand why. Obviously there's something going on either with the owner, doesn't understand it, no one relayed the message to them that people are wanting it. I don't know what it is but to answer the question, I think the elevator pitch to merchants like that is the whole saving 3% to 5% on credit card fees because you could save $20, $30 a year from processing fees.
It's like why would you not want to do that? To enable that is a flick of a switch. You just push the button. You still get the fiat but you enable the user to just use their Bitcoin and totally bypass that system of processing. So that's really the first thing that comes to my mind. There might be a better reason, but from my understanding that seems to be maybe it's not a grand slam, but it's definitely a triple base hit in terms of just it's like, come on, Enable it. It's easy. Save some money. And so when they do that, is it there are no
[00:23:13] Permanerd:
there's are there any fees, do you know, for
[00:23:16] Oshi:
converting that Bitcoin to fiat if that's what they're looking for? I I don't know. If if there is, it's a it's a smaller percentage for sure versus just the regular credit card processing fee. So it's, you know, it's a win win for for both parties. I don't I just why these guys specifically the coffee shop I'm talking about just hasn't done it yet. Oh and the guy there at the counter he was an older middle aged 50s what did he say? He even told me his age, was like 51. He's like, Yeah I don't know man, I'm 51, I don't understand this stuff. And my reply was just something along the lines of saying, Well you use the internet, you're able to understand how to adapt to these things and for this specific thing I'm talking about you just put it, you flip the button and you're just saying again, you know, I'll bring it to the boss, I'll write it down. So you know what that means.
[00:24:13] Permanerd:
I don't understand Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not too far away from that number myself, and I get it's it's just a a cop out to not Mhmm. Learn, you know, you're just kind of in your in your bubble, and I I yeah. It's it's crazy to me. But there's also maybe it's also maybe Square can do a better job in
[00:24:34] Oshi:
but although, I think they made it like a standard thing. So
[00:24:38] Permanerd:
I I really don't know. Well, and that's been my pitch up here too is I haven't had an opportunity much lately, but Ted told the story about the hot dog guy, and we couldn't even find it on on the Square app as far as being able to enable it. So I don't even know if it's available up here. Okay. And it's so difficult. I mean, if you have the ear of of a business owner, you know, it's a lot easier to slow roll them into accepting Bitcoin. But as far as an elevator pitch goes, I mean, it's it's hard to condense, you know, a hundred years of a fiat system and the corruption involved and just the malfeasance of that whole setup into Mhmm. Into, you know, a thirty second elevator pitch on why you should accept Bitcoin.
[00:25:28] Oshi:
Yeah. I think what I my recommendation is what I said earlier. I I really think because business owners are thinking about how to save money usually as well as how to make more income for whatever it is that they're doing. But if they can find a way to reduce some sort of cost to them and the customer, you would think that they would want to do that but
[00:25:51] Permanerd:
you know maybe I'm just dumb here. Well no, especially with something like you said that
[00:25:56] Oshi:
is so low friction as toggling a switch or Right. Pushing a And that's why I was thinking Square could make it a bit more apparent and obvious to educate some of these business owners but I don't know. But you know I've I purchased a coffee, what was it the other month in Charlotte with Bitcoin but I was their first person to ever use it in their shop which was cool. But the use case is there, the proof is there, you just have to look in the system. Specifically talking about Square, I'm not sure what other systems are compatible.
Maybe you know. I don't know. I don't know any
[00:26:35] Permanerd:
that are already being used, know, and it's Yeah. I I know Cash App, but, you know, merchants aren't having that at checkout. Well, how many people use Square? I mean, it's gotta be millions of merchants that use Square. Millions.
[00:26:48] Oshi:
Usually, yeah, usually all the shops around here has a a little POS Square system.
[00:26:53] Permanerd:
Plus farmer's markets, plus any other Yep. Craft fairs, Christmas bazaars. Yep. Yep. So I think that is maybe the the key is just getting those the small businesses or, you know, independent people who are selling knitted scarves and and gloves
[00:27:12] Oshi:
at a farmers market to be able to to take it and then expand out? Yeah. I think I think I mean trying to think of the original question how to elevator pitch to these merchants and just everyone in general that's selling something is really maybe creating just a simple paper document or even I'm sure there's how to videos as well out there for how to enable the thing on Square but getting people to understand why and I just think the whole credit card processing fee is probably the easiest thing to understand for these guys. I really can't think of anything else that is
[00:27:49] Permanerd:
better than that. I'm sure Well, that just made me remember, there is somewhere Bitcoin brochures or something like a onboarding paperwork that you can either print off or order Mhmm. And just drop off a leaflet or something to the businesses. I don't know how many people actually read anything anymore, but it was just a Yeah. Exactly. People love video content or audio content.
[00:28:18] Unknown:
If anybody remembers what that is or has an idea as to where I was just trying to look it up,
[00:28:24] Oshi:
but I do I know Darth Coin. I know Darth Coin has a lot of PDFs and pamphlets that you can download and print. He's really great on that front. I haven't checked lately with his latest stuff that he has available, but from the last time I did check, Darthcoin, definitely
[00:28:41] Permanerd:
some, some resources there. Cool. Send us your elevator pitch for onboarding business. Because that this is a a really good topic in my opinion. And so if we can get a bunch of people sharing what their elevator pitch, maybe we can hammer something out here or at least get better ourselves at it. Yep. Definitely. So sats over bits. Thank you for your question. Provocative. Provocative. Provocative. Another thing I wanted to talk to you about was I was using WISP for a while as a Nostra client, and then it updated, and it no longer has support for seed signer or not seed signers, but signers, which I use Amber on my phone to basically log in to Nostr clients, and WISP removed it. And when I had mentioned it on Nostr, I got some responses about how UTXO web webmaster had taken had taken it out as a to make it easier to onboard people that, you know, normies or people that don't know what Nostra even is. So I've Mhmm. Kind of been struggling with why that makes it easier, and it just seems to me it's kind of like what we were just talking about with toggling a switch.
You know? Just to have that option available. I don't understand how it makes it more difficult for new people
[00:30:14] Oshi:
to use the app. Mhmm. Yeah. Just to have the option available because I don't know, it it's Nostril. You still wanna have that feature. Like you said people aren't gonna maybe understand what Nostril is but just to have it there for people that are familiar with it and want the option, mean what difference is there to just leave it. I noticed that he made the jump over to X to kind of push wisp a little bit. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with the decision making, but
[00:30:42] Permanerd:
I don't know. I think the only login option was logging in through Google or creating a new account. And I understand you know, I I definitely understand and agree with catering to to new users, but you're kind of alienating other users. Like, I don't wanna raw dog by insect into a bunch of different Yeah. Mean, it's not that I don't trust him, but I'd rather just kinda have the Amber's pretty well vetted as far as keeping your your insect safe, I think. Mhmm. Yeah.
[00:31:21] Oshi:
Are you able to use WiSP on desktop as well, or is it just a mobile? Because I've I've never used it personally. Think that it's only mobile. Oh, okay. But that's another interesting topic is with,
[00:31:33] Permanerd:
you know, for anybody that's not familiar, Nostr operates under the the same type of strategy as Bitcoin with with a cryptographic key pair. And so you end up with your NSEC, which is your secret secret code, and your NPUB, which is just your public facing hexagonal string of characters. And Yeah. Yeah. Your your NSEC is like like your seed phrase. Yeah. You need to keep that one safe. Otherwise, anybody that has that will have access. That's how you sign your notes, and and people can verify that whatever is said or done comes from comes from you. Mhmm. And so there's a couple different ways. I've only used Amber, but I know there's, like, insect bunker.
[00:32:22] Oshi:
Yeah. There's and then desktop, there's NOS two x, and then
[00:32:28] Permanerd:
Albie extension.
[00:32:29] Oshi:
Yep.
[00:32:31] Permanerd:
Yep. There's a couple. And it's so basically just kind of a key chain that doesn't allow the app to see your your secret code, but allows them to sign on your behalf.
[00:32:43] Oshi:
Yeah. I can understand why it may be confusing for people to understand because you don't really have that. You have your traditional user login and your password and you forget your password, you can just click reset and boom, like really easy. But with this stuff, you know, if you forget it, well you're SOL. There's no support team, there's no you know, guy you can go to say, hey man, remember
[00:33:09] Permanerd:
me, I'm good on it. Yeah. It's true self sovereignty. It's it's you taking control of your own your own data, your own your own keys.
[00:33:21] Unknown:
Mhmm. It's the same with Bitcoin. You lose your seed phrase, that's it. There's nobody to cry to. Yeah. It it it's it's a high degree of responsibility for sure and
[00:33:30] Oshi:
a lot of people don't really wanna take that on which I can understand but at the end of the day, it's a pretty fundamental thing just to develop you know? Yeah. And if you don't, then you are not the algorithm. Yeah. You're not in the market square. Speaking of, who who do we who are we pitching? Well, we could do
[00:33:54] Permanerd:
the the LocalBitcoiners podcast that we had mentioned before. Okay. Yeah. A shout out to those guys. If you're interested in Bitcoin and I still have yet to be able to make it to a a Bitcoin meetup, But these guys on the LocalBitcoiners podcast, they will tell you everything you need to know about starting one, and they've had some really great interview and just basically showing the the benefits of meeting with like minded people or sometimes not even like minded people in order to to create well, just to be able to create. I mean, you're you're a fairly consistent goer to Bitcoin meetups.
[00:34:41] Oshi:
So maybe you should be talking more about this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm coordinating actually the next one which is, what is today, the twenty ninth? I think next Friday, we're having one here in my town. Yeah they're cool to do. It's nice to just be around friends really. That's kind of the reason why I enjoy it is to you know have a common language to talk about and to help other people with questions you know about using their wallet because that was what I experienced the last time was helping someone use their Aqua wallet how to transact and how to switch between on chain and their lightning wallet all within Aqua.
So it's helpful educational kind of experiences and you know you have a good time with friends and network and it's a good time. I like doing them, definitely. I definitely encourage people to seek them out, try it because you never know who you meet. You may meet your new best friend or you may meet someone that could help you with a question that you've had for a long time that you couldn't find an answer on a forum because you couldn't find it exactly. Yeah definitely I am trying to think of the best way to really find them. I remember using what was it the orange pill app or something like that. Not sure if they changed their name on it but I think that's a good resource to find close meetups, groups, events.
I'm not sure what you use for finding your groups, but maybe the same thing. Yeah. The the local
[00:36:13] Permanerd:
Bitcoiners website too, they're building that out as a central hub for meet meetups. Okay. And there is a certain Nosternip that they are using or implementing, I believe, which allows and I might be talking to a school leader. I'm not sure how accurate this is. But I think if you put a Noster note and you do a a certain hashtag perhaps, that it'll automatically populate their website. And they're also doing boost too from their website. So you can go to their website and boost their show. So, yeah, they're they're putting a lot more work into their website than we are for sure.
But, yeah, good resource for and if you wanna start a a meetup, if you can't find one, then this is a great podcast. Learn how to start one. Yeah. It's cool. I'll I'll have to check that out because I haven't seen that on their website or their website in general. We should link that link that in the notes somewhere. Yeah. I'll I'll try this. Hey, Pod Home. Create a link in the show notes for local Bitcoiners website. See how that works. Nice.
[00:37:19] Oshi:
Yeah. That's perfect. That'll work. Yeah. You know what's funny is I I use the same thing with Siri because you know I use a stupid iPhone but I honestly use the the Hey Siri function to make reminders like all the time. Hey Podcast. Yeah exactly. Create the transcript.
[00:37:41] Permanerd:
Oh, another thing I meant to mention when we were doing the stats is is you can also stream stats while listening on two point o enabled podcast players. And so instead of giving one lump sum, you can put however many SATs per minute that you want to stream. And so a shout out to Loges as well as he's been streaming quite a few sats. That's super cool. I didn't realize. Yeah. It is super cool. And then also another Chad f also did streaming. So I'd like to recognize those guys and and try to incorporate that into saying thank yous.
Streaming and boosting.
[00:38:30] Oshi:
Streaming and boosting. That's the name of the episode. Streams and boosts.
[00:38:37] Permanerd:
We'd also discussed a little bit about or there's one thing about Bitcoin that is a little bit elusive to me. I mean, there's several things. And I was hoping that that that what Bitcoin does podcast would enlighten me due to the title, which was who controls Bitcoin, I think. And Mhmm. It is the the actual control of Bitcoin. And I know that Bitcoin is decentralized, but a vast majority of the code that is being run on on nodes and and miners too, I think, is by the Bitcoin core team. And I was just one The maintainers. Yeah. The maintainers and, you know, there's a GitHub for that. And but I'm just wondering what happens if that goes sideways,
[00:39:25] Oshi:
you know, like, how to prevent something Oh. Tragic. Well, it's also the miners that have to align with the consensus code. Right? Because they're the ones mining the blocks. And,
[00:39:36] Permanerd:
yeah, it there's there's some loose ends there for sure. And because if if they if they decide the core team and most people, I would guess, that are running running the the Bitcoin core would just automatically update. Mhmm. And so it kinda goes down to what they say goes with with the software
[00:39:58] Oshi:
and I know there's a big Yeah. I don't know. It's a it's a good I don't know. It's a really good like philosophical question too as to who actually you know is who's more important? I think I mean, I know the minors are actually like the ones that are are saying we support this or we support that because I don't know. I mean, whoever understands this stuff more, come on the show. Explain it to us because I think this kind of thing is important to really understand. I don't think a lot of people, especially just coming into Bitcoin, have even any idea about this stuff. Especially Bitcoin Core, Bitcoin Nots, you
[00:40:40] Permanerd:
Yeah and the history of Bitcoin is quite intriguing.
[00:40:45] Oshi:
Yeah. Like the block size wars in 2017 with enlarging the block size and this and that making it more efficient and yeah. Just Bitcoin can be confusing and I can understand why the trepidation for people to not want to definitely get it. Well,
[00:41:03] Permanerd:
the confusion for me is that or part of the confusion is that the block size wars, you know, I've listened to a couple books about that from from either side. And it was, as far as I understand it, fighting to keep the block sizes low. And then is that different than the op return sizes that Bitcoin Core has now increased? So is it kinda it almost feels like it's going back to that 2017 argument of the size of the blocks. Yeah.
[00:41:38] Oshi:
Yeah it's maybe the size but also what is actually going into the blocks you know because Bitcoin itself is a monetary network and that's how it should be used but people aren't using it only like that. They're using it to store other things of data like pictures or Blu ray rips of TV shows or whatever it may be and it's conflating as to what Bitcoin actually is. And I think that's all kind of by design. It's trying to get people confused and to not understand the true identity as to what Bitcoin is actually designed for.
So I forgot who I was listening to that was talking about the importance of or actually it was that podcast. I think it was Mechanic that was talking about it if I'm not mistaken. On you know if you confuse people about the identity of what something is then you're pretty much undermining the thing itself because people don't understand what the hell it is now.
[00:42:37] Unknown:
And I think that's this whole confusion that we're going through right now but I don't know. It's a tricky thing to navigate for sure. I'm still trying to navigate it myself but I try not to get too caught up in it as well. There's the dilemma that you know you say that it is a monetary you know it's a type of money. And then there's the philosophy that, you know, it's Bitcoin's not just for your your friends, but it's also for your enemies.
[00:43:07] Permanerd:
And Right. Then is there is there really a moral dilemma if somebody uses it in a in a way that you're not comfortable with? You know, if it's Mhmm. If it's possible to use it that way? It's kinda like loopholes in IRS tax codes or, you know, like, it's there's a thousand books on taxes, but there's 10 pages that tell you how not to pay your taxes or something like that. You know, like, it's they're
[00:43:34] Oshi:
Mhmm. It's the the system and and how you use it. So is it wrong to do those things if it's possible to do them? Yeah. I mean that goes with so many other things right? Literally everything else. You could I don't know I think I made the analogy before but you know it's like a knife. You can either kill someone with the knife or you can use the same knife and I don't know carve a beautiful table. It's all about the user's Or spread hot. Or you can spread hot butter with the knife. So it's really the user's intent at the end of the day. Especially if it's a technology like this and it has some sort of utility and value then you know people are going to try and use it for malicious things but it doesn't taint the thing itself. It's you you could talk about cars, know people drive cars and you know purposely hit people unfortunately.
But it gets people to work at the same time. So I don't know, I don't really understand so much of this stuff to be honest but I just reduce it down to its most simple things like that and I really think it's gonna solve itself because really when it comes down to it, I don't think there's any other solution than Bitcoin right now as far as I'm concerned. Maybe there is another project being built but I think Bitcoin will I mean just like in 2017 when it was going through all that stuff, we are going through it again.
So it'll sort itself out I think. It has to. The the philosophy
[00:45:08] Permanerd:
of Bitcoin. Yeah. So everybody has their own ideas about what it should be and what it can be and what it does and what it doesn't do. Yeah. That's the beauty of it. You can use it in like a whole variety of ways.
[00:45:23] Oshi:
You know? I think Jack Mollers talks about how, you know, it's property. You're gonna tell me how to use my oven. You're gonna tell me how to use my house, it's mine. I could do what I wish with it. And Bitcoin is kind of the same thing. Whole variety of ways to use it, it's not just one way. Which introduces a lot of problems like this, which is good. You know it's good to have discussions about it and to encounter things with it to make it stronger because just think of nature, that's just how nature works.
Bitcoin, the technology itself is I think that the you know the design itself is sound. It's still working and yeah. No rambling on. No. If
[00:46:02] Permanerd:
yeah. I guess I the more that the more we talk about it, the less I understand. You know? Or the more I realize how much I don't I don't understand. And that's another problem is that Yeah. You know, if you bring up Bitcoin and then then people, like, assume that you're an expert in it Mhmm. Which I am certainly not. You know, I know more than the average Joe, but I'm always learning, you know, just like with everything else. Definitely. You gotta just keep keep learning. But like we talked about before, you don't have to. Like, it it you can use it without without knowing everything about it. Mhmm. Yeah. People don't know how their credit cards work. They don't know how the SWIFT system works. I don't fully understand it, but, you know, I use the credit card every single day, unfortunately. But If I was to so I've got It is what it is. My Bitcoin, and it is in my wallet. Can I add things to that Bitcoin, or how does that even work? Like, I I don't even know how, like, ordinals and stuff like that or adding more information into an op return.
[00:47:08] Oshi:
Don't know. I've never done it myself. Yeah. That's I've never I've honestly never been interested in that. I don't know. Yeah.
[00:47:16] Permanerd:
Just fundamental questions on how it actually like, data is added to Mhmm. To I mean, I I guess it's just it didn't it's gotta be in transactional data somewhere. I mean, the op return must just be a a field within the JSON or whatever, however the the data is transmitted, and then you just throw it in there. Alright. Somebody somebody stop us here and
[00:47:41] Oshi:
Yeah. Eric f j if he's out there.
[00:47:45] Unknown:
Eric. Eric. Cue us in.
[00:47:48] Oshi:
Eric. Teach us. Yeah. It gets murky,
[00:47:52] Unknown:
but that's And,
[00:47:53] Permanerd:
I mean, that's it's not boring. That's for sure.
[00:47:57] Oshi:
Definitely not. It's a rabbit hole. You can go as deep or shallow as you want. I'm probably knee deep.
[00:48:03] Permanerd:
That's pretty cool. In the rock. But at least I got my feet in there. Yeah. I'm not really sure why. Maybe I'm similar at the knee. I mean, I've more than dipped my toe in. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, we're running nodes.
[00:48:16] Oshi:
We're on Noster.
[00:48:18] Permanerd:
You know, so far so good. I mean, we're pretty much geniuses.
[00:48:21] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, hell, we should start teaching That's a great idea. Let's start one. What should we call it?
[00:48:30] Permanerd:
Boring Bitcoin talk. Talk. BBT.
[00:48:39] Oshi:
It's called we wish we knew. Right.
[00:48:44] Permanerd:
Or just tell somebody talk to us.
[00:48:47] Oshi:
Email us. Email us.
[00:48:52] Permanerd:
Alright. Do you have anything else you wanted to discuss?
[00:48:58] Oshi:
Well, that was a good one. A good on there. I don't think so. Nothing really comes to mind right now. I think the main thing I wanted to touch on was the whole coffee shop thing. It was just really annoying. Such a bummer. We gotta get more people turning that on.
[00:49:15] Permanerd:
Hopefully, next episode, we'll have some more positive news on that. Is that that's old is that the Square app or is that Stripe Stripe as well? There's
[00:49:24] Unknown:
Square. So maybe that is the takeaway. Just just hammer square people. Yeah. Print out some pamphlets,
[00:49:33] Oshi:
maybe make some video content to share if you know the owner and you really care and you wanna make a minute long tutorial on how to turn it on for them. Yeah. You gotta be creative, I guess. But, you know, it'll come in time I guess. You gotta cram it in their head. I'm trying to think what else though other than new stuff. I think Oshi Shop. Butter's in stock. I think there's maybe one more day of the pre the preorder thing for the t shirt I'm doing. So jump on that. I'm not gonna print it again. One and done kind of thing.
I think that's it for me. Oh, got a new batch of Bitcoin Bean stuff since I'm taking care of his shipping stuff here in in The United States for the most part. Expect some new product dropping. So it's pretty good. Pretty good chocolate bars too, but I'll let him announce Exciting.
[00:50:33] Permanerd:
Yeah. Yeah. You can find all of that at oshigood.us.
[00:50:36] Oshi:
Oshigood.us.com. Hey. That was in key.
[00:50:45] Permanerd:
And Oster only. Yeah. You can find Are you in stock of things? Except for comfrey sav. But everything else And I think I only have one pineapple left. And that's at satsthenumber4snacks.com. And I would feel remiss without giving a takemysats.com shout out to our friend, Polish, just for fun.
[00:51:10] Oshi:
Yeah. Honestly, takemysats.com. Great for onboarding if you got something to sell, you wanna set up a website, but you don't know how to link your Bitcoin or whatever to it. This is your site. What's the website? Takemystatsdot.
[00:51:27] Permanerd:
And you know what? There's every day, it seems like there's a new vendor on there. So whatever you're looking for, check it out. Yep. If there's a spot for a promo code, use the promo code YADA. Use it on everything. Wherever you buy, just put it in there just for Thanks for thanks for the reminder, actually. YADA,
[00:51:45] Oshi:
have it as a discount code. So put it in. Put it in. I sent out an order to read
[00:51:50] Permanerd:
yesterday and he had put in Yada into into Nice. I don't have a code but I sent him something special.
[00:51:58] Oshi:
Cool. I actually had someone do that too the other day for the pre shirt order. I can't remember who it was but shout out you. Thank you. And
[00:52:05] Permanerd:
make sure that you keep your eye on your mail too. Oh, shoot. There's something heading your way. Oh, yeah. True. It makes it through customs, we should be good. Oh, gosh. Fingers crossed. They like to go through everything. Alright. Well, thank you for listening. Make sure that you let us know how we're doing. Good, bad, ugly. Any questions? Somewhere in between. Answering questions, give us some feedback. And remember that this is your life and you are the algorithm.
Cold open, Beatles riff, and quick banter
Coaching little league and dealing with a loud parent
Value-for-Value intro and reading boosts
Permaculture overlaps with Bitcoin and Nostr
Filler words, speech habits, and the Lykem Jar
Show stats, downloads, and puzzling player data
VPNs, Nostr VPN ideas, and tech curiosity
BIP-110, OP_RETURN, and keeping Bitcoin for money
High-signal Nostr, making your own algorithm
Guitar interlude and segue to the main question
Elevator pitch for merchants to accept Bitcoin
Practical onboarding: Square toggles, brochures, DarthCoin
WISP removes signer support and key management debate
Self-sovereignty tradeoffs for new users
Local Bitcoin meetups and discovery resources
Streaming sats shoutouts and episode naming jokes
Who controls Bitcoin? Core, miners, and consensus
Identity of Bitcoin, block size echoes, and misuse debates
Admitting unknowns and learning in public
Action items: convincing shops, merch, and site plugs
Takemysats, promo code YADA, and farewells
