In Episode 7 of the YATA (“You Are The Algorithm”) podcast, Oshi and I celebrate Bitcoin Pizza Day, dig into value-for-value boosts, and invite “normie” questions so we can explain Bitcoin, Nostr, and Lightning in plain language. We talk meetups, circular economies, and why micro-payments change how creators and communities connect. I tee up future segments on permaculture, and we swap stories on running personal Nostr relays, on-chain vs. Lightning payments, and how tools like Start9, Umbrel, and Snort can make self-sovereign publishing approachable. We also wander through real life: childhood pre-screens, getting outdoors, travel tales (Myanmar to Hungary), first jobs, and creative side hustles—from Oshi’s HODL butter and T‑shirt preorders to my freeze‑dried fruit. Keep the boosts and questions coming—especially from newcomers. You are the algorithm, and your questions steer this show.
- 'Nostr (open protocol)': https://nostr.com
- 'Lightning Network (official site)': https://lightning.network
- 'Cashu (Ecash for Bitcoin)': https://cashu.space
- 'Fountain (Podcasting 2.0 app)': https://fountain.fm
- 'TakeMySats (Bitcoin marketplace)': https://takemysats.com
- 'Papa John’s (the infamous Pizza Day pies)': https://www.papajohns.com
- 'Bitcoin Pizza Day — Laszlo’s original post (BitcoinTalk)': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137.0
- 'The Survival Podcast (Jack Spirko)': https://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com
- 'Start9 (sovereign computing)': https://start9.com
- 'Umbrel (home server OS)': https://umbrel.com
- 'Snort (Nostr web client)': https://snort.social
- 'Liquid Network (sidechain for Bitcoin)': https://liquid.net
- 'Raspberry Pi (single-board computers)': https://www.raspberrypi.com
- 'Graham Hancock (author/researcher)': https://grahamhancock.com
- 'Göbekli Tepe (background info)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
- 'Kimi Räikkönen (background info)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimi_R%C3%A4ikk%C3%B6nen
- 'OshiGood (Oshi’s shop)': https://oshigood.us
- 'Sats 4 Snacks (freeze‑dried fruit)': https://sats4snacks.com
- 'Slopoganda': https://sl0pag4nda.neocities.org/
- 'Nostr Value Pack': https://www.takemysats.com/nostr-value-pack
Join us on Nostr: Oshi (npub1uzt238htjzpq39dxmltlx60vxym9fetk9czz6kddq6fhvkf4z3usy9qtrh) & Permanerd (npub1zqdpzty2mshxncqqxy2078qax6mlehsxmpx5095wtxw4tpepkr0s2ce6fj)
Send an email: sayhi@youarethealgo.com
[00:00:22] Permanerd:
Aloha, and welcome to the YADA podcast where stands for you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and I am joined today by a guitar phenom and my good friend, Oshi. How you doing, man? Doing pretty good. Doing pretty good. Episode seven. Right?
[00:00:43] Unknown:
Episode seven. That's right. A little housekeeping. I see. That's that number follows me everywhere. It's gonna be a good one. I agree.
[00:00:51] Permanerd:
So what is new on your front?
[00:00:54] Unknown:
Well, I mean, today I actually made more butter, so stocked up the shop. Pizza day today. So little bit Bitcoiner meetup that I've got in the town nearby. We're meeting up later, so it should be fun. There's like eight of us. We do it maybe once a month. And I never eat pizza, so this should be should be fun. Do something different. Awesome. For anybody that doesn't know, Pizza Day is
[00:01:18] Permanerd:
credited with being the first Bitcoin purchase. What year was that? 2010. Where somebody who I should know his name Laslow
[00:01:29] Unknown:
something. Yeah. Laslow
[00:01:32] Permanerd:
purchased two pizzas from, I think, Papa John's for Yep. $1,010,000 Bitcoin.
[00:01:37] Unknown:
Yep. That's a lot of money now. That is a lot of cheese.
[00:01:42] Permanerd:
And they and so he some some people criticize the maneuver and just say that that's a $40,000,000,000
[00:01:52] Unknown:
pizza or whatever it is. Yeah. It's definitely a few million now.
[00:01:56] Permanerd:
But, I mean, that helped get the ball rolling as well as far as the circular economy with Bitcoin or this parallel economy anyway. So, I mean, I I say hats off to you, my friend. Definitely. Proof of concept. For sure. And speaking of proof of concept, we had a chat before, and I've had a few friends in real life that have said that they don't understand Bitcoin or they don't understand Noster or that we're chatting at a bit of a too high of a level. And so we wanted to throw it out that if you want to share this with with, quote, unquote, normie friends, and I don't mean that derogatorily.
I just I think everybody knows what I mean when I say that. Yeah. And have them give a listen, and we would love some questions from people just to just for us to figure out, you know, how we need to be discussing things a little bit better to
[00:03:04] Unknown:
I I don't know, what do you mean like to Yeah. To be, I don't know, I think of like asking the market. You gotta ask what the market wants. So what do you wanna hear? What do you want us to maybe clear up and touch on? Because the level of understanding on the things that we talk about can vary. I mean we're probably no experts on Bitcoin or Noser per se, but we definitely use it. But we can definitely break it down to a bit more simple terms, I suppose. Because that's how I personally like understanding things. So maybe that's something that we could do. Yeah. Just to to
[00:03:37] Permanerd:
increase engagement or allow for engagement for someone who might not be comfortable with the Mhmm. With the subjects as much as we are. And then also for whatever else. I mean, for me, you know, there's two things that once I get started, I can't stop talking about, and that is Bitcoin and permaculture. So if you have any questions related to either of those. And I guess I'll throw a nostril in there as well. Mhmm. Yeah. Maybe we should talk more about permaculture. It's something that I'd like to learn more about. For sure. If I mean, we can definitely do that. Maybe for the next episode, I'll try to set something up in the extremely limited time that I have to prepare for this show. Yeah. Or maybe we can make dedicated segments or something. It'd be fun to do. So, yeah, hit us up on Noster or say hi@urthealgo.com.
And all that will be in the show notes. I'm pretty sure the email address is in there. I'll I'll make a note to check it. Yeah. Speaking of the email, I sent a test email. Did you get it? I did. So it does work. The plumbing Cool. Is
[00:04:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I was curious if it works, so that's good to know.
[00:04:58] Permanerd:
So, yeah, this is also a value for value proposition, which means that we put it out. There are no paywalls. There's nothing expected from from anyone that listens. But we do accept any value that you want to give back, And that can be sending an email with a question. And and it's been great. We've been getting, Noster notes boost with questions. Mhmm. And and it's it's awesome. I really enjoy that type of interaction.
[00:05:34] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:05:35] Permanerd:
It's almost just like talking with friends. I mean, it kinda is talking with friends. And so there's that. And then you can also boost from a podcasting two point o enabled app such as Fountain. And for any anybody that is listening that doesn't know, a boost is just a piece of Bitcoin that you can send directly to us. And and that is helping pay for the bills that are incurring from doing this show. Mhmm. So, I mean, we're not we're not begging, but our hand is out. We're passing the donation basket around. Yeah. That hat that I tipped to Laszlo is still there. So go ahead and throw a couple shekels into it.
And so at the beginning, we like to we like to thank people and also read their notes from the boost that we got. And so we'll start with with our friend Logs who was apparently weed eating outside your house for episode
[00:06:40] Unknown:
five, I think. He didn't tell me he was coming over. He just appeared. I was like, oh, alright.
[00:06:48] Permanerd:
And that was a 100 tats from from Fountain. And his note just says, just riffin' fellas. Stay hard. Got it. Cool. Thanks, And the next one is $8.87 from our other friend, bullish clips on fountain. And that says, thanks for mentioning takemysats.com. That was smooth, Perma. And I can't say takemy I can't say it anymore without.com at the end. It's just like, ugh. Takemystats.com.dotcom. Yeah. If you're looking for products to buy, to purchase with Bitcoin, go over to takemysats.com and
[00:07:31] Unknown:
check it out. There's he's getting more vendors all the time. It's pretty amazing. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Great little shop to, you know, just get yourself going if you have something that you wanna sell for Bitcoin.
[00:07:42] Permanerd:
Yes. Right. To set up for yourself and to browse because Mhmm. It's I mean, it's pretty diverse as far as the products available. Yeah. New merchants every day, it seems like. And then 99 sats again from bullish clips that says, kakao now. Nice. Then the next one is $4.20 sats from undisciplined. And that one asks, how do we fix the shipping problem? It's
[00:08:13] Unknown:
a good question. I don't think there is fixing it, unfortunately.
[00:08:16] Permanerd:
No. Not until I mean, ideally, it would just be, like, a key pair. Your address would be your end pub. Somehow it just gets to you without any other information. But That would be cool. That would be cool, but impossible, I think. So, yeah, Endusplin, if you have any suggestions, we're we're all ears on that one for sure. Yeah. That'd be really cool actually to introduce that. The devs need to work on that little project next, shipping. Wow. It's devs and logistics as well, you know, like Yeah. Trucking or whatever the maybe I'll just start using a drone.
The next one is 210 sats from Ben D On Fountain, and there's no note attached to that. So thank you, Ben. I think this is the first time Ben has has donated, and it's very much appreciated. So if you have a a note or anything, hit us up, and we'll certainly read it. And then the next one is 1,033 sats from Jim Seaford at Fountain. Nice. And I think this is directed at me as well. It's Seaford in quotes is pronounced Seaford. Because I think I said Seifer, and I realized after I did it too, was like, yeah, that's fine. So thanks for clarifying. Clarifying.
[00:09:34] Unknown:
Your pronunciations.
[00:09:35] Permanerd:
Yeah. Exactly. And then and it says, but I answer to Jim or s m I j, which is Jim backwards.
[00:09:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I saw that one. Yeah. Clever.
[00:09:47] Permanerd:
Yeah. And obvious too, if you're looking. And and then he says that he's a big fan of permaculture, mushrooms, I eat veggie hashtag I eat vegetarians, hashtag yada. Yep. That's awesome. It's a great note. Thanks, Jim. And then and then 460 sats from Jim Seifert. Must be a different Jim. Hashtag Yada. Yes, sir. Hashtag Yada. Next one is 330 sats from Noster Value Pack. What? Nice. Yeah. So that's pretty amazing. And then and it says check out n v p n v p, which I'm assuming is Noster Value Pack at www.takemysats.com/nostervaluepack.
[00:10:38] Unknown:
Cool. I think that's our friend Alice that's I doing think so. Well, it's Alice,
[00:10:43] Permanerd:
and I think there's somebody else involved too.
[00:10:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Our friend Pam, I think. Yeah. Palmira maybe? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's cool what they're doing. They're bundling a bunch of like Nostril merchants in a discounted basket kinda thing.
[00:11:00] Permanerd:
It's crazy. It's that's it is cool. It's really cool. I've had I know I've seen your products and my products in there, and it makes me smile. Mhmm. Definitely. And so then that that will hopefully be in the show notes as well. I'll make a note of that. And it says use use the promo code for 11% off emojis only, no spaces. And then there's then there's these emojis. It's lightning bolt. I don't know what that is, lightning bolt. So I don't know if you need it's an emoji promo code, which is pretty sweet, but I don't know if is it? I don't know. Let us know. You could do that. I don't know if you can. I mean, I guess it's all it's all ask you when it comes down to it. So
[00:11:49] Unknown:
Yeah. She loves using emojis. I she's always chatting with me, sending those. It's pretty funny. If
[00:11:56] Permanerd:
you could clarify that, then
[00:11:59] Unknown:
we'll definitely Dude, you don't speak emoji?
[00:12:04] Permanerd:
No. I was I was born before twelve years ago.
[00:12:10] Unknown:
Yeah. True.
[00:12:11] Permanerd:
I do I do like the occasional emoji. I will say that. Yeah. And Like a good poop? Yeah. Absolutely. Poop emoji or yeah. Anyway, the next one is a 198 stats from ask nine thirty seven again. Nice. And thank you very much. It says hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Thank you. Truer words. You are welcome, my friend. Thank you. And the next one is a 198 from asinine 37 on fountain again. This one's for be from be the hemoglobin.
[00:12:53] Unknown:
And
[00:12:55] Permanerd:
it says this episode was such a vibe from the lightning talk to the outro jam. Two are doing great work. Do you think of Bip one
[00:13:05] Unknown:
Bip one ten, is that the what is that again? I can't remember what that whole discussion is about. I think that
[00:13:12] Permanerd:
is that the one oh my god. This is so it's hard to keep track. And I think that you had mentioned it before in this episode that neither of us Yeah. Are experts.
[00:13:22] Unknown:
Yeah. My mind is blanking on what the hell that even is anymore. Some sort of
[00:13:27] Permanerd:
I don't know. We'll come back to it. Okay. BIP one ten is protecting Bitcoin's purpose, temporary limit the size of data fields at the consensus level in order to correct distorted incentives caused by standardizing support for arbitrary data and to refocus priorities on improving Bitcoin as money. So this sounds like it's a rollback of the last one that that opened up the the data limits. Oh, the OpReturn? The OpReturn data limits. Mhmm. So maybe this is rolling back. And for me, I I find it difficult to keep up with with all of it, and then it ends up being people are just slinging mud at each other. Mhmm. And it's kinda like on Nostril, there there was the on chain zaps.
[00:14:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a note of that. And it's interesting
[00:14:25] Permanerd:
for a little while, and then I just my eyes just kinda glaze over, and I let I let the adults play or, you know, fight each other, and then I just kinda fade away in the background. Yep. And then Bitcoin just marches on. And Bitcoin marches on. That's right. So I'd be interested, ask knight thirty seven, what your take on it is. I mean, if you can enlighten us a little bit more for accurate or just completely talking out our ass. Probably the louder. I would imagine so. I was wondering why my why my breath smelled so bad.
[00:15:01] Unknown:
You gotta floss your teeth, son.
[00:15:03] Permanerd:
And stop talking out your ass. The next one is 500 tats from Ivortola at Fountain. And it says, you guys bring new meaning to the word abominable.
[00:15:17] Unknown:
I think we're the only ones in the entire world that uses that word so frequently. So frequently. I mean, you never hear it outside of like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer movie on TV. Never. That's the only time I've ever heard that word.
[00:15:32] Permanerd:
Maybe that's our mascot. We have to
[00:15:37] Unknown:
That might be the good thumbnail for this episode.
[00:15:40] Permanerd:
Okay. Oh, yeah. Nice. And then the last one that I have here is another 1033 from Jim Seifert. And it says thanks for the shout out. Hashtag s MIG s m I j, hashtag z APD, hashtag grow noster is my signature of hashtag notes. The first, s m I j, is Jim's backwards. Then there it is, mystery solved. Second, zapped is hashtag past tense of zap. Yes. Okay. I make up hashtags and everyone knows Grow Noster, the hashtag Jack Spearco encouraged way back when on his podcast. Hashtag t s p, hashtag g s d, hashtag l f t n, hashtag s o e. I follow hashtag hashtags to find hashtag people, to hashtag follow, and use hashtag to be hashtag found.
I encourage everyone to use That's
[00:16:45] Unknown:
all in the note? That's all in a single note? That's all in the note. Yeah. Wow. Crazy. Thanks, Jim. Yeah.
[00:16:51] Permanerd:
Thanks, man. Chuckles. That's really funny. Yes. The the grown ostrich thing. That was that was a fun a fun one. I don't know if you listened to the survival podcast with Jack Spierco. Perhaps. It doesn't ring a bell. I probably should. Yeah. It's a good it's a really good one. And a lot of Evergreen episodes. So he basically started the a grown oster. And I I think it was right after David Bennett was on his show telling him about oster. And then Jack put out this GrowNoster hashtag. And I think a lot of people a lot of people joined Noster at that time with that GrowNoster hashtag. So if if you did, let us know. Send us a boost with, hashtag grown oster, and we'll know that that you came over from Jack's show. And then there was There's actually a question. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Was there still more? Oh, no. I was just gonna, have you mention
[00:17:46] Unknown:
Bitcoin Beans also contributing. Oh, of course. Yeah. No. We can't forget him. Yes. So Bitcoin Beans, he sent us a fat zap for the Likeum jar. Never what was the comment? I forgot what he said exactly. Never start a sentence with the word And he sent 10,000 sats. So big ups Bitcoin beans.
[00:18:07] Permanerd:
Very cool. Thank you. Wow. That's a that is definitely our largest contribution to date.
[00:18:14] Unknown:
Yeah. That'll cover half of the domain or not the domain, pothome?
[00:18:20] Permanerd:
Yes. Which I have to pay, actually. I got a bill from Well, thank you, Bitcoin Beans.
[00:18:25] Unknown:
Big contributor.
[00:18:27] Permanerd:
Awesome cacao too. And there's one there's one more that I had saved a note that somebody had sent in, and I'm trying to access from Slopganda. And I'm not really sure how this came across. It came across on Noster, and I don't remember how I saw it, but I did. And it says, nice cold open, a good chuckle, and delightful strumming by Oshi. Excited to learn more about using Noster. Yada is the whole reason I started this music broadcast. Delightful to witness and learn more from y'all. And so that was yeah. So Slap a Slap a Ganda. I haven't had a chance to listen to it, but there's he started a podcast about music, I think.
[00:19:14] Unknown:
That's cool. I'll have to check that out.
[00:19:18] Permanerd:
Yeah. It's and here it's oh my gosh. Yeah. I can't read that right now. I'll try to put that I'll try to put his his website in the show. Yeah. I think that's all the all of those, all the Thank you, everybody. It's the amount of support is awesome, and it's so Yeah. Super cool. So great to hear from from y'all.
[00:19:50] Unknown:
Question came up actually as you were talking about Noster. I had a friend ask me how it is that we even found Noster. I had to think about how I even came across Noster because I had a hard time remembering. So I was curious how you did. You know, I have a real
[00:20:05] Permanerd:
problem remembering how I came to anything. It's Yeah. Same. Bitcoin as well. You know, I've tried to think of my origin story for Bitcoin. And with Noster, I'm wondering if it was maybe maybe the Bitcoin and podcast. I can't remember because it was it's been over three years. So I Yeah. It's you know, that's in nostril terms, that's quite a while. So there weren't a lot of people talking about it, and and I really can't remember. But I I do know that it didn't take me long once I started to realize, alright. This is so much better than everything else and just stopped using any other social medias. And then once you start down the the nostril rabbit hole, you realize just how powerful it is and that it's not a social media. It is can be used as such, but there's so many more opportunities.
[00:21:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of cool features about it. What social media were you using the most before you came?
[00:21:10] Permanerd:
To Twitter. Twitter. Yeah. But mostly I wasn't really active. I just used it for news and brainwashing. Yeah. I like to be brainwashed by
[00:21:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I I will say there is a lot of good, I guess, good news on there. It's primarily just that, I would say. How about you? Where did you come across Noster? I was trying to think about that last night. I think I think I was listening to Jack Mallers talk about Noster a couple years ago on a podcast and I didn't know what it was. I had to look up what the hell, how to even spell it and came across it and I thought it was really intriguing. The thing that really got me the most was that your social graph, your follows, your content, everything like that. You own it. So if you want to transfer to a new client or app as we call it in Nostriland because those are basically you know you can understand different clients as going from Instagram to Facebook.
But say you're for this example, say you're on Instagram and you want to go to Facebook, you can't bring all your followers. You can't bring all the content that you've written. You kind of got to start over. But on Oster you have your social graph that you can take with you and it's maybe displayed differently or there's different features about it. And I found that to be really, really cool. That just, I don't know, that just kind of clicked to me. And then I realized it was all integrated with Bitcoin too and you can actually send micro payments pretty much like frictionless which is really cool.
And I don't know, as a content creator, not content creator but just an artist, a creative, it just makes sense when you really just sit down with it and really understand what this thing is. It's kinda cool. And it doesn't even have to be clients.
[00:23:01] Permanerd:
You can parse that data onto your website or anything else. Mhmm. And you don't need an API k or a p API key from Twitter or from Facebook or, you know, anything else. It's it's just there. And you can just pull that information and use it however you want to. Mhmm. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Freedom.
[00:23:22] Unknown:
It's the closest thing to it, you know, I I would say. And just the uncensorability
[00:23:27] Permanerd:
of it. And if you you know, no one can ever shut you down. Well, I mean, can't say never. But if you run your own relay for instance, which you certainly don't have to do, but if you do, then you can almost guarantee that that your notes will be will be saved at least.
[00:23:46] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. That's that's something I have yet to dive into figuring out how to do. Do you do you run a Relay? I do. And
[00:23:55] Permanerd:
it's just on one of my servers here, but it's not a public re I don't know exactly too. I'm I'm not an expert in that by any means. Yeah. But I set one up just as a way to back up notes that I write. How how'd you do that?
[00:24:09] Unknown:
Is it running on your node? It's running on
[00:24:13] Permanerd:
I think it's it's running on one of the many PCs that I have that are running as servers. I don't think it's on Umbral. I think it's on the other one. So, yeah, I've just set it. It's basically I think it's a Docker image, so you just, install Docker and then and then pull down the the container and then go through the the setup, the configuration.
[00:24:36] Unknown:
Yeah. See, the I can't imagine many people getting to the point of doing that. I think that needs to become a lot easier and kind of behind the behind the scenes kind of thing to do. I don't know. Well, you can also do it on
[00:24:51] Permanerd:
on Umbral though and probably start nine running a Mhmm. What is it? It's not just a a snort, I think. Nostril Relay or there's Nostril Relay. And it's a single click. So I did that before, but I think because my I can't remember why I stopped using it. I probably couldn't figure it out at the time. That's kind of where I was. I just couldn't figure it out. I need to try it though. Yeah. You should try it on you said you have a start nine. Right? Mhmm. Yeah. Just check out start nine. They might have a once click install for the for Relay.
[00:25:26] Unknown:
Yeah, they do. I I saw it on there and I wanted to dabble with it but my I just get busy sometimes and it it requires kind of my attention to really understand what the hell I'm doing before I just kinda mess around. But, you know, sometimes I think you do kinda need to mess around to learn it. So no excuse on my part. Well, that's why it's nice to have you know, there most people that are developing
[00:25:51] Permanerd:
software will have a development computer or a development server to where you can isolate it and just if you break it, it's not a big deal. Because, I mean, if you if you'd bricked your start nine right now,
[00:26:05] Unknown:
it would probably suck. Yeah. I'd have to get an like a separate one to do that kind of stuff. Or maybe build just one of those Raspberry Pi things Yeah. Which is something I wanted to do originally. Yep. That's a that's a good idea as well. Yeah. Just gotta get some some other priorities straight first. Priorities. Yeah. Like, oh, speaking of Leica,
[00:26:28] Permanerd:
we gotta we gotta check the Leica jar stats here. Okay. So another thing that we do I'm saying so a lot too. Maybe I'll throw that on there. Just slap me anytime like so. Absolutely. Yeah. So but the Lycum jar so I did the last two because I don't think I had done five, episode five. And episode five, we had a pretty good split of words. So you you being Oshi had 5,635 words, and that is I guess it would be 15 fillers. I have to take the uhs out because there's still uhs. I'll I'll read the uhs for this time. But filler 16, that's a percentage of point 28%.
One one 14 like. That's fine with me. That's pretty good, man. A quarter of a Yeah.
[00:27:25] Unknown:
I'll take it. Then It can be better. I had 5,537
[00:27:28] Permanerd:
words, 15 fillers It's for a point two seven. Basically the same. Zero ums, five uhs, and 10 likes. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty split. Nice. And that was for oh, wait. That was for episode yeah. That was episode five. And then episode six, you had 4,148 words with 14 fillers for a point three four percentage. Mhmm. One two uhs, and 11 likes.
[00:27:57] Unknown:
And I had I like that. Yeah. I I I seem to hover around that ten, eleven. Right. Just getting just into double digits. Yeah.
[00:28:05] Permanerd:
And I had 5,272 words with six fillers for point one one, and that was Nice. Three ums, zero uhs,
[00:28:15] Unknown:
and three likes. Oh, you got me on that one.
[00:28:19] Permanerd:
Nice. And we need to get this we need to get this Laikum jar sorted because so far, you've had a hundred and twenty five five that go in there and I've had 54, not counting not counting us.
[00:28:36] Unknown:
Wait. So how much is that? It let's let's do each is $21.21 sats.
[00:28:42] Permanerd:
Okay. So you so you say $1.25 times 20. You're at 2,500 sats. Okay. 1,080.
[00:28:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. We'll we'll we'll contribute some of Bitcoin beans. Awesome. But it would be cool to have, I don't know, some sort of standalone thing on the website or I don't know. We need to figure that out.
[00:29:03] Permanerd:
Agreed. Be fun. Which means we need a website.
[00:29:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I did say I would whip it up. We need to generate some ideas on what we what we want on it, I suppose. We can keep it simple. Just kind of like a stand alone thing. It'd be really funny. We could yeah. I have some like
[00:29:22] Permanerd:
Nice. We just copy someone else's. So the last part for this this beginning of the show, we go over stats from Pod Home, which is where we're hosting. And so they give access to some, what we find interesting, analytics. And so the all time downloads for the show are 3,657, and that Wow. Is from 2,411 unique listeners. And the last three shows for total downloads, the last one, Proof of Humanness, is has been 438 downloads. And then Wow. The next one's five seventy six. And then our our friend Abominable Farewell is at 700 and That's fantastic. Not bad. Yeah. Thank you again, everyone. I really can't thank people enough.
I can't thank people enough for spending their time and listening. And people listen at 08:00 in the morning. That's the most most listened to time. Oh, interesting. It gives you times? It does. And then followed by 01:00 in the afternoon, thirteen hundred hours. And it looks like Android might be losing a little bit of ground. So now Apple iPhone's up to 76%, and Android's only 10. Dirty. Doing me dirty. Yeah. I'm a contributor. Admitting you have a problem is the first step. It's true. So the the highest country by far with 2,459 downloads is United States, followed by Canada with 312, and then great Those are all you. Yeah. Exactly. I also think we're gonna get our numbers up. If it was all me, Android would be higher on the list.
True. And then a 115 from United Kingdom. And now at the bottom with, I'm guessing, one each, we've got Myanmar, South Africa, and Ethiopia.
[00:31:28] Unknown:
Ethiopia.
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And Myanmar. Like, that's I've got a special place in my heart for Myanmar. So if you're in Myanmar, let me know where you're at, and I would love to hear from you. I've spent I've been to Myanmar three times on more of extended stays. So How was it? What'd you do? Well, that's when I was installing well, opened up a school that we had that helped we had donated and helped to build a school with donations. And then I put in three computer labs in rural schools that that had been built, that we'd helped build previously, and then all using Raspberry Pis
[00:32:15] Unknown:
for the entire That's cool. Entire computer lab. So Yeah. I I didn't realize that you did it there. I thought you were doing that in wherever you were in Canada at the time. No. That was in that was in Myanmar. So how is it? It was amazing.
[00:32:29] Permanerd:
Because we were going, you know, I would we had trucks with the workers. I was I was cruising around with workers sometimes, and then just with a couple other guys sometimes. And they they wanted or, you know, they're off me to sit in the in the cab of the pickup. And I'm like, nope. I'm sitting in the back. And I just sit in the in the bed of the truck and just driving through the remote countryside in Myanmar to where you'd go past, you know, people that are farming rice or farming. And they would they would look at the truck as it went by and then they'd look back at their what they were doing. And then they would kinda just their head would whip back and look and like, who is this guy in the back of the truck? You know, we don't really see a lot of that type of person coming through here. Yeah.
So it was great. People were amazing. I that was the only time in my life I ate rat, which was interesting. You ate a rat? Ate rat. Yes. So I had talked to my friend Mong Mong Ji there. And and I had asked him, I was like, dude, people really eat rats? And then he's like, yeah, you know, they eat rats. And then the next day, we were in this remote village. And we got there and and they just they they always just splurge on us and have a a huge spread. And, yeah, I was sitting next to him and he's like, that that right there is rat. I said, oh, well, let's do this.
My gosh. That's crazy. It's yeah. It was it was pretty into it, very greasy. But it's not like a New York sewer rat. Right? Like, these are field rats that are eating corn and not dirty baby diapers.
[00:34:11] Unknown:
Yeah. True. That's interesting though. How how was the taste?
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Would you recommend it? Dark. It was kind of like a I don't know. If you've had duck, it's kinda like that. Yeah. Dark kinda heavy cream. That's what I would imagine it to be. So I mean, I would I would certainly give it a go again just to get a second second chance at it. But we have lots of rats just here because we've got so much compost and chicken food and everything else. So but I don't eat them.
[00:34:45] Unknown:
Well, you know, just in case, you're running out of food, well, you got rats. Absolutely, man.
[00:34:53] Permanerd:
Yeah. They're huge They're they're huge. I'd probably put them on a spit, throw them on the Traeger maybe. Oh.
[00:35:00] Unknown:
Tasty.
[00:35:01] Permanerd:
Yeah. Thanks. There. Say it again. Yeah. Stop saying that. And stop saying that. Holy mackerel. I can't even get a sentence out without just filler words. It's ridiculous. Thank you to Myanmar Listen and everybody else. It's it means the world to us. It's fantastic. And I think that'll wrap up the, first part here with the analytics and and thanking everybody that has contributed to this show because it's certainly a contribution if you send in notes or boosts. Yeah. Send in more questions too. And get those Normie questions in, please. Yeah. I mean, I fall on the border of it. And we were all there at one time.
You know, it's easy to think that because somebody because somebody uses Bitcoin transactionally, that there's some sort of, I don't know, genius or superhero. But Yeah. I mean, everybody clicked that send and clenched their butt cheeks the first time, okay, I just sent this Bitcoin to somewhere. Is it going to get there?
[00:36:08] Unknown:
You know, like that's the the I remember that. Yeah. I remember when doing the first on chain transaction, was like, oh my gosh, this is so nerve racking right now. Am I doing this right? Make I'm like counting every single number and letter in the
[00:36:23] Permanerd:
And then not knowing what a mempool is, and you know, just like waiting for it to say that it went through, and not even fully understanding that the Yeah. The ten minute block times. Yeah. Yeah. And now we've got lightning payments.
[00:36:41] Unknown:
And now we got e cash, and then we got, you know, so so many other little frickin', I don't know, it's a rabbit hole, can keep going. Instantaneous
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payments.
[00:36:52] Unknown:
I mean It's cool. So cool. It's a lot easier than transacting with sending a credit card payment or and it's so cool. That's why I love Nosser. You can just send micro payments so easily. You don't have to attach your bank account. And I don't know. I don't know how that would that wouldn't even work, would it? I I just don't see how that would be possible
[00:37:13] Permanerd:
in that system. No. No. You can't. It's it doesn't work in the fiat system just to send I don't even know what the minimum would be. 25¢? 50¢? A dollar? You know, you can't you can't do micro payments. You can't feasibly send fractions of a penny. Mhmm. Where with Bitcoin Lightning Network, you can you can send somebody one Satoshi, which is one one hundred millionth of a Bitcoin, and is a fraction of a penny. Mhmm. And it's appreciated. Right? Like somebody you get a 5¢ zap on on or a 5 zap on Noster and it makes me smile still. Great. Thank you. Yeah. Someone's sending some
[00:38:01] Unknown:
real proof of work energy, know, it's so cool to just receive just a little bit. You know, it accumulates and you can send it back to someone that is contributing some valuable thing. Instead of just giving a like or a reshare, can actually give them some sort of tangible
[00:38:21] Permanerd:
value that they could use. Or a boomer thumbs up.
[00:38:24] Unknown:
Or a thumbs up.
[00:38:26] Permanerd:
So crazy, man. Every time I said even like a text message or something to a certain demographic, it is a thumbs up. Okay. Got it. But there's also something to be said about putting all that down and going out into nature. And, you know, it's it is amazing, and all this technology is, for the most part, I think, beneficial, you know, at least what what we're discussing as far as decentralization and circular economies, parallel economies, and being able to eventually break free from from this trap that is the debt slavery of fiat currency and and just governments in general, and that that overreaching power grab that just tightens and tightens and tightens and never gets looser.
And when you can go out and realize that I am not just a cog in in this system, I am part of part of a world that is is beautiful and more diverse than you could even imagine, you know, and and and grounding yourself. And and I there I don't know. I I was just thinking about this because with you know, when I was when I was growing up as a as a younger child, there were no cell phones. Mhmm. You know, you go outside and you play kick the can or tag or Yeah. Grab two sticks and beat the hell out of each other with them, whatever the case may be. Mhmm. And we didn't have to worry as much about somebody videoing what we're doing.
Right? You could get away with stuff back then. And now there's just this trap of of you're you're being surveilled everywhere.
[00:40:18] Unknown:
Yeah. It's stealing your attention too. It really traps it. Did you ever do anything that that
[00:40:25] Permanerd:
I think I know the answer to this, that that if there would have been a a cell phone camera taking video that you probably would have been reprimanded pretty severely.
[00:40:36] Unknown:
I'm
[00:40:37] Permanerd:
not sure what you mean by that. Or are you worried about statutes of limitations? No. I mean, we just did a lot of stupid things when we were kids. Just things that, you know, weren't necessarily harmful to other people, but just
[00:40:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I think of I think of some family reunions that my family would have during the summers. I remember one family reunion. I don't know why this comes to mind. We had a trip to Hershey and my cousin, he was a little older than me. He was kind of the mischief punk. And I remember we would go up to where the community kind of building was where they had all the arcade games and stuff like that on the campground. And he had a fishing pole and he put up a dollar bill on the hook and we would lure people when they would come out of the door and they would chase the dollar bill. Was so funny.
This was years ago. I was probably nine and he was probably like 15. But yeah, we would just do stuff like that and we wouldn't record it. We would just just be in the moment doing fun stuff. So I I'm just so appreciative that I actually experienced such pure moments, I suppose. I don't know. It's it's so different now.
[00:41:52] Permanerd:
It is different. And, you know, the my kid is going to be that generation that doesn't know life before Bitcoin as well. Mhmm. So I I I I remember life before Internet, But he's not gonna know life before bitcoin.
[00:42:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I think we were talking about this at some moment. Maybe we weren't recording but, like early cell phones. You know how I had one of those brick Nokia's with the antenna you would pull out and you know, it'd be indestructible this phone. You could run it over and be fine. And I'd get so stoked on playing snake And yeah, I just now, I mean, the phones now they're amazing. The technology's incredible. But I just appreciate those times, those simpler times.
[00:42:41] Permanerd:
And that's where you can still make them happen. You know? That's Mhmm. But it's just it's so difficult because, you know, a parent being a parent can be hard work. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Like, you need to you can't just let the kid go completely feral most of the time. And but you also need time to do things. And it's a a pretty easy trap to get into with just handing an iPad to a kid. And Yeah. You know I don't even know what, just put it on YouTube and let the algorithm Yeah do what it's going to
[00:43:19] Unknown:
you know I see that stuff all the time whenever I'm out at the store, Target, wherever I am and the kid's crying or the parent has the kid watching some crazy looking cartoon show just to like shut them up. I don't know. That stuff really makes me kind of feel weird. What are these guys feeding your kid? It's so crazy. Some of these things that these younger kids watch and they're just glued to it for hours just so the parents can get some peace and quiet. I don't know if that's a good strategy.
[00:43:52] Permanerd:
I think that it would be fairly easy to tell yourself that it is or you know, I need this time and it's a lot easier than than trying to come up with other creative ways to capture a child's attention that don't involve I suppose.
[00:44:10] Unknown:
Yeah, I suppose. Maybe the shows should just be better or something. Give them, I don't know, National Geographic or something. Make them watch Nova or I don't know, some non crazy just from my experience of seeing some some of these shows that these kids are watching, it's just they're weird. Let us know what you what you do.
[00:44:34] Permanerd:
How what are some good ways to keep a child occupied without without a screen? So I mean, there used to not be screens. You would go outside. Go outside, come back at Alright.
[00:44:47] Unknown:
Sounds good to me. Go ride your bike. I I Yeah exactly. I was a big big bike rider. I'd come in at, you know, when the street lights come on. And it's just good times. You don't see many kids. Well, when they're out playing it's a nice sight to see. It's like, alright good. Everything is well.
[00:45:04] Permanerd:
Well, it's amazing how many times we hear maybe we'll be at a a campground or just whatever. And and, you know, our kid, he he laughs a lot. But, you know, I'm a funny guy. How could you not laugh? And to have people come up and they'll say, oh, it's so good to hear the sound of a a child laughing. You know, like, it's something that is a novelty.
[00:45:29] Unknown:
It really is.
[00:45:32] Permanerd:
I've got another question for you. Yeah. Do you have any interesting
[00:45:37] Unknown:
job stories of jobs you've had? Oh, yes. Oh, man. Should I tell the one with the dog groomer? I'm trying to think of some other ones before I maybe share that one. Was your first job? About a
[00:45:50] Permanerd:
job and a lesson you learned from it?
[00:45:54] Unknown:
First job I ever had, I was probably 15, 16. Pushing carts at Kroger, grocery store, bagging, that kind of thing. Mostly just bagging and getting the carts and stuff. Lesson learned from that is it wasn't really so much a lesson. Was more of a thing that I noticed about myself is that, I worked pretty hard. I worked pretty well. I kinda gamify the task at hand, like getting the cards. I would gamify. It's like, all right, how quick can I do this? How many can I push? Yeah, like how can I be more optimized to do this kind of thing? I don't know. I just always had that kind of mindset.
Did that for maybe a year. Yeah. And then I had so many other jobs. I cleaned dishes at a pizza place and delivered pizza, did landscaping kind of stuff. And, you know, all I had all the jobs, but the one job that is probably the most hilarious to me is I had a dog grooming job for maybe twenty minutes. And the lady who I was working for, she was telling me, oh, so today you're gonna have eight dogs to wash. And I wasn't getting paid very much for the amount of work that I was doing. And I don't know what came over me. I just said no in my mind that this is not gonna fly. So what I went and had and did was I just went to her and told her, I gotta go to my car real quick. I gotta grab my jacket.
So I just went out to my car and I just left. I never came back.
[00:47:35] Permanerd:
The dog is Yeah, still
[00:47:38] Unknown:
he's still there. He's still standing there. He's like, where'd he go? So that was probably my lowest moment. It's not, I mean, is what it is. It was, it was funny, but that's probably my most hilarious thing job wise. I just left and grabbed my I didn't even have a jacket. It was like summer out.
[00:47:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. Well, that's the thing too. It's easier to walk out during summer. Like, oh, look at that. I'd rather be outside. It's like why am I gonna grab my jacket when I have to get wet and wash a dog? You remember what kind of dog it was? I
[00:48:09] Unknown:
can't even remember. The one I finished, it was maybe some sort of golden retriever actually, which is fine. I love golden retrievers, but eight dogs, man. I'm sorry. I can't. Gotta get my jacket real quick. I gotta make some huddle butter. Yeah. I got some shit to do. Oh, I got some stuff to do.
[00:48:30] Permanerd:
Kids show. Kids show. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Normies and kids.
[00:48:38] Unknown:
What about you? Crazy stories? Funny stories? Oh, I've had a thousand jobs.
[00:48:44] Permanerd:
The first job that I had was working at a concession stand at a raceway, a dirt track in Washington state with sprint cars. And so I must have been 14 or 15, I think. And the first year, I was flipping burgers and making fries, stuff like that. And I think that job, I I kinda learned hard work and not wanting to work there. Then the second year, I was in the the ice cream part. So that was Oh. It was a lot cooler, but that meant that I was also dealing with customers and got pretty good forearms though digging out frozen ice cream for four hours, five hours a night.
And then I might have learned from that part that I didn't wanna deal with people probably. So Mhmm. But, yeah, that was the the first job. I don't really know if I have any crazy stories from there. I mean, it was it was late. You know, it started probably five and then be done at midnight or 01:00
[00:49:56] Unknown:
usually after cleanup. Some late night ice cream. Late night ice cream. I don't know. You ever been to a race track or anything like that? No. I've I've seen them though. I've always wanted to go. I walked on there was some auto show in Charlotte that was on the the raceway there, the NASCAR track there. Dude, those those turns are steep. I don't know if you've ever walked on a NASCAR track. It's like straight up wall. Yeah. It's crazy. They have high banking.
[00:50:23] Permanerd:
Yeah. Berms. The berms. Nice. Yeah. It's a I mean, it is what it is. Some people like racing. Some people don't like racing. I was kinda brought up even before, you know, I from the time I was probably two years old until I was 18 every weekend during the summer. That's cool. I was maybe 16. Yeah. But, yeah, I was up at this track and lots of good friends. Yeah, I was I remember just sitting there, if I was bored as a kid, I'd be doing I'd take my Legos with me, just be playing Legos. Mhmm.
[00:50:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, when I was younger, did a lot of motocross stuff. So I I love racing and the dirt, you know.
[00:51:05] Permanerd:
It was it like my life for at least a few years. This track is like But Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no. Yeah. You can go ahead. Was gonna say this track is a it's I think it was a three eighths mile clay track. Mhmm. And so towards the end of the night, it would it would dry out, and people would have ski goggles on and and masks over their face. Like, just got they'd just be so dusty. You couldn't even see sometimes. You just end up just I mean, you're just covered in clay dust by the time. Yeah.
[00:51:37] Unknown:
No. That's cool. I mean, in terms of car racing stuff, I always liked watching F1 racing for some reason. I'm not sure why. I always liked the design of those cars. They look cool. I think our friend on Oster, Kidwarp,
[00:51:49] Permanerd:
he watches a lot of that too. I've seen, yeah, I've seen his notes about that. Yeah. I mean, the technology involved and just the the aerodynamics.
[00:51:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's amazing. Yeah. They're they're wild, man. Zero to 60 in, I don't know, half a second. It's crazy. And just stick to the stick to the
[00:52:09] Permanerd:
yeah. Track too.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
Yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, I love that stuff. I don't watch it. I barely watch TV as it is, but when it's on, like watching it. I would always go for a, what was his name, Kimi Reichenen.
[00:52:24] Permanerd:
German. No. Not German. No. Finnish. Finnish. Kimi Raikkonen. Yeah. That's a Kimi Raikkonen. Yeah. And then if anybody's listening in Finland, What does that mean? How are you? I'm
[00:52:41] Unknown:
trying to remember what it is in Japanese. Oh, There
[00:52:46] Permanerd:
you go. Now we should get some Japanese listeners as well.
[00:52:52] Unknown:
I only know, like, three things. I did. I had to
[00:52:56] Permanerd:
I did have a a bit of Finnish. I was there for a while, but it's that's a hard that's a hard language. Very, very difficult.
[00:53:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I never I never think about Finnish. It's a language you don't think about. Nobody thinks about. So there's other languages Yeah. You don't think There's like the only thing that's There's like 50 other languages we don't think about.
[00:53:20] Permanerd:
The only thing that's remotely close to Finnish is Hungarian. Oh. So, yeah. Finnish is weird, man. There's there's no conjugations, so it's like or there's no what is it called? Like, participles maybe? Or what the like, instead of saying on the table or under the table, what it whatever that is. Somebody help me out. This is an abomination.
[00:53:44] Unknown:
I'm not an English major. This is an abomination. Yeah.
[00:53:48] Permanerd:
But the word the word is conjugated for all those things. So I think the average Yeah. Like, the word is probably 14 letters. Some of them are, like, 21 letter words. Uh-huh. It's it's nuts.
[00:54:00] Unknown:
Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Speaking of Hungary, I've actually been there. I got my first massage in Hungary. Just In Hungary? One of the yeah. In Budapest. Nice. Beautiful country. Eastern Europe is a weird vibe, and I like it.
[00:54:19] Permanerd:
I would like to get over there sometime. You know, I'd like to go to the Czech Republic and Hungary. I mean, I Yeah. We gotta Turkey would be cool too if this is available. Turkey would be cool. I would love to go see, what is that archaeological
[00:54:30] Unknown:
site, Gobekli Tepe. That'd be really cool to see. I'm I'm so into stuff like that. It'd be really cool to see. I wanna go to Egypt. Mhmm. And if I do go, I have to go in the pyramid. It's a must.
[00:54:41] Permanerd:
Into the can you even go in the pyramids anymore?
[00:54:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah? I'll bring, what's his name? Graham Hancock. Get his get on his tour. Yeah. He's got a key to the city. Yep. Climb to the top of it.
[00:54:58] Permanerd:
Cool. Well, we're, we're almost up to an hour here. There's a couple of things I wanted to mention. I wanted to thank Reed, and he made an order and used the Yada promo code, which I haven't I haven't set I haven't set up a Yada promo code, but he put it in there, which is is pretty nice. So Cool. Thanks, Reed. And also the the local Bitcoiners podcast and and their website, which I haven't been able to spend a lot of time on, But they're doing some pretty pretty cool things about meetups and integrating their website with Noster and kinda just creating a portal almost to have meetups be more more visible and and out there. So thank you guys for putting that out. It's cool. And they had some nice things to say about our podcast on their last last episode. Oh, last kind. Nice.
[00:56:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Speaking of meetups, I'm going to one later tonight, so that should be really fun. I just like being around other people that are smarter than me in this stuff and just kind of actually be in person and discuss things. I mean that's the real proof of work right there.
[00:56:23] Permanerd:
Do you think you you get the most out of it? Out of going to a meeting? It's
[00:56:28] Unknown:
a good question. I think a few things. I really enjoy just kind of being with people I don't see very often, but people I can connect with. I think there's some important aspect there that for me personally I need to do more of. So I personally enjoy doing that. And then also, I bring my Oshi stuff, the butter and whatever I've got with me. And I get people to actually use their lightning to purchase real things in the moment and actually exercise that. It's been helpful for other people in the group to do that. I've had to help a couple people figure it out because they've never done it before. It's an educational thing too. It really helps I don't know, solidify more understanding, I suppose.
And yeah, it's good to just go out and be social and be a leader and teach people. It's kind of what I get from it. Yeah. It seems like there's a lot of them are
[00:57:28] Permanerd:
almost markets where people, you know, will bring bring products. And and it's also interesting to me how many kinda OG Bitcoiners or just people that have been in the game for how you know, for a while that don't have a Lightning wallet or don't use Lightning at all. Mhmm. Yeah. So have you you've found quite a few of those that you've onboarded to Lightning? Or Yeah.
[00:57:58] Unknown:
There was one lady two two Meets ago. She was using Aqua Wallet and I've never I have it actually. I just I've never used it. So she had funds on chain and we're trying to figure out how to to create the transaction from the on chain, but you could just do the swap into Lightning using the liquid network, which I'm not, you know, the best in understanding completely right now. But, yeah, I I just think that using the Lightning Network for payments is just so much easier. Even though you should use on chain, but I think on chain transactions are a lot better for larger amounts. But, you know, you can still use it for $50, $100, especially now with the fees being so low. But, yeah, it was good to go through that and teach her how to do that, do the swaps and understand the difference between on chain and Lightning.
Because a lot of people don't
[00:58:52] Permanerd:
even know the difference. So Well, is. I I find it I was talking to a friend who, you know, I traveled through part of the shitcoin journey with before. Mhmm. I mean, kinda like everyone has done or a lot of people have done just to to get to the I had ETH. To get yeah. I've had I don't wanna talk about it. But, anyway, he was over. We were playing cribbage, and we're talking about about it. We hadn't talked for a long time, and I told him that I was Bitcoin only now and and then brought up the Lightning Network and and, you know, how fast it was, just how convenient it was. And he he asked me he had he had really good questions that I kinda struggled to answer as to how exactly it worked. And Mhmm. I understand, you know, opening channels and then that is sort of an octopus effect of if you have a node and I'm paying somebody else and they have a node that's connected to your node and I have a node connected to them or, you know, however, and and it finds the path of least resistance to get to them. But I've also realized that I I don't I def they definitely don't fully understand, you know, how it works and where that comes off chain, but then it's stored on the the nodes in the channels,
[01:00:13] Unknown:
and then it goes back on the chain when you close the channels down. So I I I kinda dropped the ball explaining it as well as it could have been explained. Yeah, no I feel you. I think this is an interesting point though, is that you don't really need to understand every aspect on how these things work because you know, like me and everyone else, we use credit cards. I'm pretty sure most of us don't understand how credit cards work. Like the SWIFT system, for example. I don't think we none of us really understand how that works, but we use it anyways.
So I think there's something here understand that you don't need to understand every aspect on how it works, but to just use it you can just get the fundamentals and leave it as such I suppose. For sure.
[01:01:04] Permanerd:
I'll put another request out there, if anybody has any good information on on how it works or want to try to explain it, because you definitely I agree with you a 100% that you don't need to know, but I also want to know. You know? So it's it's it's a it's a but that's a great part about it. It's a personalization thing. You are the algorithm. You know? If you want to know about it, know about it. If you wanna figure out how to fix your car, you learn how to fix your car or you take it into a mechanic. Mhmm. Yep.
[01:01:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, a lot of people don't even understand how, you know, the spark plugs work in your car. You know? It's like, well, you drive your car. Right? Well,
[01:01:45] Permanerd:
good enough. Well, that's I I bought a a diesel pickup, and I don't exactly know how diesel works. Like, I understand the combustion engine or the gasoline combustion engine, but I understand the the higher concepts of diesel. But as far as the mechanics of it, I've never worked on one, so this should be interesting.
[01:02:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm clueless on the diesel game. So
[01:02:12] Permanerd:
The only reason I thought of that is because it doesn't have spark plugs. So like like vehicles, there's more than one way to skin a cat. And like you're talking about, there's Lightning, there's eCash, there's Cashew. And everybody is developing something different, whether that's on chain Zaps or there's another there's another, not fight, but discussion going on on Noster about some other high level details. But Mhmm. The on chain zap things. They add that, and then there's something else too. But it doesn't matter. I think I'm It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah. It really doesn't matter. You do you, boo.
You do you, boo boo. Cool, man. Well, where can everybody find you, and what do you want them to know?
[01:03:06] Unknown:
Oshigood.us is the website, noster only. I got some fresh creamy, crunchy, and coffee huddle butter going on in the shop right now. And then I also have this preorder for the T shirt. I think there's maybe nine days left on it. So snag it. I'm only gonna print it once. I'm trying to think what else here. I wanna give a shout out to I don't know his personal name. Doesn't matter. But his MPUB username is z v sixteen eighty nine. He purchased some of the jam I made a while ago. He had his wife make some crazy cinnamon roll with it. It looks amazing. So yeah. Awesome awesome wife you got there, my friend. So enjoy the jam. And when you do get some hoto butter or anything else you order from Oshi,
[01:04:01] Permanerd:
make sure you take some pictures and post them up on Noster or anywhere else and let them Try some experimentation with some hoto butter.
[01:04:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I always love seeing what people do with it. I always recommend people dates and the butter just by themselves. And also a note, whenever you do post something on Noster, what I do on my website, take the Noster event string and I put it on the website. It helps validate the proof of butter, the proof of customer enjoying the thing. So share it whenever you got it. Definitely would appreciate it. And proof of an open protocol. Yep. What do got in your shop right now? Are you are you full stocked?
[01:04:43] Permanerd:
I think so. I haven't had a lot of time to do anything with it. Like, I I still need a new website, and it just looks like a third grader did it, which kinda did, I guess. But I'm out of comfrey cream still. I haven't had a chance to to make any more of that. I've got everything I need. Just need the time to do it. Other than that, freeze dried fruits at satsforsnacks.com. If you need help paying with Lightning or on chain or if you're just looking to get into Bitcoin at all, let us know, and we're more than happy to help you out. And, Falu, if you're listening, I'm still working on it. And, again, Reid, thank you. And until next time, just remember that you are the algorithm.
Aloha, and welcome to the YADA podcast where stands for you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and I am joined today by a guitar phenom and my good friend, Oshi. How you doing, man? Doing pretty good. Doing pretty good. Episode seven. Right?
[00:00:43] Unknown:
Episode seven. That's right. A little housekeeping. I see. That's that number follows me everywhere. It's gonna be a good one. I agree.
[00:00:51] Permanerd:
So what is new on your front?
[00:00:54] Unknown:
Well, I mean, today I actually made more butter, so stocked up the shop. Pizza day today. So little bit Bitcoiner meetup that I've got in the town nearby. We're meeting up later, so it should be fun. There's like eight of us. We do it maybe once a month. And I never eat pizza, so this should be should be fun. Do something different. Awesome. For anybody that doesn't know, Pizza Day is
[00:01:18] Permanerd:
credited with being the first Bitcoin purchase. What year was that? 2010. Where somebody who I should know his name Laslow
[00:01:29] Unknown:
something. Yeah. Laslow
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purchased two pizzas from, I think, Papa John's for Yep. $1,010,000 Bitcoin.
[00:01:37] Unknown:
Yep. That's a lot of money now. That is a lot of cheese.
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And they and so he some some people criticize the maneuver and just say that that's a $40,000,000,000
[00:01:52] Unknown:
pizza or whatever it is. Yeah. It's definitely a few million now.
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But, I mean, that helped get the ball rolling as well as far as the circular economy with Bitcoin or this parallel economy anyway. So, I mean, I I say hats off to you, my friend. Definitely. Proof of concept. For sure. And speaking of proof of concept, we had a chat before, and I've had a few friends in real life that have said that they don't understand Bitcoin or they don't understand Noster or that we're chatting at a bit of a too high of a level. And so we wanted to throw it out that if you want to share this with with, quote, unquote, normie friends, and I don't mean that derogatorily.
I just I think everybody knows what I mean when I say that. Yeah. And have them give a listen, and we would love some questions from people just to just for us to figure out, you know, how we need to be discussing things a little bit better to
[00:03:04] Unknown:
I I don't know, what do you mean like to Yeah. To be, I don't know, I think of like asking the market. You gotta ask what the market wants. So what do you wanna hear? What do you want us to maybe clear up and touch on? Because the level of understanding on the things that we talk about can vary. I mean we're probably no experts on Bitcoin or Noser per se, but we definitely use it. But we can definitely break it down to a bit more simple terms, I suppose. Because that's how I personally like understanding things. So maybe that's something that we could do. Yeah. Just to to
[00:03:37] Permanerd:
increase engagement or allow for engagement for someone who might not be comfortable with the Mhmm. With the subjects as much as we are. And then also for whatever else. I mean, for me, you know, there's two things that once I get started, I can't stop talking about, and that is Bitcoin and permaculture. So if you have any questions related to either of those. And I guess I'll throw a nostril in there as well. Mhmm. Yeah. Maybe we should talk more about permaculture. It's something that I'd like to learn more about. For sure. If I mean, we can definitely do that. Maybe for the next episode, I'll try to set something up in the extremely limited time that I have to prepare for this show. Yeah. Or maybe we can make dedicated segments or something. It'd be fun to do. So, yeah, hit us up on Noster or say hi@urthealgo.com.
And all that will be in the show notes. I'm pretty sure the email address is in there. I'll I'll make a note to check it. Yeah. Speaking of the email, I sent a test email. Did you get it? I did. So it does work. The plumbing Cool. Is
[00:04:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I was curious if it works, so that's good to know.
[00:04:58] Permanerd:
So, yeah, this is also a value for value proposition, which means that we put it out. There are no paywalls. There's nothing expected from from anyone that listens. But we do accept any value that you want to give back, And that can be sending an email with a question. And and it's been great. We've been getting, Noster notes boost with questions. Mhmm. And and it's it's awesome. I really enjoy that type of interaction.
[00:05:34] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:05:35] Permanerd:
It's almost just like talking with friends. I mean, it kinda is talking with friends. And so there's that. And then you can also boost from a podcasting two point o enabled app such as Fountain. And for any anybody that is listening that doesn't know, a boost is just a piece of Bitcoin that you can send directly to us. And and that is helping pay for the bills that are incurring from doing this show. Mhmm. So, I mean, we're not we're not begging, but our hand is out. We're passing the donation basket around. Yeah. That hat that I tipped to Laszlo is still there. So go ahead and throw a couple shekels into it.
And so at the beginning, we like to we like to thank people and also read their notes from the boost that we got. And so we'll start with with our friend Logs who was apparently weed eating outside your house for episode
[00:06:40] Unknown:
five, I think. He didn't tell me he was coming over. He just appeared. I was like, oh, alright.
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And that was a 100 tats from from Fountain. And his note just says, just riffin' fellas. Stay hard. Got it. Cool. Thanks, And the next one is $8.87 from our other friend, bullish clips on fountain. And that says, thanks for mentioning takemysats.com. That was smooth, Perma. And I can't say takemy I can't say it anymore without.com at the end. It's just like, ugh. Takemystats.com.dotcom. Yeah. If you're looking for products to buy, to purchase with Bitcoin, go over to takemysats.com and
[00:07:31] Unknown:
check it out. There's he's getting more vendors all the time. It's pretty amazing. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Great little shop to, you know, just get yourself going if you have something that you wanna sell for Bitcoin.
[00:07:42] Permanerd:
Yes. Right. To set up for yourself and to browse because Mhmm. It's I mean, it's pretty diverse as far as the products available. Yeah. New merchants every day, it seems like. And then 99 sats again from bullish clips that says, kakao now. Nice. Then the next one is $4.20 sats from undisciplined. And that one asks, how do we fix the shipping problem? It's
[00:08:13] Unknown:
a good question. I don't think there is fixing it, unfortunately.
[00:08:16] Permanerd:
No. Not until I mean, ideally, it would just be, like, a key pair. Your address would be your end pub. Somehow it just gets to you without any other information. But That would be cool. That would be cool, but impossible, I think. So, yeah, Endusplin, if you have any suggestions, we're we're all ears on that one for sure. Yeah. That'd be really cool actually to introduce that. The devs need to work on that little project next, shipping. Wow. It's devs and logistics as well, you know, like Yeah. Trucking or whatever the maybe I'll just start using a drone.
The next one is 210 sats from Ben D On Fountain, and there's no note attached to that. So thank you, Ben. I think this is the first time Ben has has donated, and it's very much appreciated. So if you have a a note or anything, hit us up, and we'll certainly read it. And then the next one is 1,033 sats from Jim Seaford at Fountain. Nice. And I think this is directed at me as well. It's Seaford in quotes is pronounced Seaford. Because I think I said Seifer, and I realized after I did it too, was like, yeah, that's fine. So thanks for clarifying. Clarifying.
[00:09:34] Unknown:
Your pronunciations.
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Yeah. Exactly. And then and it says, but I answer to Jim or s m I j, which is Jim backwards.
[00:09:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I saw that one. Yeah. Clever.
[00:09:47] Permanerd:
Yeah. And obvious too, if you're looking. And and then he says that he's a big fan of permaculture, mushrooms, I eat veggie hashtag I eat vegetarians, hashtag yada. Yep. That's awesome. It's a great note. Thanks, Jim. And then and then 460 sats from Jim Seifert. Must be a different Jim. Hashtag Yada. Yes, sir. Hashtag Yada. Next one is 330 sats from Noster Value Pack. What? Nice. Yeah. So that's pretty amazing. And then and it says check out n v p n v p, which I'm assuming is Noster Value Pack at www.takemysats.com/nostervaluepack.
[00:10:38] Unknown:
Cool. I think that's our friend Alice that's I doing think so. Well, it's Alice,
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and I think there's somebody else involved too.
[00:10:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Our friend Pam, I think. Yeah. Palmira maybe? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's cool what they're doing. They're bundling a bunch of like Nostril merchants in a discounted basket kinda thing.
[00:11:00] Permanerd:
It's crazy. It's that's it is cool. It's really cool. I've had I know I've seen your products and my products in there, and it makes me smile. Mhmm. Definitely. And so then that that will hopefully be in the show notes as well. I'll make a note of that. And it says use use the promo code for 11% off emojis only, no spaces. And then there's then there's these emojis. It's lightning bolt. I don't know what that is, lightning bolt. So I don't know if you need it's an emoji promo code, which is pretty sweet, but I don't know if is it? I don't know. Let us know. You could do that. I don't know if you can. I mean, I guess it's all it's all ask you when it comes down to it. So
[00:11:49] Unknown:
Yeah. She loves using emojis. I she's always chatting with me, sending those. It's pretty funny. If
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you could clarify that, then
[00:11:59] Unknown:
we'll definitely Dude, you don't speak emoji?
[00:12:04] Permanerd:
No. I was I was born before twelve years ago.
[00:12:10] Unknown:
Yeah. True.
[00:12:11] Permanerd:
I do I do like the occasional emoji. I will say that. Yeah. And Like a good poop? Yeah. Absolutely. Poop emoji or yeah. Anyway, the next one is a 198 stats from ask nine thirty seven again. Nice. And thank you very much. It says hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Thank you. Truer words. You are welcome, my friend. Thank you. And the next one is a 198 from asinine 37 on fountain again. This one's for be from be the hemoglobin.
[00:12:53] Unknown:
And
[00:12:55] Permanerd:
it says this episode was such a vibe from the lightning talk to the outro jam. Two are doing great work. Do you think of Bip one
[00:13:05] Unknown:
Bip one ten, is that the what is that again? I can't remember what that whole discussion is about. I think that
[00:13:12] Permanerd:
is that the one oh my god. This is so it's hard to keep track. And I think that you had mentioned it before in this episode that neither of us Yeah. Are experts.
[00:13:22] Unknown:
Yeah. My mind is blanking on what the hell that even is anymore. Some sort of
[00:13:27] Permanerd:
I don't know. We'll come back to it. Okay. BIP one ten is protecting Bitcoin's purpose, temporary limit the size of data fields at the consensus level in order to correct distorted incentives caused by standardizing support for arbitrary data and to refocus priorities on improving Bitcoin as money. So this sounds like it's a rollback of the last one that that opened up the the data limits. Oh, the OpReturn? The OpReturn data limits. Mhmm. So maybe this is rolling back. And for me, I I find it difficult to keep up with with all of it, and then it ends up being people are just slinging mud at each other. Mhmm. And it's kinda like on Nostril, there there was the on chain zaps.
[00:14:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a note of that. And it's interesting
[00:14:25] Permanerd:
for a little while, and then I just my eyes just kinda glaze over, and I let I let the adults play or, you know, fight each other, and then I just kinda fade away in the background. Yep. And then Bitcoin just marches on. And Bitcoin marches on. That's right. So I'd be interested, ask knight thirty seven, what your take on it is. I mean, if you can enlighten us a little bit more for accurate or just completely talking out our ass. Probably the louder. I would imagine so. I was wondering why my why my breath smelled so bad.
[00:15:01] Unknown:
You gotta floss your teeth, son.
[00:15:03] Permanerd:
And stop talking out your ass. The next one is 500 tats from Ivortola at Fountain. And it says, you guys bring new meaning to the word abominable.
[00:15:17] Unknown:
I think we're the only ones in the entire world that uses that word so frequently. So frequently. I mean, you never hear it outside of like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer movie on TV. Never. That's the only time I've ever heard that word.
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Maybe that's our mascot. We have to
[00:15:37] Unknown:
That might be the good thumbnail for this episode.
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Okay. Oh, yeah. Nice. And then the last one that I have here is another 1033 from Jim Seifert. And it says thanks for the shout out. Hashtag s MIG s m I j, hashtag z APD, hashtag grow noster is my signature of hashtag notes. The first, s m I j, is Jim's backwards. Then there it is, mystery solved. Second, zapped is hashtag past tense of zap. Yes. Okay. I make up hashtags and everyone knows Grow Noster, the hashtag Jack Spearco encouraged way back when on his podcast. Hashtag t s p, hashtag g s d, hashtag l f t n, hashtag s o e. I follow hashtag hashtags to find hashtag people, to hashtag follow, and use hashtag to be hashtag found.
I encourage everyone to use That's
[00:16:45] Unknown:
all in the note? That's all in a single note? That's all in the note. Yeah. Wow. Crazy. Thanks, Jim. Yeah.
[00:16:51] Permanerd:
Thanks, man. Chuckles. That's really funny. Yes. The the grown ostrich thing. That was that was a fun a fun one. I don't know if you listened to the survival podcast with Jack Spierco. Perhaps. It doesn't ring a bell. I probably should. Yeah. It's a good it's a really good one. And a lot of Evergreen episodes. So he basically started the a grown oster. And I I think it was right after David Bennett was on his show telling him about oster. And then Jack put out this GrowNoster hashtag. And I think a lot of people a lot of people joined Noster at that time with that GrowNoster hashtag. So if if you did, let us know. Send us a boost with, hashtag grown oster, and we'll know that that you came over from Jack's show. And then there was There's actually a question. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Was there still more? Oh, no. I was just gonna, have you mention
[00:17:46] Unknown:
Bitcoin Beans also contributing. Oh, of course. Yeah. No. We can't forget him. Yes. So Bitcoin Beans, he sent us a fat zap for the Likeum jar. Never what was the comment? I forgot what he said exactly. Never start a sentence with the word And he sent 10,000 sats. So big ups Bitcoin beans.
[00:18:07] Permanerd:
Very cool. Thank you. Wow. That's a that is definitely our largest contribution to date.
[00:18:14] Unknown:
Yeah. That'll cover half of the domain or not the domain, pothome?
[00:18:20] Permanerd:
Yes. Which I have to pay, actually. I got a bill from Well, thank you, Bitcoin Beans.
[00:18:25] Unknown:
Big contributor.
[00:18:27] Permanerd:
Awesome cacao too. And there's one there's one more that I had saved a note that somebody had sent in, and I'm trying to access from Slopganda. And I'm not really sure how this came across. It came across on Noster, and I don't remember how I saw it, but I did. And it says, nice cold open, a good chuckle, and delightful strumming by Oshi. Excited to learn more about using Noster. Yada is the whole reason I started this music broadcast. Delightful to witness and learn more from y'all. And so that was yeah. So Slap a Slap a Ganda. I haven't had a chance to listen to it, but there's he started a podcast about music, I think.
[00:19:14] Unknown:
That's cool. I'll have to check that out.
[00:19:18] Permanerd:
Yeah. It's and here it's oh my gosh. Yeah. I can't read that right now. I'll try to put that I'll try to put his his website in the show. Yeah. I think that's all the all of those, all the Thank you, everybody. It's the amount of support is awesome, and it's so Yeah. Super cool. So great to hear from from y'all.
[00:19:50] Unknown:
Question came up actually as you were talking about Noster. I had a friend ask me how it is that we even found Noster. I had to think about how I even came across Noster because I had a hard time remembering. So I was curious how you did. You know, I have a real
[00:20:05] Permanerd:
problem remembering how I came to anything. It's Yeah. Same. Bitcoin as well. You know, I've tried to think of my origin story for Bitcoin. And with Noster, I'm wondering if it was maybe maybe the Bitcoin and podcast. I can't remember because it was it's been over three years. So I Yeah. It's you know, that's in nostril terms, that's quite a while. So there weren't a lot of people talking about it, and and I really can't remember. But I I do know that it didn't take me long once I started to realize, alright. This is so much better than everything else and just stopped using any other social medias. And then once you start down the the nostril rabbit hole, you realize just how powerful it is and that it's not a social media. It is can be used as such, but there's so many more opportunities.
[00:21:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of cool features about it. What social media were you using the most before you came?
[00:21:10] Permanerd:
To Twitter. Twitter. Yeah. But mostly I wasn't really active. I just used it for news and brainwashing. Yeah. I like to be brainwashed by
[00:21:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I I will say there is a lot of good, I guess, good news on there. It's primarily just that, I would say. How about you? Where did you come across Noster? I was trying to think about that last night. I think I think I was listening to Jack Mallers talk about Noster a couple years ago on a podcast and I didn't know what it was. I had to look up what the hell, how to even spell it and came across it and I thought it was really intriguing. The thing that really got me the most was that your social graph, your follows, your content, everything like that. You own it. So if you want to transfer to a new client or app as we call it in Nostriland because those are basically you know you can understand different clients as going from Instagram to Facebook.
But say you're for this example, say you're on Instagram and you want to go to Facebook, you can't bring all your followers. You can't bring all the content that you've written. You kind of got to start over. But on Oster you have your social graph that you can take with you and it's maybe displayed differently or there's different features about it. And I found that to be really, really cool. That just, I don't know, that just kind of clicked to me. And then I realized it was all integrated with Bitcoin too and you can actually send micro payments pretty much like frictionless which is really cool.
And I don't know, as a content creator, not content creator but just an artist, a creative, it just makes sense when you really just sit down with it and really understand what this thing is. It's kinda cool. And it doesn't even have to be clients.
[00:23:01] Permanerd:
You can parse that data onto your website or anything else. Mhmm. And you don't need an API k or a p API key from Twitter or from Facebook or, you know, anything else. It's it's just there. And you can just pull that information and use it however you want to. Mhmm. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Freedom.
[00:23:22] Unknown:
It's the closest thing to it, you know, I I would say. And just the uncensorability
[00:23:27] Permanerd:
of it. And if you you know, no one can ever shut you down. Well, I mean, can't say never. But if you run your own relay for instance, which you certainly don't have to do, but if you do, then you can almost guarantee that that your notes will be will be saved at least.
[00:23:46] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. That's that's something I have yet to dive into figuring out how to do. Do you do you run a Relay? I do. And
[00:23:55] Permanerd:
it's just on one of my servers here, but it's not a public re I don't know exactly too. I'm I'm not an expert in that by any means. Yeah. But I set one up just as a way to back up notes that I write. How how'd you do that?
[00:24:09] Unknown:
Is it running on your node? It's running on
[00:24:13] Permanerd:
I think it's it's running on one of the many PCs that I have that are running as servers. I don't think it's on Umbral. I think it's on the other one. So, yeah, I've just set it. It's basically I think it's a Docker image, so you just, install Docker and then and then pull down the the container and then go through the the setup, the configuration.
[00:24:36] Unknown:
Yeah. See, the I can't imagine many people getting to the point of doing that. I think that needs to become a lot easier and kind of behind the behind the scenes kind of thing to do. I don't know. Well, you can also do it on
[00:24:51] Permanerd:
on Umbral though and probably start nine running a Mhmm. What is it? It's not just a a snort, I think. Nostril Relay or there's Nostril Relay. And it's a single click. So I did that before, but I think because my I can't remember why I stopped using it. I probably couldn't figure it out at the time. That's kind of where I was. I just couldn't figure it out. I need to try it though. Yeah. You should try it on you said you have a start nine. Right? Mhmm. Yeah. Just check out start nine. They might have a once click install for the for Relay.
[00:25:26] Unknown:
Yeah, they do. I I saw it on there and I wanted to dabble with it but my I just get busy sometimes and it it requires kind of my attention to really understand what the hell I'm doing before I just kinda mess around. But, you know, sometimes I think you do kinda need to mess around to learn it. So no excuse on my part. Well, that's why it's nice to have you know, there most people that are developing
[00:25:51] Permanerd:
software will have a development computer or a development server to where you can isolate it and just if you break it, it's not a big deal. Because, I mean, if you if you'd bricked your start nine right now,
[00:26:05] Unknown:
it would probably suck. Yeah. I'd have to get an like a separate one to do that kind of stuff. Or maybe build just one of those Raspberry Pi things Yeah. Which is something I wanted to do originally. Yep. That's a that's a good idea as well. Yeah. Just gotta get some some other priorities straight first. Priorities. Yeah. Like, oh, speaking of Leica,
[00:26:28] Permanerd:
we gotta we gotta check the Leica jar stats here. Okay. So another thing that we do I'm saying so a lot too. Maybe I'll throw that on there. Just slap me anytime like so. Absolutely. Yeah. So but the Lycum jar so I did the last two because I don't think I had done five, episode five. And episode five, we had a pretty good split of words. So you you being Oshi had 5,635 words, and that is I guess it would be 15 fillers. I have to take the uhs out because there's still uhs. I'll I'll read the uhs for this time. But filler 16, that's a percentage of point 28%.
One one 14 like. That's fine with me. That's pretty good, man. A quarter of a Yeah.
[00:27:25] Unknown:
I'll take it. Then It can be better. I had 5,537
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words, 15 fillers It's for a point two seven. Basically the same. Zero ums, five uhs, and 10 likes. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty split. Nice. And that was for oh, wait. That was for episode yeah. That was episode five. And then episode six, you had 4,148 words with 14 fillers for a point three four percentage. Mhmm. One two uhs, and 11 likes.
[00:27:57] Unknown:
And I had I like that. Yeah. I I I seem to hover around that ten, eleven. Right. Just getting just into double digits. Yeah.
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And I had 5,272 words with six fillers for point one one, and that was Nice. Three ums, zero uhs,
[00:28:15] Unknown:
and three likes. Oh, you got me on that one.
[00:28:19] Permanerd:
Nice. And we need to get this we need to get this Laikum jar sorted because so far, you've had a hundred and twenty five five that go in there and I've had 54, not counting not counting us.
[00:28:36] Unknown:
Wait. So how much is that? It let's let's do each is $21.21 sats.
[00:28:42] Permanerd:
Okay. So you so you say $1.25 times 20. You're at 2,500 sats. Okay. 1,080.
[00:28:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. We'll we'll we'll contribute some of Bitcoin beans. Awesome. But it would be cool to have, I don't know, some sort of standalone thing on the website or I don't know. We need to figure that out.
[00:29:03] Permanerd:
Agreed. Be fun. Which means we need a website.
[00:29:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I did say I would whip it up. We need to generate some ideas on what we what we want on it, I suppose. We can keep it simple. Just kind of like a stand alone thing. It'd be really funny. We could yeah. I have some like
[00:29:22] Permanerd:
Nice. We just copy someone else's. So the last part for this this beginning of the show, we go over stats from Pod Home, which is where we're hosting. And so they give access to some, what we find interesting, analytics. And so the all time downloads for the show are 3,657, and that Wow. Is from 2,411 unique listeners. And the last three shows for total downloads, the last one, Proof of Humanness, is has been 438 downloads. And then Wow. The next one's five seventy six. And then our our friend Abominable Farewell is at 700 and That's fantastic. Not bad. Yeah. Thank you again, everyone. I really can't thank people enough.
I can't thank people enough for spending their time and listening. And people listen at 08:00 in the morning. That's the most most listened to time. Oh, interesting. It gives you times? It does. And then followed by 01:00 in the afternoon, thirteen hundred hours. And it looks like Android might be losing a little bit of ground. So now Apple iPhone's up to 76%, and Android's only 10. Dirty. Doing me dirty. Yeah. I'm a contributor. Admitting you have a problem is the first step. It's true. So the the highest country by far with 2,459 downloads is United States, followed by Canada with 312, and then great Those are all you. Yeah. Exactly. I also think we're gonna get our numbers up. If it was all me, Android would be higher on the list.
True. And then a 115 from United Kingdom. And now at the bottom with, I'm guessing, one each, we've got Myanmar, South Africa, and Ethiopia.
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Ethiopia.
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And Myanmar. Like, that's I've got a special place in my heart for Myanmar. So if you're in Myanmar, let me know where you're at, and I would love to hear from you. I've spent I've been to Myanmar three times on more of extended stays. So How was it? What'd you do? Well, that's when I was installing well, opened up a school that we had that helped we had donated and helped to build a school with donations. And then I put in three computer labs in rural schools that that had been built, that we'd helped build previously, and then all using Raspberry Pis
[00:32:15] Unknown:
for the entire That's cool. Entire computer lab. So Yeah. I I didn't realize that you did it there. I thought you were doing that in wherever you were in Canada at the time. No. That was in that was in Myanmar. So how is it? It was amazing.
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Because we were going, you know, I would we had trucks with the workers. I was I was cruising around with workers sometimes, and then just with a couple other guys sometimes. And they they wanted or, you know, they're off me to sit in the in the cab of the pickup. And I'm like, nope. I'm sitting in the back. And I just sit in the in the bed of the truck and just driving through the remote countryside in Myanmar to where you'd go past, you know, people that are farming rice or farming. And they would they would look at the truck as it went by and then they'd look back at their what they were doing. And then they would kinda just their head would whip back and look and like, who is this guy in the back of the truck? You know, we don't really see a lot of that type of person coming through here. Yeah.
So it was great. People were amazing. I that was the only time in my life I ate rat, which was interesting. You ate a rat? Ate rat. Yes. So I had talked to my friend Mong Mong Ji there. And and I had asked him, I was like, dude, people really eat rats? And then he's like, yeah, you know, they eat rats. And then the next day, we were in this remote village. And we got there and and they just they they always just splurge on us and have a a huge spread. And, yeah, I was sitting next to him and he's like, that that right there is rat. I said, oh, well, let's do this.
My gosh. That's crazy. It's yeah. It was it was pretty into it, very greasy. But it's not like a New York sewer rat. Right? Like, these are field rats that are eating corn and not dirty baby diapers.
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Yeah. True. That's interesting though. How how was the taste?
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Would you recommend it? Dark. It was kind of like a I don't know. If you've had duck, it's kinda like that. Yeah. Dark kinda heavy cream. That's what I would imagine it to be. So I mean, I would I would certainly give it a go again just to get a second second chance at it. But we have lots of rats just here because we've got so much compost and chicken food and everything else. So but I don't eat them.
[00:34:45] Unknown:
Well, you know, just in case, you're running out of food, well, you got rats. Absolutely, man.
[00:34:53] Permanerd:
Yeah. They're huge They're they're huge. I'd probably put them on a spit, throw them on the Traeger maybe. Oh.
[00:35:00] Unknown:
Tasty.
[00:35:01] Permanerd:
Yeah. Thanks. There. Say it again. Yeah. Stop saying that. And stop saying that. Holy mackerel. I can't even get a sentence out without just filler words. It's ridiculous. Thank you to Myanmar Listen and everybody else. It's it means the world to us. It's fantastic. And I think that'll wrap up the, first part here with the analytics and and thanking everybody that has contributed to this show because it's certainly a contribution if you send in notes or boosts. Yeah. Send in more questions too. And get those Normie questions in, please. Yeah. I mean, I fall on the border of it. And we were all there at one time.
You know, it's easy to think that because somebody because somebody uses Bitcoin transactionally, that there's some sort of, I don't know, genius or superhero. But Yeah. I mean, everybody clicked that send and clenched their butt cheeks the first time, okay, I just sent this Bitcoin to somewhere. Is it going to get there?
[00:36:08] Unknown:
You know, like that's the the I remember that. Yeah. I remember when doing the first on chain transaction, was like, oh my gosh, this is so nerve racking right now. Am I doing this right? Make I'm like counting every single number and letter in the
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And then not knowing what a mempool is, and you know, just like waiting for it to say that it went through, and not even fully understanding that the Yeah. The ten minute block times. Yeah. Yeah. And now we've got lightning payments.
[00:36:41] Unknown:
And now we got e cash, and then we got, you know, so so many other little frickin', I don't know, it's a rabbit hole, can keep going. Instantaneous
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payments.
[00:36:52] Unknown:
I mean It's cool. So cool. It's a lot easier than transacting with sending a credit card payment or and it's so cool. That's why I love Nosser. You can just send micro payments so easily. You don't have to attach your bank account. And I don't know. I don't know how that would that wouldn't even work, would it? I I just don't see how that would be possible
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in that system. No. No. You can't. It's it doesn't work in the fiat system just to send I don't even know what the minimum would be. 25¢? 50¢? A dollar? You know, you can't you can't do micro payments. You can't feasibly send fractions of a penny. Mhmm. Where with Bitcoin Lightning Network, you can you can send somebody one Satoshi, which is one one hundred millionth of a Bitcoin, and is a fraction of a penny. Mhmm. And it's appreciated. Right? Like somebody you get a 5¢ zap on on or a 5 zap on Noster and it makes me smile still. Great. Thank you. Yeah. Someone's sending some
[00:38:01] Unknown:
real proof of work energy, know, it's so cool to just receive just a little bit. You know, it accumulates and you can send it back to someone that is contributing some valuable thing. Instead of just giving a like or a reshare, can actually give them some sort of tangible
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value that they could use. Or a boomer thumbs up.
[00:38:24] Unknown:
Or a thumbs up.
[00:38:26] Permanerd:
So crazy, man. Every time I said even like a text message or something to a certain demographic, it is a thumbs up. Okay. Got it. But there's also something to be said about putting all that down and going out into nature. And, you know, it's it is amazing, and all this technology is, for the most part, I think, beneficial, you know, at least what what we're discussing as far as decentralization and circular economies, parallel economies, and being able to eventually break free from from this trap that is the debt slavery of fiat currency and and just governments in general, and that that overreaching power grab that just tightens and tightens and tightens and never gets looser.
And when you can go out and realize that I am not just a cog in in this system, I am part of part of a world that is is beautiful and more diverse than you could even imagine, you know, and and and grounding yourself. And and I there I don't know. I I was just thinking about this because with you know, when I was when I was growing up as a as a younger child, there were no cell phones. Mhmm. You know, you go outside and you play kick the can or tag or Yeah. Grab two sticks and beat the hell out of each other with them, whatever the case may be. Mhmm. And we didn't have to worry as much about somebody videoing what we're doing.
Right? You could get away with stuff back then. And now there's just this trap of of you're you're being surveilled everywhere.
[00:40:18] Unknown:
Yeah. It's stealing your attention too. It really traps it. Did you ever do anything that that
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I think I know the answer to this, that that if there would have been a a cell phone camera taking video that you probably would have been reprimanded pretty severely.
[00:40:36] Unknown:
I'm
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not sure what you mean by that. Or are you worried about statutes of limitations? No. I mean, we just did a lot of stupid things when we were kids. Just things that, you know, weren't necessarily harmful to other people, but just
[00:40:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I think of I think of some family reunions that my family would have during the summers. I remember one family reunion. I don't know why this comes to mind. We had a trip to Hershey and my cousin, he was a little older than me. He was kind of the mischief punk. And I remember we would go up to where the community kind of building was where they had all the arcade games and stuff like that on the campground. And he had a fishing pole and he put up a dollar bill on the hook and we would lure people when they would come out of the door and they would chase the dollar bill. Was so funny.
This was years ago. I was probably nine and he was probably like 15. But yeah, we would just do stuff like that and we wouldn't record it. We would just just be in the moment doing fun stuff. So I I'm just so appreciative that I actually experienced such pure moments, I suppose. I don't know. It's it's so different now.
[00:41:52] Permanerd:
It is different. And, you know, the my kid is going to be that generation that doesn't know life before Bitcoin as well. Mhmm. So I I I I remember life before Internet, But he's not gonna know life before bitcoin.
[00:42:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I think we were talking about this at some moment. Maybe we weren't recording but, like early cell phones. You know how I had one of those brick Nokia's with the antenna you would pull out and you know, it'd be indestructible this phone. You could run it over and be fine. And I'd get so stoked on playing snake And yeah, I just now, I mean, the phones now they're amazing. The technology's incredible. But I just appreciate those times, those simpler times.
[00:42:41] Permanerd:
And that's where you can still make them happen. You know? That's Mhmm. But it's just it's so difficult because, you know, a parent being a parent can be hard work. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Like, you need to you can't just let the kid go completely feral most of the time. And but you also need time to do things. And it's a a pretty easy trap to get into with just handing an iPad to a kid. And Yeah. You know I don't even know what, just put it on YouTube and let the algorithm Yeah do what it's going to
[00:43:19] Unknown:
you know I see that stuff all the time whenever I'm out at the store, Target, wherever I am and the kid's crying or the parent has the kid watching some crazy looking cartoon show just to like shut them up. I don't know. That stuff really makes me kind of feel weird. What are these guys feeding your kid? It's so crazy. Some of these things that these younger kids watch and they're just glued to it for hours just so the parents can get some peace and quiet. I don't know if that's a good strategy.
[00:43:52] Permanerd:
I think that it would be fairly easy to tell yourself that it is or you know, I need this time and it's a lot easier than than trying to come up with other creative ways to capture a child's attention that don't involve I suppose.
[00:44:10] Unknown:
Yeah, I suppose. Maybe the shows should just be better or something. Give them, I don't know, National Geographic or something. Make them watch Nova or I don't know, some non crazy just from my experience of seeing some some of these shows that these kids are watching, it's just they're weird. Let us know what you what you do.
[00:44:34] Permanerd:
How what are some good ways to keep a child occupied without without a screen? So I mean, there used to not be screens. You would go outside. Go outside, come back at Alright.
[00:44:47] Unknown:
Sounds good to me. Go ride your bike. I I Yeah exactly. I was a big big bike rider. I'd come in at, you know, when the street lights come on. And it's just good times. You don't see many kids. Well, when they're out playing it's a nice sight to see. It's like, alright good. Everything is well.
[00:45:04] Permanerd:
Well, it's amazing how many times we hear maybe we'll be at a a campground or just whatever. And and, you know, our kid, he he laughs a lot. But, you know, I'm a funny guy. How could you not laugh? And to have people come up and they'll say, oh, it's so good to hear the sound of a a child laughing. You know, like, it's something that is a novelty.
[00:45:29] Unknown:
It really is.
[00:45:32] Permanerd:
I've got another question for you. Yeah. Do you have any interesting
[00:45:37] Unknown:
job stories of jobs you've had? Oh, yes. Oh, man. Should I tell the one with the dog groomer? I'm trying to think of some other ones before I maybe share that one. Was your first job? About a
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job and a lesson you learned from it?
[00:45:54] Unknown:
First job I ever had, I was probably 15, 16. Pushing carts at Kroger, grocery store, bagging, that kind of thing. Mostly just bagging and getting the carts and stuff. Lesson learned from that is it wasn't really so much a lesson. Was more of a thing that I noticed about myself is that, I worked pretty hard. I worked pretty well. I kinda gamify the task at hand, like getting the cards. I would gamify. It's like, all right, how quick can I do this? How many can I push? Yeah, like how can I be more optimized to do this kind of thing? I don't know. I just always had that kind of mindset.
Did that for maybe a year. Yeah. And then I had so many other jobs. I cleaned dishes at a pizza place and delivered pizza, did landscaping kind of stuff. And, you know, all I had all the jobs, but the one job that is probably the most hilarious to me is I had a dog grooming job for maybe twenty minutes. And the lady who I was working for, she was telling me, oh, so today you're gonna have eight dogs to wash. And I wasn't getting paid very much for the amount of work that I was doing. And I don't know what came over me. I just said no in my mind that this is not gonna fly. So what I went and had and did was I just went to her and told her, I gotta go to my car real quick. I gotta grab my jacket.
So I just went out to my car and I just left. I never came back.
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The dog is Yeah, still
[00:47:38] Unknown:
he's still there. He's still standing there. He's like, where'd he go? So that was probably my lowest moment. It's not, I mean, is what it is. It was, it was funny, but that's probably my most hilarious thing job wise. I just left and grabbed my I didn't even have a jacket. It was like summer out.
[00:47:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. Well, that's the thing too. It's easier to walk out during summer. Like, oh, look at that. I'd rather be outside. It's like why am I gonna grab my jacket when I have to get wet and wash a dog? You remember what kind of dog it was? I
[00:48:09] Unknown:
can't even remember. The one I finished, it was maybe some sort of golden retriever actually, which is fine. I love golden retrievers, but eight dogs, man. I'm sorry. I can't. Gotta get my jacket real quick. I gotta make some huddle butter. Yeah. I got some shit to do. Oh, I got some stuff to do.
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Kids show. Kids show. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Normies and kids.
[00:48:38] Unknown:
What about you? Crazy stories? Funny stories? Oh, I've had a thousand jobs.
[00:48:44] Permanerd:
The first job that I had was working at a concession stand at a raceway, a dirt track in Washington state with sprint cars. And so I must have been 14 or 15, I think. And the first year, I was flipping burgers and making fries, stuff like that. And I think that job, I I kinda learned hard work and not wanting to work there. Then the second year, I was in the the ice cream part. So that was Oh. It was a lot cooler, but that meant that I was also dealing with customers and got pretty good forearms though digging out frozen ice cream for four hours, five hours a night.
And then I might have learned from that part that I didn't wanna deal with people probably. So Mhmm. But, yeah, that was the the first job. I don't really know if I have any crazy stories from there. I mean, it was it was late. You know, it started probably five and then be done at midnight or 01:00
[00:49:56] Unknown:
usually after cleanup. Some late night ice cream. Late night ice cream. I don't know. You ever been to a race track or anything like that? No. I've I've seen them though. I've always wanted to go. I walked on there was some auto show in Charlotte that was on the the raceway there, the NASCAR track there. Dude, those those turns are steep. I don't know if you've ever walked on a NASCAR track. It's like straight up wall. Yeah. It's crazy. They have high banking.
[00:50:23] Permanerd:
Yeah. Berms. The berms. Nice. Yeah. It's a I mean, it is what it is. Some people like racing. Some people don't like racing. I was kinda brought up even before, you know, I from the time I was probably two years old until I was 18 every weekend during the summer. That's cool. I was maybe 16. Yeah. But, yeah, I was up at this track and lots of good friends. Yeah, I was I remember just sitting there, if I was bored as a kid, I'd be doing I'd take my Legos with me, just be playing Legos. Mhmm.
[00:50:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, when I was younger, did a lot of motocross stuff. So I I love racing and the dirt, you know.
[00:51:05] Permanerd:
It was it like my life for at least a few years. This track is like But Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no. Yeah. You can go ahead. Was gonna say this track is a it's I think it was a three eighths mile clay track. Mhmm. And so towards the end of the night, it would it would dry out, and people would have ski goggles on and and masks over their face. Like, just got they'd just be so dusty. You couldn't even see sometimes. You just end up just I mean, you're just covered in clay dust by the time. Yeah.
[00:51:37] Unknown:
No. That's cool. I mean, in terms of car racing stuff, I always liked watching F1 racing for some reason. I'm not sure why. I always liked the design of those cars. They look cool. I think our friend on Oster, Kidwarp,
[00:51:49] Permanerd:
he watches a lot of that too. I've seen, yeah, I've seen his notes about that. Yeah. I mean, the technology involved and just the the aerodynamics.
[00:51:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's amazing. Yeah. They're they're wild, man. Zero to 60 in, I don't know, half a second. It's crazy. And just stick to the stick to the
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yeah. Track too.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
Yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, I love that stuff. I don't watch it. I barely watch TV as it is, but when it's on, like watching it. I would always go for a, what was his name, Kimi Reichenen.
[00:52:24] Permanerd:
German. No. Not German. No. Finnish. Finnish. Kimi Raikkonen. Yeah. That's a Kimi Raikkonen. Yeah. And then if anybody's listening in Finland, What does that mean? How are you? I'm
[00:52:41] Unknown:
trying to remember what it is in Japanese. Oh, There
[00:52:46] Permanerd:
you go. Now we should get some Japanese listeners as well.
[00:52:52] Unknown:
I only know, like, three things. I did. I had to
[00:52:56] Permanerd:
I did have a a bit of Finnish. I was there for a while, but it's that's a hard that's a hard language. Very, very difficult.
[00:53:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I never I never think about Finnish. It's a language you don't think about. Nobody thinks about. So there's other languages Yeah. You don't think There's like the only thing that's There's like 50 other languages we don't think about.
[00:53:20] Permanerd:
The only thing that's remotely close to Finnish is Hungarian. Oh. So, yeah. Finnish is weird, man. There's there's no conjugations, so it's like or there's no what is it called? Like, participles maybe? Or what the like, instead of saying on the table or under the table, what it whatever that is. Somebody help me out. This is an abomination.
[00:53:44] Unknown:
I'm not an English major. This is an abomination. Yeah.
[00:53:48] Permanerd:
But the word the word is conjugated for all those things. So I think the average Yeah. Like, the word is probably 14 letters. Some of them are, like, 21 letter words. Uh-huh. It's it's nuts.
[00:54:00] Unknown:
Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Speaking of Hungary, I've actually been there. I got my first massage in Hungary. Just In Hungary? One of the yeah. In Budapest. Nice. Beautiful country. Eastern Europe is a weird vibe, and I like it.
[00:54:19] Permanerd:
I would like to get over there sometime. You know, I'd like to go to the Czech Republic and Hungary. I mean, I Yeah. We gotta Turkey would be cool too if this is available. Turkey would be cool. I would love to go see, what is that archaeological
[00:54:30] Unknown:
site, Gobekli Tepe. That'd be really cool to see. I'm I'm so into stuff like that. It'd be really cool to see. I wanna go to Egypt. Mhmm. And if I do go, I have to go in the pyramid. It's a must.
[00:54:41] Permanerd:
Into the can you even go in the pyramids anymore?
[00:54:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah? I'll bring, what's his name? Graham Hancock. Get his get on his tour. Yeah. He's got a key to the city. Yep. Climb to the top of it.
[00:54:58] Permanerd:
Cool. Well, we're, we're almost up to an hour here. There's a couple of things I wanted to mention. I wanted to thank Reed, and he made an order and used the Yada promo code, which I haven't I haven't set I haven't set up a Yada promo code, but he put it in there, which is is pretty nice. So Cool. Thanks, Reed. And also the the local Bitcoiners podcast and and their website, which I haven't been able to spend a lot of time on, But they're doing some pretty pretty cool things about meetups and integrating their website with Noster and kinda just creating a portal almost to have meetups be more more visible and and out there. So thank you guys for putting that out. It's cool. And they had some nice things to say about our podcast on their last last episode. Oh, last kind. Nice.
[00:56:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Speaking of meetups, I'm going to one later tonight, so that should be really fun. I just like being around other people that are smarter than me in this stuff and just kind of actually be in person and discuss things. I mean that's the real proof of work right there.
[00:56:23] Permanerd:
Do you think you you get the most out of it? Out of going to a meeting? It's
[00:56:28] Unknown:
a good question. I think a few things. I really enjoy just kind of being with people I don't see very often, but people I can connect with. I think there's some important aspect there that for me personally I need to do more of. So I personally enjoy doing that. And then also, I bring my Oshi stuff, the butter and whatever I've got with me. And I get people to actually use their lightning to purchase real things in the moment and actually exercise that. It's been helpful for other people in the group to do that. I've had to help a couple people figure it out because they've never done it before. It's an educational thing too. It really helps I don't know, solidify more understanding, I suppose.
And yeah, it's good to just go out and be social and be a leader and teach people. It's kind of what I get from it. Yeah. It seems like there's a lot of them are
[00:57:28] Permanerd:
almost markets where people, you know, will bring bring products. And and it's also interesting to me how many kinda OG Bitcoiners or just people that have been in the game for how you know, for a while that don't have a Lightning wallet or don't use Lightning at all. Mhmm. Yeah. So have you you've found quite a few of those that you've onboarded to Lightning? Or Yeah.
[00:57:58] Unknown:
There was one lady two two Meets ago. She was using Aqua Wallet and I've never I have it actually. I just I've never used it. So she had funds on chain and we're trying to figure out how to to create the transaction from the on chain, but you could just do the swap into Lightning using the liquid network, which I'm not, you know, the best in understanding completely right now. But, yeah, I I just think that using the Lightning Network for payments is just so much easier. Even though you should use on chain, but I think on chain transactions are a lot better for larger amounts. But, you know, you can still use it for $50, $100, especially now with the fees being so low. But, yeah, it was good to go through that and teach her how to do that, do the swaps and understand the difference between on chain and Lightning.
Because a lot of people don't
[00:58:52] Permanerd:
even know the difference. So Well, is. I I find it I was talking to a friend who, you know, I traveled through part of the shitcoin journey with before. Mhmm. I mean, kinda like everyone has done or a lot of people have done just to to get to the I had ETH. To get yeah. I've had I don't wanna talk about it. But, anyway, he was over. We were playing cribbage, and we're talking about about it. We hadn't talked for a long time, and I told him that I was Bitcoin only now and and then brought up the Lightning Network and and, you know, how fast it was, just how convenient it was. And he he asked me he had he had really good questions that I kinda struggled to answer as to how exactly it worked. And Mhmm. I understand, you know, opening channels and then that is sort of an octopus effect of if you have a node and I'm paying somebody else and they have a node that's connected to your node and I have a node connected to them or, you know, however, and and it finds the path of least resistance to get to them. But I've also realized that I I don't I def they definitely don't fully understand, you know, how it works and where that comes off chain, but then it's stored on the the nodes in the channels,
[01:00:13] Unknown:
and then it goes back on the chain when you close the channels down. So I I I kinda dropped the ball explaining it as well as it could have been explained. Yeah, no I feel you. I think this is an interesting point though, is that you don't really need to understand every aspect on how these things work because you know, like me and everyone else, we use credit cards. I'm pretty sure most of us don't understand how credit cards work. Like the SWIFT system, for example. I don't think we none of us really understand how that works, but we use it anyways.
So I think there's something here understand that you don't need to understand every aspect on how it works, but to just use it you can just get the fundamentals and leave it as such I suppose. For sure.
[01:01:04] Permanerd:
I'll put another request out there, if anybody has any good information on on how it works or want to try to explain it, because you definitely I agree with you a 100% that you don't need to know, but I also want to know. You know? So it's it's it's a it's a but that's a great part about it. It's a personalization thing. You are the algorithm. You know? If you want to know about it, know about it. If you wanna figure out how to fix your car, you learn how to fix your car or you take it into a mechanic. Mhmm. Yep.
[01:01:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, a lot of people don't even understand how, you know, the spark plugs work in your car. You know? It's like, well, you drive your car. Right? Well,
[01:01:45] Permanerd:
good enough. Well, that's I I bought a a diesel pickup, and I don't exactly know how diesel works. Like, I understand the combustion engine or the gasoline combustion engine, but I understand the the higher concepts of diesel. But as far as the mechanics of it, I've never worked on one, so this should be interesting.
[01:02:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm clueless on the diesel game. So
[01:02:12] Permanerd:
The only reason I thought of that is because it doesn't have spark plugs. So like like vehicles, there's more than one way to skin a cat. And like you're talking about, there's Lightning, there's eCash, there's Cashew. And everybody is developing something different, whether that's on chain Zaps or there's another there's another, not fight, but discussion going on on Noster about some other high level details. But Mhmm. The on chain zap things. They add that, and then there's something else too. But it doesn't matter. I think I'm It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah. It really doesn't matter. You do you, boo.
You do you, boo boo. Cool, man. Well, where can everybody find you, and what do you want them to know?
[01:03:06] Unknown:
Oshigood.us is the website, noster only. I got some fresh creamy, crunchy, and coffee huddle butter going on in the shop right now. And then I also have this preorder for the T shirt. I think there's maybe nine days left on it. So snag it. I'm only gonna print it once. I'm trying to think what else here. I wanna give a shout out to I don't know his personal name. Doesn't matter. But his MPUB username is z v sixteen eighty nine. He purchased some of the jam I made a while ago. He had his wife make some crazy cinnamon roll with it. It looks amazing. So yeah. Awesome awesome wife you got there, my friend. So enjoy the jam. And when you do get some hoto butter or anything else you order from Oshi,
[01:04:01] Permanerd:
make sure you take some pictures and post them up on Noster or anywhere else and let them Try some experimentation with some hoto butter.
[01:04:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I always love seeing what people do with it. I always recommend people dates and the butter just by themselves. And also a note, whenever you do post something on Noster, what I do on my website, take the Noster event string and I put it on the website. It helps validate the proof of butter, the proof of customer enjoying the thing. So share it whenever you got it. Definitely would appreciate it. And proof of an open protocol. Yep. What do got in your shop right now? Are you are you full stocked?
[01:04:43] Permanerd:
I think so. I haven't had a lot of time to do anything with it. Like, I I still need a new website, and it just looks like a third grader did it, which kinda did, I guess. But I'm out of comfrey cream still. I haven't had a chance to to make any more of that. I've got everything I need. Just need the time to do it. Other than that, freeze dried fruits at satsforsnacks.com. If you need help paying with Lightning or on chain or if you're just looking to get into Bitcoin at all, let us know, and we're more than happy to help you out. And, Falu, if you're listening, I'm still working on it. And, again, Reid, thank you. And until next time, just remember that you are the algorithm.
Opening banter, Pizza Day and the Laszlo story
Proof of concept and inviting normie questions
Permaculture plans and ways to contact the show
Value-for-value, boosts, and how to support
Reading boostagrams: notes, jokes, and shout-outs
BIP-110 chat, on-chain data limits, and community debates
Hashtags, GrowNoster, and signature sign-offs
Big zap from Bitcoin Beans and more listener notes
How we found Nostr and why it clicked
Owning your social graph and Nostr relays
Laikum jar filler-word stats and website ideas
Show analytics: downloads, listeners, and countries
Myanmar memories: schools, Raspberry Pis, and trying rat
Micropayments on Lightning vs. fiat friction
Screens, kids, nature, and attention traps
Job stories: first gigs, lessons, and the groomer getaway
Racetracks, dirt, and motorsport nostalgia
Languages, Finland, and travel wish list
Shout-outs: orders, Local Bitcoiners, and meetups
Teaching Lightning at meetups and on-chain vs. LN
Explaining how Lightning works (and why you dont need every detail)
Where to find Oshi: HODL butter, tees, and proof of butter
Permas shop updates and closing reminder: you are the algorithm
