In this third episode of Yada, Oshi and I kick things off with a Pink Floyd nod (Fearless!) and dive into our value-for-value journey—reading boosts, shout-outs, and community notes from Nostr and Fountain. We unpack our “Lykem jar” accountability experiment for filler words (complete with a DIY transcript/audit workflow), share listener-inspired topics, and talk about using Stacker News for discussions and polls. We also cover our podcast setups—from mics, interfaces, and backup phone recordings to editing in Audacity and GarageBand—and how we publish via Podhome and Podcasting 2.0.
From there, we celebrate early download stats, marvel at Domus showing up in our player analytics, and encourage listeners to reach out at sayhi@urthealgo.com. We spotlight the circular Bitcoin economy on Nostr, from soap and syrup to ghee and honey, plus tools like TakeMySats for quick shops. We close with product updates (comfrey salve, freeze‑dried fruits, HODL butter, chocolate), an on-chain overpayment lesson in responsibility, and an open invite to pitch topics, vendors, and causes for our donation “jar.”
Join us on Nostr: Oshi (npub1uzt238htjzpq39dxmltlx60vxym9fetk9czz6kddq6fhvkf4z3usy9qtrh) & Permanerd (npub1zqdpzty2mshxncqqxy2078qax6mlehsxmpx5095wtxw4tpepkr0s2ce6fj)
Send an email: sayhi@youarethealgo.com
[00:00:00] Permanerd:
Cool. So maybe we go, three two one. Something. You say the hill's too steep to climb. Well, welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm where we attempt to climb those unclimbable hills. You pick the place. We'll choose the time. I'm Permanerd, and I am being joined by my good friend, Oshi. Oshi, how you doing? I'm doing good, bro. Glad to what is this? Episode three? Episode three without an an a b, hopefully.
[00:01:43] Oshi:
Yeah. Let's let's hope so. The bar is moving on my end, so I think we're good.
[00:01:48] Permanerd:
Nice. And that was you, I believe, playing us in there. Yes, sir.
[00:01:57] Oshi:
I said I believe, but I was pretty sure. Well, they you know what they say about belief. What's that? Oh, I thought you knew.
[00:02:05] Permanerd:
It's more of a question than a statement.
[00:02:08] Oshi:
It's a co on.
[00:02:10] Permanerd:
So what what were you playing there?
[00:02:12] Oshi:
Do we ever remember the name of that Pink Floyd tune? Saw a metal? Gosh. What is the name of it? Was It actually one of the first acoustic songs I ever learned how to play way back when. Pink Floyd is my my favorite band of all time.
[00:02:25] Permanerd:
Yeah. But I don't know the name of many songs. I can sing along, but as far as I know money and time, I know those ones, but the rest of them just, you know, the albums just sort of mix together.
[00:02:38] Oshi:
Yeah. Let me let me look it up real quick as you're talking through here. Was it metal? Right? Yeah. I'll know it when I see the track list. Let me see here. Oh, okay. Fearless. Fearless.
[00:02:50] Permanerd:
Nice. Of course. Yeah. Classic. Just like Bitcoin. Fearless.
[00:02:55] Oshi:
Truly.
[00:02:57] Permanerd:
As you said before, this is this is episode three and it is a value for value podcast that we're putting out. And so we'd like to upfront thank anybody that has given any value and that includes just listening and especially sending notes or communicating in any other way and passing along. There's so there's few people that have been renoting on on Noster, which is which is nice. And another way to do it is to use a podcasting two point o enabled podcast player and stream stats or send boosts, which we did get some from last episode.
And the first one that I see here is a row of sticks, one one one one from Eric FJ, and it says, thanks. And then there's Noster NPUB, which I'm looking at, what is it? Helipad right now. And so it doesn't doesn't do the Noster NPUBs. But it says shout out, gentlemen. Would love to have you on some time and vice versa. Would love to be a guest on Yada to chat about decentralized marketplace on Noster. That would be fun. That is that is fun. That is fun. What's the name what's the name of his podcast again? I I quite like it. I remember listening to the one where he I think he mentioned the both of us. Absolutely. And I've I've listened to all of them so far and and they are good. He does it with with SYNC.
That's s y n c not s I k future reference. I think it's called decentralized marketplace. Sorry Eric we'll figure that out and give a shout out. Yeah I can't remember. I like it though. Absolutely. And then there's a couple tests from me again. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just, I'm trying to boost the stats maybe. And then
[00:04:59] Oshi:
Inflation, dude. That's right.
[00:05:01] Permanerd:
Maybe those go into the jar. But we got 721 from Rev Hoddle who is a Noster Bitcoin legend.
[00:05:11] Oshi:
Awesome. Yeah. Is. And
[00:05:13] Permanerd:
his note says, you don't need sponsors. Fug them. Spread the signal. Fug them. Spread the signal with podcasting and simultaneously let people know what you have for sale. Looking forward to more recordings from Ocean Permanerd. Very cool. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks, Rev. Yeah. Thank you. And then a thousand sats from Chad f. Legend. Yeah. Absolutely. And then a shout out to another Nostrad N Pub which I believe was sir Spencer if I remember seeing this on. Awesome. And then a 100 from undisciplined. Oshi, your cohost might be using those strange European units to measure gas prices.
[00:05:56] Oshi:
Yeah. I remember that conversation. It's really funny. It's it's it's close. It's
[00:06:01] Permanerd:
Canadian units, Unleaded, And then we got from the first episode, you are the algorithm decentralized everything, our Yada origin story which the title was generated by AI from Pod Home. We just went with it. And that's another row of stakes one one one, and that's from DeLorean. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Of the the bull after bull podcast. And she also does a podcast with Mary Kay Ultra about decentralized music called Homegrown Hits.
[00:06:38] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. That's right. Check those out.
[00:06:40] Permanerd:
Her message is decentralized food plus plus. Everyone needs an jar but I may never recover financially. Alright. We'll put it in the jar.
[00:06:55] Oshi:
20 sets.
[00:06:56] Permanerd:
That's right. And then 500 for that same episode from code 27. And it's sad to say, but Waze is also a Google product. Cool thing about Graphene OS though is you can create another profile that has Google services and switch into that one if you need something from their services like maps. Oh. We were talking realized you could do that. Yes. I think you can do that on regular Android too is create different profiles. It seems like a lot of work but worth it if you can do this because that we are this has come from the conversation about graphene OS and and map products that are worth you. Mhmm. So thanks code 27. And that was on fountain as well.
And then for the FUGM, the last episode seven seven seven from 1776. It's Nice. So cool you guys started to show congrats. And congrats to you, my friend, for having the opportunity to listen to us.
[00:07:53] Oshi:
Appreciate your years.
[00:07:55] Permanerd:
And that 1776, I think he is in Canada as well, actually. I think so. Yeah. Mhmm. I don't know where about though. I don't know. A 100 sats from user 30842181 on Fountain. Much love to the circular economy. So thank you semi anonymous. Thank you. Thank you. And a 100 sats from Gray Ruby with no no message, so that is also appreciated. And I think that wraps it up. And thank you everybody that contributed and just remember that anything that you want to do, we love to hear from people. Also, to give ideas for topics to discuss or anything else that questions you have, anything you want to know.
Both of us, I think, are fairly well rounded as far as knowledge goes and
[00:08:49] Oshi:
You caught me. I mean, it's a bit yeah. It depends what domain. But, yeah. I'm open to talking about anything, though. Yeah. Perfect.
[00:08:59] Permanerd:
You wanna talk about engineering and stuff? Or Well, we can we can talk. We can talk about whatever, whether we have any clue what we're talking about. Well rounded in knowledge though? I
[00:09:10] Oshi:
don't know. I try. Definitely try. I was gonna I was gonna say go ahead. Sorry. Oh, no. I was gonna do you're you're good at at making music or playing music and making some incredible food products. So and that's pretty well That's true. That's that's well rounded in that for sure, I would say. I was gonna also say, an interesting source for asking questions and chiming in and stuff on podcast stuff is Stacker News. I know I attacked you a few times on some mentions from, I think, undisciplined. I think he mentioned the podcast over there a couple times. It might be worth checking out. Stacker News. Awesome.
[00:09:47] Permanerd:
I do have an account and I have I wrote something on there about the a freeze dryer that Cypher Bill maybe Bill Cypher Mhmm. I think asked me to write after I think I had it three years and so I wrote a write up on there. It's just not something that I've really made time for or have time to do. If it yeah. It's more of a long form article Mhmm.
[00:10:13] Oshi:
Platform. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I find it pretty useful. I've been using it for a while for some other stuff, but great place to post questions and just participate in other questions and earn some stats along the way too. So Cool. It's a good place. Do we have a
[00:10:30] Permanerd:
a specific
[00:10:31] Oshi:
I don't what do you what do you even call it? Account for the podcast? I think you I think you would have to sign up with your I mean, you can sign up probably a a couple of different ways, but no, to answer your question, not for Yada. But I have one for Oshi, and I think you have one for your personal. Yeah.
[00:10:47] Permanerd:
Does We Does it use it can you log in with Nostr on? I don't remember. Mhmm. I think you can. Yeah. You can also log in with with your Lightning
[00:10:56] Oshi:
wallet or something. I've never done it that way, but, we'll have to look. Oh, damn it. I said it.
[00:11:02] Permanerd:
That's interesting because that brings us to the Lykem jar, which is our way of trying to clean up our speech patterns while while talking. And so we both agree It's true. It is true. We both agreed to put in 20 stats for every, and like that we say that's out of context per episode or during the episodes. And I also so I spent maybe too much time creating a docker image, which which pulls, right add point it to the audio. It creates a transcript and it then counts all the ums and likes that are out of context that are filler Yeah. Gives us an audit. Yeah. Exactly. And then then what I do is I had it write to write a markdown file in Obsidian and so now it automatically updates that file per episode and and Genius. Yeah. It's it's pretty fun. It's so fun. And then and so the the last episode was and I also had to count words too just just for fun and I I talked way more than you did last episode. That's okay. That tends to be the way. I'm kind of a quiet fellow but So you had 3,648 words with 37 fillers and that equals 19 ums, nine uhs, and nine nine likes.
And that comes out to 1.01%
[00:12:44] Oshi:
of your words were filler. Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad. We gotta find some statistics of like global usage of that word. That might be interesting to find. Nice average.
[00:12:56] Permanerd:
Yeah. Just listening to people, it's gotta be 30%.
[00:12:59] Oshi:
Yeah. I wonder. We should look into that or if anyone knows, chime in. Absolutely, there's some value to return. Somebody check out what
[00:13:07] Permanerd:
the average number of filler was We need to know. Percentage wise is. I mean, we're asking the hard hitting questions when it comes down to it. You won't find it anywhere else. And so that that there it was. I think I might add add an there. Oh. Times two factor. That's right. The I had 6,138 words. I wonder if it counts because I don't remember how I did it because it it oh, it the the model that I used to create the transcript also puts names to so that's how I know I also put in the transcript and it sorts out whether you said it or I said it. And so I'm wondering if maybe it got it gave me the the song too perhaps for the words. Oh, true. That interesting.
What model were you using? Yes. I was using a model. I can't remember what it is. I think it's a whisky. She was quite cute. That's right. Ukrainian, I believe. Oh. Blonde? Is there any other kind?
[00:14:15] Oshi:
True.
[00:14:18] Permanerd:
6,138 words, 26 fillers for a percentage of point four two and that's four ums, three likes, and my go to 19.
[00:14:30] Oshi:
Oh. I don't think I used the very
[00:14:33] Permanerd:
much. Not as much as I did. I think you could try harder.
[00:14:37] Oshi:
I'll try. There. I just do that. Just put something in. And so this Just think of Beavis and Butthead. Absolutely. Horrible impression.
[00:14:49] Permanerd:
Oh, so the the point of the the Lykem jar is to fill it up with sats and then find somewhere donate
[00:14:57] Oshi:
donate that. Yeah. I was also thinking for that we could, there is a good one. We can maybe make a list from, you know, people that could subs or, you know, give a list of recommendations to us, and we could put it on, like, a randomized wheel kind of thing. Oh, nice. And select it that way. Just an idea. Or even do a
[00:15:20] Permanerd:
do a poll
[00:15:22] Oshi:
on Noster or something and see what Could you can you do that? Can you do voting polls on Noster notes? I'm not sure if you can. I guess on some clients. You can. With Amethyst, I'm not exactly Before it was
[00:15:35] Permanerd:
that you'd have to pay SATs in order to contribute to the poll. And and it was it was based on how many SATs that you paid.
[00:15:45] Oshi:
So it's not really a good Well, this is something that you could do on Stacker News though. You can post polls on, Stacker. So that might be something to do there. But yeah. Just an idea. I like it. Absolutely.
[00:15:58] Permanerd:
And I I have a note here that somebody was asking about the recording setup that we have. Mhmm. And so I thought we could discuss that for a little bit if you want. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be fun. You wanna go first? Sure. I have a computer and a microphone. It's got buttons. It's got buttons and knobs. And it's got a speaker too. I done got a speaker. I done got it.
[00:16:27] Oshi:
You wanna deal with, a country song in the back of it? But
[00:16:32] Permanerd:
then my processor broke and my microphone got stole. I tried to use my computer, but it was way too old. I turned the switch, I flipped the knob. This podcast is not working out, so I'm gonna have to get a job. But really. I really hope that other people have as much fun with this as we do.
[00:17:02] Oshi:
We are just here to entertain each other, I think. So that works out. For sure. I like I like bringing the guitar in now for the episodes. I think it's fun. Absolute. I'll keep it to a minimum, but I don't mean to interrupt you. That's that's alright. I'm
[00:17:14] Permanerd:
I'm used to being interrupted. I have a family. What what I have is well, first, let me say that if you wanna start a podcast, just do it. Just start it. Do it on your phone. Do it however you can. I mean, you can record audio Exactly. On Exactly. Sweat shops, you mean? No. Not that part. But Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, the just do it. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. And and so you can record audio just about anywhere. And then if you have a iPad, a phone, or whatever you can do to to get a digital copy of of sound and you can create a podcast that way. But the way that I have, I just have a a ThinkPad running Linux Mint which I record using Audacity which is an open source audio program and then I also edit audio in Audacity and it's a extremely powerful free software which is the way that I like to go and then with these free software's it's nice to every once in a while donate to, you know, just contribute to the developers because that's the only way that they're making money at this point.
And and you can get some some professional quality programs as well. So that's that part, Audacity. And then I have a Samsung q two u. I just had to look at the side of my micro for a microphone, which then plugs into what it'd be a not a a preamp. What's the what's the thing you hook? Yeah. It's just like a like a little interface. So I have a it's called a Euphoria UMC four zero four HD, which is more than what you need. I had have another one too but it only had one microphone input and so I wanted to have the ability to have two people up to four now but so then it goes into there and then that just connects to the computer via USB And then I have a a set of of headphones.
And as far as make show notes, I use Obsidian, which is a very powerful note taking mind mapping It's next level. Program. Yeah. Exactly. And what I'm doing now, which is just redundancy, is recording via there's little DJI lapel mics basically. And so I'm recording on my old cell phone just to get make sure that the audio after the second episode of this, if you wanna know more about that, go back to that episode. Can you do a? And so that's just the the redundancy. And then we go to pod home. And so the way it's been working is that, oh, she sends me his audio and then I try to sync it up and add any music at the end that we're putting in. And usually that's that's about it. And then, upload it to pod home and then it distributes it through the podcast index and then all the pod player are pod catchers. Is that still a thing? Podcast catchers, podcast players? No idea. They they pick it up and then it goes into your ear holes. And I think that is I think that's about it for me. I think I think the whole podcast or the setting up of podcasting and publishing side is kind of a whole episode
[00:20:51] Oshi:
in and of itself aside from mic setup and stuff. I think that's kind of I don't know what the original question was. Maybe that was their question. I'm not I have no idea. No. I'll I'll just that's I'm I'm good then. We basically, that's just how it's distributed. But You did it. Good job.
[00:21:09] Permanerd:
So, yeah, what about your setup?
[00:21:11] Oshi:
It's pretty simple. I'm using a Mac. I got a Mac Pro 14 inch. And then for how I record the audio is is that I have a Focusrite Scarlett two interface, I think this is. And then I have my microphone is just an AKG what is this? C two one four. It's kind of little fancy. I have these microphones just from recording amps and stuff from back in the day, so this is, like, the only thing I have right now. Works fine. So it's going into the Focusrite Scarlett, and then the cable going out is USB. And then I have a converter that goes into USB C that goes back into the computer, which is recording into GarageBand.
It works fine besides that one time that I messed it up, but I'm not gonna do that again. And then because of that mess up, what I do now is I record as well on my iPhone. So and that's going now just in case, you know, something happens. And like you were saying before, the the audio quality on these phones are just fine. They work you don't you don't need to go out and buy a fancy mic like I do or anything like that. You can literally just record it on your phone, put it on your computer, maybe EQ it a little bit. You know, it doesn't take too much. Add some compression and you're on your way. It's better to just keep it simple. You don't need to overthink this kind of stuff. But, yeah, it's my setup. It's nothing too crazy, but it works. And regarding the mic through the interface, it needs to be powered for my case anyways. I'm not sure if you can use a non powered setup for a mic. I mean, you could probably just use a I mean, I have another mic. It's kind of one of those clip on ones where you just kind of put it into the quarter inch jack on your computer, but I wouldn't be able to hear you. So and then my headphones are actually going into the Scarlett unit as well.
Oh, man. I just said one. 20 size. The headphones are what are these? Sony yeah. The classic MDR seven five zero sixes. You they're just kind of studio headphones. I've had probably three pairs of these now. I just wear the crap out of them, but really solid headphones. Pretty cheap. Good quality. And, that's pretty much it. The I I think having the backup recording with the phone is a good play. So maybe that mess up that we had before was a good lesson. I don't know. Yeah. Well, like we said, it was it's nice that it was the the second episode when Yeah. One strike. I'm
[00:23:40] Permanerd:
out. There was also another program which which I use I used in the past. I haven't been able to figure out how to get into this work. Sounds about right. But it's called it's called Sounddux, s o u n d u x, and that's another open source. And it's a a soundboard, a digital soundboard, so you can put all your sounds in there and then just hit Oh, do we have that working? I don't. I haven't. No. I had I might be able to get it on my end, but it'd be nice to get it to where you can That'd fun. As well. I'll add it to my list. I can just do them on guitar. There you go.
Another thing that we that we were doing is giving stats on the last episode. Let's run the numbers. That's right. Shout out. Shout out, senior Bennett. Salute you. We have two episodes in the can as they say. And for the first one, there's been a total of 328. Was that downloads? And for the second one, we are sitting at exactly 500 down. No way. That's crazy. The last time I asked you, it was, like, three seventy or something. That's awesome. It is awesome. Thank you, everybody. We made the 500 club. And Yeah. Special song for that one. Oh, hey. This is this is crazy again. Alright. So this part's not crazy. 95% on mobile, 4% on computer.
But then the top 20 podcast players and websites. Number one, oh, I just threw up my mouth a little bit reading it, Apple podcast. And then number two, and that's at 40.91%. And right behind it at 40.05% is Domus. Domus again. But how how is it so high? Somebody please figure out how in the world Yeah. Somebody please let us playing podcast. Let us know. And if we That's interesting. Can the same thing be done with with Amethyst? Because if that's true, then I would be I'd be using Amethyst to listen to Mhmm. To podcast.
And then 15.1%
[00:25:40] Oshi:
for fountain. Nice. That's where I listen. That's where I listen too, but it's it's so flaky on my phone for some reason. Maybe it's counting it for when a user I mean, I I don't know. When a user clicks the link on Domus and it opens into Fountain,
[00:25:56] Permanerd:
maybe that's counting the I don't know. I really have no maybe. Somebody hit us up. Has a clue what what they're talking about. 86% Apple iPhone.
[00:26:06] Oshi:
I'm
[00:26:06] Permanerd:
a contributor to that. Sorry. I know you are. I think we might just sever this relationship. Listening in 33 countries, number. United States is way up there than Canada, UK, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, Sweden, Puerto Rico, and then down to last one is looks like maybe one in India one download in India, one in Taiwan, one in Morocco, one in UAE. If you're in any of these countries, let us know. I wanna hear I wanna hear from somebody from Taiwan, please. Yeah. That's so cool. Oh, and we did get a an email, at address, not an email. I made that sound like we are cooler cooler than we were. You got me all excited. Exactly.
I don't remember what it is, though. Yeah. I don't either. Oh, there it is. No. I found it. It is sayhi@urthealgo.com.
[00:27:05] Oshi:
Nice.
[00:27:07] Permanerd:
Say hi. So now we have an email address. Send us an email if you are or a note on Noster. But if you're in anywhere, send us an email. Somebody send us an email. Yeah. Tell us, what we're doing horrible at. No. Don't do that. Is
[00:27:23] Oshi:
Tell tell us what we're doing awesome at. Do I sound desperate enough or what? Please. No. You sound okay. You sound Canadian. Send me an email.
[00:27:31] Permanerd:
No. If it was Canadian, it'd be, oh, send us an email. Sorry. Sorry. Send us an email. Sorry. So sensual. Sorry. Sorry. Suri, send us an email. Suri boot that. Suri. Suri, guys. Wally World's closed. Nice. Another thing I wanted to mention was speaking of of mister Bennett before of the Bitcoin and podcast, I just wanna give it a shout out to the Circle P, which we're both part of along with quite a few Bitcoin accepting businesses, including Bitcoin beans and kid warps vanilla shop. And I think we can't even name them all. Soap miner and Too many. Yeah. Just all these fantastic products.
And so if you listen to the Bitcoin and podcast, he he does a circle p every every show, and you can usually get a promo code as well for these places. But what we were going to do is imitate that and bring a vendor of the the day, vendor du jour if you will. Who we got? Oh. So does that count as one or is that like three as? That's like 16, dude. I don't I I hadn't gotten that far. I just wanted to try to remember to do it. Let's do a shout out great ghee. Great ghee. Great ghee. Cool. Definitely. Great ghee is a ghee is a clarified butter where it's heated up and all the impurities are removed.
And I cook with ghee every day. I cook eggs. Basically, anything that I put into a pan to fry, I use ghee. And
[00:29:25] Oshi:
so, yeah, check out Ghee is Go for it. Go ahead, sir. No. No. Sorry. There's a little delay. No. No. No. No. No.
[00:29:33] Permanerd:
No. No.
[00:29:35] Oshi:
I was just gonna say, ghee is great. Ghee. And great ghee is greater.
[00:29:40] Permanerd:
And I think it's what is it? Ghee.greatghee.com? Greatghee.com. We are just, like Hell of a domain he's got. Greatghee.com. Sick. We, are about as unprofessional at this as we could possibly No. That's his domain. Promise. No. No. That part yeah. That part you got right. The rest of it, they're fumbling through all these things. They're gonna pee. Okay. Anyway,
[00:30:03] Oshi:
great ghee. No. It's a great product. Great let me take over. No. Great ghee is awesome. Honestly, I did, some of his, oh, there's two right there. Sorry. Some some of his product photography back when for his new jars, which look great. Definitely recommend the product. Ghee is great. You can also use it for skin stuff. You can moisturize your hands and your feet and, you know, use it for that. Sometimes ChapStick if your lips are a little chapped from doing whatever you're doing. Grigey.dotcom.dotcom.
[00:30:35] Permanerd:
Use promo code Yada to receive nothing. But
[00:30:41] Oshi:
I'm a fade out.
[00:30:43] Permanerd:
Yeah. Use use promo code Yada and just let him know that we mentioned. Yada. Another thing that I was Speak Oh, go ahead. Oh, no. No. Go ahead. I don't wanna come up with 6,200 words again to your measly 3,200.
[00:30:57] Oshi:
I
[00:30:59] Permanerd:
like when you talk, though. I like the way you talk. I like the way you sound, boy. Get over here, boy. Alright. Go ahead. Thanks. Now I wanted to just mention something that that happened on on Noster. And if you're not on Noster, get on Noster. We won't go into it. Wait. Is this drama? No. Not at all. A diatribe about Noster, but just just look it up. N o s t r. It's free. You are the algorithm there as well. But on there, I had come across there's a an account that I follow called FL Justin, which I'm guessing is Florida Justin.
And he had a picture of a refrigerator stacked full of what looked like, air what is it called? When you take the air out of a bag, vacuum sealed, pecans or pecans depending on where you're at. And and I had just he hadn't mentioned anything about selling them. And so I re re noted it and just threw it out. Hey, anybody want to buy some of these? And it came around to, to you, which I know you'd said that you but were I just wanted to emphasize that, that network effect and that circular economy and how if you have something, if you have a product, then look at selling it for Bitcoin because there are people that are looking to to continue this, the growth of the the circular parallel economy that is Bitcoin for for quality products.
So I mean, if you if your if your product is crap, don't bother. But but if you're doing something that you're doing something good, artful, you know, it is, there is a good chance that there's a market for it. And especially, I mean, I think that Noster's the best way to go about it. And maybe maybe stacker news like you were saying as well, but just just get it out there. Let's let's grow this and there's there's a lot of space for for everyone.
[00:33:10] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, that's how Bitcoin thrives is the network itself. Right? So definitely contribute what you have to offer. And especially if you think of it yourself as valuable, just share it. Know? You'll never know until you actually try it. Because that's kind of how I really got on to Nasser was, you know, before Oshi, I had a different brand name and I wasn't selling it for Bitcoin or anything. And then one thing led to another and I realized I have all these glass jars still. Let me see if I can get rid of them. And at this point, I was on Nasser just for my personal one. And, yeah, I thought of a different name for the brand and just kind of ran with it. Here I am a year and a half later and it's just it's really funny. I I laugh at it every time I think about it. About, you know, just how I got here and where things are at and calling it Huddl butter. It's so funny that I have this name for the butter, but it's it's stuck. It it, like, it works, you know. So, yeah, if you got a thing of value, just try and and bring it to Nosser. Sell it for Bitcoin. You want, like, you know, the hardest money for the amount of work that you put into your thing. You don't want anything less. At least that's that's how my mind thinks. So Absolutely.
[00:34:20] Permanerd:
And if you are looking to buy products for Bitcoin, you know, Noster is is the place to be in in both sides of the the transaction because there are I mean, even just today, I found another one on Noster. Let me see. It's, another, honey company. So there's, you know, there's probably at least three people selling selling honey on Nostril. And soap. And and yeah and there's several that are selling soap and maple syrup. There's at least two that are selling maple syrup. And so there is you know the it's that competition breeds Free market. Greatness.
Yeah. Free market. And, yeah, join. If you need if you need help with any of this, even if you've never experienced Bitcoin before or you're interested, hit us up with that too. And and either one of us would be more than happy to to walk you through how to get your first Bitcoin. I mean, hit me up and I'll I'll send you a couple stats just to get you started. That's Get your your
[00:35:24] Oshi:
your palate wet. Mhmm. Definitely. I always get excited when people come and ask me questions about, you know, Nasser or how I set up my shop and stuff. I'm always more than happy to help and share because, I don't know, you're you're spreading the value. That's the whole name of the game. So, yeah, hit us up. Absolutely. And check out takemysats.com.
[00:35:44] Permanerd:
I'm pretty sure that is. And and that is that's our our good friend who is it created a shop, bullish bitcoiner, and Mhmm. Set up a shop and I I think it's all taken care of and you just sort of add your product and
[00:36:01] Oshi:
Yeah. It's there. It's kind of like a Shopify but built on Sats and Noster, I guess. Not Noster necessarily, but it's a website where you can actually set up a shop and it's you can accept Bitcoin. And I think you can actually pay for your shipping as well if I'm not mistaken in Bitcoin.
[00:36:18] Permanerd:
Nice. I I wanted to look into that. I just I've got my my minimal setup right now, and I just haven't again
[00:36:25] Oshi:
Yeah. I've I've made a couple sales on that just to try it out, and it it works. It's amazing what he's building. Because he came from Shopify to begin with, I believe. I think so. I think he made his own shop, but maybe you're right. Yeah. I think he was What's really funny is that I I Shopify was something I'd never want wanted to use. I wanted to steer clear away from that. So I I applaud him for what he's building. Absolutely.
[00:36:51] Permanerd:
There are ways.
[00:36:52] Oshi:
There are ways. There are ways. Sometimes it's kinda tricky. I remember, excuse me, early on when I was trying to set up shop and stuff, he was the one that helped me build the first iteration of the website. And it was I'll admit, it was kind of confusing. But as time goes on, this stuff gets easier, I think, naturally. So it's a good time to, you know, hop in. And if you have something to sell, start with the website that we're talking about. What was it called? Take take Take my Take my stats. Yeah. Definitely check it out. It's it's worth it to just, you know, see how it works and just dive in. Sure. And if you have if you have a product,
[00:37:33] Permanerd:
hit us up with that too. You know? Maybe as soon as we figure out a name for our Circle P that isn't a direct stealing for the name from the Bitcoin and podcast, then, you know, we can we can promote it. We've got hundreds
[00:37:49] Oshi:
of listeners according to Pod Home. That's not bad for three episodes.
[00:37:54] Permanerd:
Well, and I was just looking at my my Noster account. And as of April eleventh, I've been on Noster for three years.
[00:38:02] Oshi:
Happy birthday, dude. Yes. Thanks.
[00:38:05] Permanerd:
And the reason I brought that up is because it also, I can't remember what it was some site that I had found that because it's not super intuitive to find when your first note was. Mhmm. Because I've got quite a few and I'm not gonna scroll all the way through them and wait for them to load. But it was it's had also it gives you the number of quote unquote followers that you have. And I was at 4,200 or something like that. And I'm pretty sure that about 95% of those are bots. So Probably. I still just tell myself that people like me just so I can go to sleep at Yeah.
Well, I like you. I appreciate it. That's all that really matters.
[00:38:51] Oshi:
That's actually just important side note about Noser is it's not about the follower count. I don't even bother looking at the follower count. So I think it's interesting to consider that for people that are coming from, you know, Instagram or wherever, where they're so concerned about the follower number count. That that doesn't matter on Nostril. Like like the show says,
[00:39:14] Permanerd:
you're you are the algorithm. Like, you control exactly who sees your stuff, who's not allowed to see it, and it's more pure. So don't worry about the follower count. Absolutely. And what you see, you know, that's a that's Mhmm. What you see. Important too is that a lot of people when you when they come to Noster, which is used as I mean, we're we're we're talking about right now, we're talking about Noster in the kind of the form of a social media where you have the followers, but no, there's so much more than that, but that's kind of the main usage right now. And when you start, you have, there's no, there's nothing. It's just a blank screen.
And then you curate it how you want to. And I mean, if you, like, I don't know if you're on Instagram and you have a, you have a 100,000 followers, I don't even understand what that's good for. I mean, you're gonna be selling something obviously, you're making money on the back end somehow. But to have and then maybe you're following them all back because yay, you followed me. I'm popular. I followed you back. You're cool. But then High five, bro. Yeah. But then what does your what does your feed look like? You know? There's this it's all there's all noise. There's no signal. Yeah.
[00:40:29] Oshi:
There's there's that, and the the thing that gets me the most, and I think Twitter is the same way, is that whenever you log in and you find a post that you like and somehow, you know, one thing or another, and you flip off that screen, you you're trying to find your way back to where that post was, you can't find it. It's like it totally resets to some other other feed and you can't find that post again. It's it's so annoying. So Nasser, it's literally who you follow is just what you see and that's what I love about it. So I think x is the same way. You you see a post and you just refresh the thing and it's like this whole other feed that comes up. It's still like the most annoying thing. Yes. The the algorithm just kicks in again and It's awful. Flushes itself out and puts what it wants you to see now.
Yeah. It's so frustrating. Yeah. I haven't
[00:41:15] Permanerd:
I've I've I've nothing else. I I was I used Twitter for news and stuff before and would post every now and again, but I haven't even since I got onto Noster,
[00:41:27] Oshi:
I haven't even looked looked back. Good. Yeah. I I still have an Instagram account for my other photography account, but that that's why I know this. That's what I was saying before is it's it's still like that. It's so it's so bad. I I I have every time I go into it, I just have this feeling that just overwhelms me of just wanting to get out. I wanna get out. It's just so I don't know. You're just bombarded with stuff that you never even followed and this I don't know. I mean, some of the stuff that I do see though, like a lot of the graphic design stuff is really cool. I I do like that, which kind of lacks what I see on Nostr.
So there there is a quite a difference, but in terms of your mental clarity, I just feel so much better using Nostr, personally. And I think you can agree to that too. And many other people that are Nostr can attest to that. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:42:18] Permanerd:
It's almost like withdrawals I think though where people come over to Oster and they don't have that instant dopamine hit of somebody like this. And you are, unless you're someone that already has a following or know, like Joe Rogan comes or at whomever, but it's Paul Saldino?
[00:42:40] Oshi:
He's on Oster. You familiar with him? Oh, never mind. Feel like that.
[00:42:45] Permanerd:
But you're you're you're starting at the bottom, you know, like you're that sounds that sounds pretty stupid, but you're starting from scratch. How about that? Where now you can build whatever you want. You can You're not stuck into whatever influencer role you are at. This is what this is a bit of a side tangent, this is what I like about going to different places where I don't know anyone and nobody knows me. And then you are the person that you are. You know, there's no preconceptions about who you used to be and
[00:43:24] Oshi:
And then it's also an opportunity to create someone
[00:43:27] Permanerd:
new at the same time. Well, exactly. And that new person is the person you are right now at this moment. Whereas when you're hanging out with other people that you've known for a long time, there's all sorts of prejudice and pre preconceived notions about, you know, the way you were five years ago, which if you're the same person, then good on you. But I'm not and I never will be probably the same person I was five years ago because the main goal in life for me is to keep learning and evolving and not fall into this rut of this the person I am and I'm super rigid about it. Yep. If you're not growing, you're dead. Right? Something like that. That's right. So get on Nostr and become the person that you are, that you will be and that you've always wanted to be.
How's that? That? That was Oh,
[00:44:16] Oshi:
love it. Post. Snip that. I will I will say, I think when you sign up for Noster from Primal, I think you're given some people to or rather suggestions for people to follow. I'm pretty sure that's the case there. It's more like the easy way to onboard on Sinostra. It's fine. But I think for new users, I think they would appreciate that route, you know, for if they're not tech savvy and they wanna go and use Amethyst or or what's the new one? Wisp. Wisp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Primal would be a good, you know, way to just dive in. Well, even with with amethyst amethyst
[00:44:55] Permanerd:
amethyst amethyst? Amethyst. They you can you can upload, I believe, or point to follow lists now. Okay. And so you can find you know, I think there's a permaculture one. I'm sure there's a, you know, Nostril vendors, just whatever type of whatever type of follow list. And so I think you can look those up and then and then just add them to your your client
[00:45:22] Oshi:
and have that I I forgot that there was those follow list. Who was it? Was it Kali that made those? I I don't remember who it was that made those was it follow.me or something where it was a bunch of, you know, categories
[00:45:36] Permanerd:
of things, people that you could follow automatically. It's pretty cool. Maybe we should find that and maybe link it or something. Let see me if I can find it now. Yeah. There's other other people doing it as well, I think, unless they're just just showing the actual list. I haven't gone into it because I'm pretty happy with the way that I I find people and, you know, I'm pretty happy with my Yeah. Same. My algorithm
[00:45:58] Oshi:
which is Same. Me. Yeah. Some people I see I mean, I haven't seen it lately, but I've seen people complain about their feed and stuff and I just think of mine. I'm always excited to hop in and see what's going on. My my follow people, my followers, and people that I follow, I I enjoy seeing it every day. It doesn't really get old. I I try not to stay in there too long. It's more of, like, you know, tap in, tap out, but it's fun. Yeah. Absolutely. And I don't usually feel dirty
[00:46:27] Permanerd:
after I Yeah. Exactly. But if I did, I would use soap miner soap to get myself clean. Oh. So I'll It's great soap. I use it I use it for my shampoo as well. Nice. Nice. The the problem with I don't wanna say that as a problem. But being up in Canada, it's the the the shipping is what is incredibly difficult for me. I mean, sometimes the shipping costs more than the actual product.
[00:46:55] Oshi:
Yeah. I had a guy on Stacker News that wanted to try some of the new chocolates I made the other day, which I did sell out
[00:47:03] Permanerd:
Sell out. It's
[00:47:05] Oshi:
okay. It's fun. But, yeah, it was kind of a bummer that he was in another country and the shipping was way more than the price of the product itself and, you know, it is what it is. Thanks to UPS.
[00:47:16] Permanerd:
I know. And that's where I offer ship free shipping on all my stuff to The US and Canada. And I don't think I'm making any money on any of it.
[00:47:29] Oshi:
Well, you're putting all that time into it. So, I mean, you should at least try. Yeah. I know. I need to find time to You can't give everything yourself for free. I was thinking about that for myself earlier today of just like how much work I've I put into this. And I'm always happy to give stuff free and discounts and things like that. But at the end of the day, you're putting in your time. And it is you know, people see value in what you're doing, so you don't wanna spread yourself too thin. You don't wanna give everything away. Yeah. Absolutely. It's not much of a I so
[00:47:58] Permanerd:
my my my son is starting to grow. He's been playing baseball for a couple years but now he's starting to catch on a bit. He's getting he's getting much better. And with the baseball culture comes baseball cards. And so Oh, nice. He's been getting interested. And, unfortunately, I gave all my cards from when I was a kid away
[00:48:21] Oshi:
Same. Just because I had a bunch. Yeah. So
[00:48:24] Permanerd:
we went to we went to the it said retro games on it, and it's a store around here. So we didn't know what it was. We went in, and they had a bunch of Pokemon cards, which I don't know anything about. And Nice. Magic the Gathering, don't know anything about. But we were in there for a while and just chatting with the the guys in there. And and we were walking out and he has some some cards that are not worth anything. But he said, maybe I could sell him some some of my cards. And he said, I've got this card. It's a dollar.
You know, I could get a dollar for it. Said, well, but that's not how it works. Know, what what do you how do you think that they that it works? Know, what how much do they give you? And he's like, oh, they probably have to give me more than that and then sell it. I said, yeah, That's not usually the way that business you don't buy high and sell low. It's not the way the business works. So I need to take my own advice basically. It's a great way to to end a business. Yeah. Absolutely. Drive it right into the
[00:49:27] Oshi:
My last Yeah. I used to have a bunch of baseball cards as well. You still have them? No. No. I kinda wish I did. I had bunch of like Pokemon cards as well back in the day. It was cool. Some nice holographic ones but I know you have no idea about Pokemon. But it's okay. I still like it. Thanks. The only thing that else that I had to
[00:49:46] Permanerd:
to mention for myself is that there was I I had an order. It was a a few weeks ago, and it was paid on chain. Mhmm. And I don't think I talked about something, but she somehow, the lady that ordered it had paid it was I don't know if it was quadruple, maybe more. The maybe the 6 yeah, the actual price somehow. Because with BTC pay server, it sends out an invoice and then you pay the invoice. So I'm not really sure how she managed to pay so much more than what it was. And and then I received an email saying, oh, yeah. This happened.
And it was just it was just kinda funny. And I was just thinking about all of the, you know, with with Bitcoin, you do have to you do have to be a little more careful with it because, you know, if she would have made this purchase and been overcharged using a credit card, then she can cancel the payment. The credit card's going to ensure that, you know, she's not scammed in that manner. Right. Whereas with Bitcoin, if you do send it to someone and the transaction goes through, there's nothing you can do to get it back. That's right. And so I Teachers yeah. Teachers responsibility ultimately. So I sent an email back saying, oh, that's a good lesson for you. Bye.
Kept it. No. No. I mean Bought more mangoes with you. No. I I did. We just kind of laughed at it and I sent it back to her, but it was just a, you know, you do have to take care with it as that these transactions that you make with Bitcoin are one way and it's not coming back unless the person that you sent it to is willing to send it back. Yeah. You're a good man. That was the point of the story, so I'm glad you caught on to that. No. Definitely. Someone zapped that man. So do you have anything else? There's a so and an in there. Nice.
Oh.
[00:51:59] Oshi:
What about oh. Oh. It's not quite. What do I got? I actually added a new discount code in the shop for the Oshi shop. Can you guess what the code is? I'm gonna go with
[00:52:16] Permanerd:
Mada. No. No. No. No. Jada. No. No. No. Sa Sada. Sada. Oh. You're warm. You're super warm. Tada?
[00:52:24] Oshi:
It's Yada. Yada. I should've known. You silly goose. Come on. Yep. Go to shop, put in yadda, save some sats if you want. No pressure. But, yeah, I thought I would add a, you know, little fun discount code. Nice. I was thinking about that as Yeah. Made some more butter today, creamy and crunchy. I think there's maybe three of the creamy left. I had someone buy four jars, and then I think there's seven of the crunchy. There's not much. Yeah. I think that's all there is in the shop right now. So use Yada. Check it out. Appreciate the support. And that yeah. As well, I wanted to make a point since I'm saying all this now is I really, really appreciate everybody that's, you know, picked up stuff over the course of the past year and repeat customers. It's amazing. So thank you, guys. I I really do appreciate it. And because Oshi is such a terrible salesperson,
[00:53:17] Permanerd:
his website is oshigood.us.
[00:53:20] Oshi:
Oh, how silly of me. I thought it was oh, gosh. Oshigoodoshigood.us. Nice. Cool. What's your website? What do you got going on? What's
[00:53:31] Permanerd:
in stock? I think I've got everything in stock. I've I've re upped on pineapple. Pretty pretty short on comfrey salve. Haven't been able to make some more of that. It's getting out there too in in the nostril sphere, which is pretty cool. And that is There's That's I mean, that let's I'm gonna I'll promote that this time. Grab some some comfrey salve. It's great for any skin ailments. And like you were talking about too, if you just have dry skin or something, it's organic olive oil, which has been the comfrey leaves, freeze dried comfrey leaves, and then it's infused into the olive oil and then a bit of beeswax to firm it up a little bit to make it into a a nicer cream.
And Cool. Comfrey is an amazing amazing plant, So it does a lot of healing. And even on on deep you don't want it on deep cuts, but it's it was called bone knit, and they would use it in the middle ages before I mean, even up until probably the eighteen hundreds before pharmaceutical companies came and called natural remedies alternative medicine.
[00:54:42] Oshi:
Yeah. Like Neosporin.
[00:54:44] Permanerd:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what we we used to use, you know, especially with a with a kid that's grown up and toddler and, you know, there's cuts and scrapes and bruises and everything else. And so Right. We used to use Neosporin until I started making this comfrey salve, and now it's just it's a replacement for for all that stuff. And I also wanted to mention too is, you know, I've got products that are up. And the reason that they're they're in basically the five packs for the freeze dried fruits and then a two pack for Five pack? Yeah. That's what the for the the freeze Because dried it's the only way that I've found with the way that I'm set up now. I need to I need to fix my website.
But to make to make it worth shipping. Mhmm. And so it's a two pack of Comfy South. But if if anybody's interested in mixing and matching, just let me know. I mean, I'd have no problem giving one of each and putting maybe I should just do that. Just put
[00:55:43] Oshi:
Do it. Just do it. Yeah.
[00:55:46] Permanerd:
I'm a Reebok guy. But if anybody, New Balance but but if anybody wants anything like that, a customized anything, let me know. Or have an or have an idea for for another freeze dried product. I'm I'm keen to basically, again, we're just going back to just send us an email. Won't you please please reach out? Is there anybody out there?
[00:56:14] Oshi:
Oh, side note. Little, tidbit of something that I want to work on is, jam. I wanna make a blackberry jam soon. Revealing that here. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. The blackberries are growing here, They're coming in maybe a couple more weeks, so I wanna make a jam. You're gonna have blackberries in a couple weeks? Wow. Crazy.
[00:56:33] Permanerd:
Yeah. Call them May berries because they grow in May. So And that's a a legitimate blackberry with thorns and all that good stuff? Mhmm. Yep. I pricked my fingers. Wow. Crazy. Our our blackberries up here don't come in until probably September. That's the last berry usually around here is the we've got the Himalayan blackberries,
[00:56:54] Oshi:
and, I mean, they're they're really good. They will destroy you when you're picking them. Yep. But they're they're really late. Yeah. Well yeah. They're I I'm keeping an eye on them. They're they're growing here now. I'll give them another two weeks, I think, and then they'll be ready. So Okay. I've never made jam before. Do you think I should use pectin for it or not? Because I've seen other ways where people use without it, but I kinda I'm kind of going after the nice textural thing. I think using a little bit of pectin would be I think so because isn't pectin is made from from pork anyway, isn't it? I think it's a gelatin from or is that gelatin? I mean, it's also found in plants. I mean, some fruits as well. So it's like a natural thing, but I don't know about pork. Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not might be gelatin,
[00:57:38] Permanerd:
but sure, man. Carrageenan.
[00:57:40] Oshi:
Great ghee. Great ghee. Greatghee.com.
[00:57:44] Permanerd:
That's right. You can make some great ghee jam. Woah. I don't mean to blow your mind. Alright. You're giving me crazy This is what I do. I give away million dollar ideas and then stay broke.
[00:57:56] Oshi:
That's because you live in Canada. Yeah. That's that's true. Your your margins are eaten by the 12% tax.
[00:58:03] Permanerd:
And 12% tax and Trudeau and oh, wait. Is he gone? He is gone. Last I saw, he was I think he was dating Katy Perry or one of those old. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Just said it. There you go. That might be time for us to wrap it up. That that was that was a worthy one. Fuck him. Fuck him. That was a worthy Cool. Well, where can everybody find you?
[00:58:28] Oshi:
Nasser only. Can find me there. Website, oshigood.us. Also, consider using the promo Yata, y a t a, discount. No pressure. And that's really it. You know? Just two places. Keep it simple. What about you? Same. Noster and Sats,
[00:58:46] Permanerd:
the number4snacks.com. And our our Noster N Pubs are should be in the show notes for every every episode. And I think that is about it. Do you want to
[00:59:00] Oshi:
play us out? Should I play us out? Yeah. Should I play us out? This is, Alice's Restaurant. I'm not gonna sing it, but we gotta find or I have to find who sings this. Was it Guthrie? Garro Guthrie is the same? Anyways, thanks for listening.
[00:59:38] Permanerd:
Yada. Arlo Guthrie.
[00:59:40] Oshi:
Arlo Guthrie. Thank you. Shout out Arlo. He needs to be on Austria. Rest in peace.
[00:59:50] Permanerd:
Sorry. And stop. Sick.
Cool. So maybe we go, three two one. Something. You say the hill's too steep to climb. Well, welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm where we attempt to climb those unclimbable hills. You pick the place. We'll choose the time. I'm Permanerd, and I am being joined by my good friend, Oshi. Oshi, how you doing? I'm doing good, bro. Glad to what is this? Episode three? Episode three without an an a b, hopefully.
[00:01:43] Oshi:
Yeah. Let's let's hope so. The bar is moving on my end, so I think we're good.
[00:01:48] Permanerd:
Nice. And that was you, I believe, playing us in there. Yes, sir.
[00:01:57] Oshi:
I said I believe, but I was pretty sure. Well, they you know what they say about belief. What's that? Oh, I thought you knew.
[00:02:05] Permanerd:
It's more of a question than a statement.
[00:02:08] Oshi:
It's a co on.
[00:02:10] Permanerd:
So what what were you playing there?
[00:02:12] Oshi:
Do we ever remember the name of that Pink Floyd tune? Saw a metal? Gosh. What is the name of it? Was It actually one of the first acoustic songs I ever learned how to play way back when. Pink Floyd is my my favorite band of all time.
[00:02:25] Permanerd:
Yeah. But I don't know the name of many songs. I can sing along, but as far as I know money and time, I know those ones, but the rest of them just, you know, the albums just sort of mix together.
[00:02:38] Oshi:
Yeah. Let me let me look it up real quick as you're talking through here. Was it metal? Right? Yeah. I'll know it when I see the track list. Let me see here. Oh, okay. Fearless. Fearless.
[00:02:50] Permanerd:
Nice. Of course. Yeah. Classic. Just like Bitcoin. Fearless.
[00:02:55] Oshi:
Truly.
[00:02:57] Permanerd:
As you said before, this is this is episode three and it is a value for value podcast that we're putting out. And so we'd like to upfront thank anybody that has given any value and that includes just listening and especially sending notes or communicating in any other way and passing along. There's so there's few people that have been renoting on on Noster, which is which is nice. And another way to do it is to use a podcasting two point o enabled podcast player and stream stats or send boosts, which we did get some from last episode.
And the first one that I see here is a row of sticks, one one one one from Eric FJ, and it says, thanks. And then there's Noster NPUB, which I'm looking at, what is it? Helipad right now. And so it doesn't doesn't do the Noster NPUBs. But it says shout out, gentlemen. Would love to have you on some time and vice versa. Would love to be a guest on Yada to chat about decentralized marketplace on Noster. That would be fun. That is that is fun. That is fun. What's the name what's the name of his podcast again? I I quite like it. I remember listening to the one where he I think he mentioned the both of us. Absolutely. And I've I've listened to all of them so far and and they are good. He does it with with SYNC.
That's s y n c not s I k future reference. I think it's called decentralized marketplace. Sorry Eric we'll figure that out and give a shout out. Yeah I can't remember. I like it though. Absolutely. And then there's a couple tests from me again. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just, I'm trying to boost the stats maybe. And then
[00:04:59] Oshi:
Inflation, dude. That's right.
[00:05:01] Permanerd:
Maybe those go into the jar. But we got 721 from Rev Hoddle who is a Noster Bitcoin legend.
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Awesome. Yeah. Is. And
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his note says, you don't need sponsors. Fug them. Spread the signal. Fug them. Spread the signal with podcasting and simultaneously let people know what you have for sale. Looking forward to more recordings from Ocean Permanerd. Very cool. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks, Rev. Yeah. Thank you. And then a thousand sats from Chad f. Legend. Yeah. Absolutely. And then a shout out to another Nostrad N Pub which I believe was sir Spencer if I remember seeing this on. Awesome. And then a 100 from undisciplined. Oshi, your cohost might be using those strange European units to measure gas prices.
[00:05:56] Oshi:
Yeah. I remember that conversation. It's really funny. It's it's it's close. It's
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Canadian units, Unleaded, And then we got from the first episode, you are the algorithm decentralized everything, our Yada origin story which the title was generated by AI from Pod Home. We just went with it. And that's another row of stakes one one one, and that's from DeLorean. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Of the the bull after bull podcast. And she also does a podcast with Mary Kay Ultra about decentralized music called Homegrown Hits.
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Oh, yeah. That's right. Check those out.
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Her message is decentralized food plus plus. Everyone needs an jar but I may never recover financially. Alright. We'll put it in the jar.
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20 sets.
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That's right. And then 500 for that same episode from code 27. And it's sad to say, but Waze is also a Google product. Cool thing about Graphene OS though is you can create another profile that has Google services and switch into that one if you need something from their services like maps. Oh. We were talking realized you could do that. Yes. I think you can do that on regular Android too is create different profiles. It seems like a lot of work but worth it if you can do this because that we are this has come from the conversation about graphene OS and and map products that are worth you. Mhmm. So thanks code 27. And that was on fountain as well.
And then for the FUGM, the last episode seven seven seven from 1776. It's Nice. So cool you guys started to show congrats. And congrats to you, my friend, for having the opportunity to listen to us.
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Appreciate your years.
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And that 1776, I think he is in Canada as well, actually. I think so. Yeah. Mhmm. I don't know where about though. I don't know. A 100 sats from user 30842181 on Fountain. Much love to the circular economy. So thank you semi anonymous. Thank you. Thank you. And a 100 sats from Gray Ruby with no no message, so that is also appreciated. And I think that wraps it up. And thank you everybody that contributed and just remember that anything that you want to do, we love to hear from people. Also, to give ideas for topics to discuss or anything else that questions you have, anything you want to know.
Both of us, I think, are fairly well rounded as far as knowledge goes and
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You caught me. I mean, it's a bit yeah. It depends what domain. But, yeah. I'm open to talking about anything, though. Yeah. Perfect.
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You wanna talk about engineering and stuff? Or Well, we can we can talk. We can talk about whatever, whether we have any clue what we're talking about. Well rounded in knowledge though? I
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don't know. I try. Definitely try. I was gonna I was gonna say go ahead. Sorry. Oh, no. I was gonna do you're you're good at at making music or playing music and making some incredible food products. So and that's pretty well That's true. That's that's well rounded in that for sure, I would say. I was gonna also say, an interesting source for asking questions and chiming in and stuff on podcast stuff is Stacker News. I know I attacked you a few times on some mentions from, I think, undisciplined. I think he mentioned the podcast over there a couple times. It might be worth checking out. Stacker News. Awesome.
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I do have an account and I have I wrote something on there about the a freeze dryer that Cypher Bill maybe Bill Cypher Mhmm. I think asked me to write after I think I had it three years and so I wrote a write up on there. It's just not something that I've really made time for or have time to do. If it yeah. It's more of a long form article Mhmm.
[00:10:13] Oshi:
Platform. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I find it pretty useful. I've been using it for a while for some other stuff, but great place to post questions and just participate in other questions and earn some stats along the way too. So Cool. It's a good place. Do we have a
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a specific
[00:10:31] Oshi:
I don't what do you what do you even call it? Account for the podcast? I think you I think you would have to sign up with your I mean, you can sign up probably a a couple of different ways, but no, to answer your question, not for Yada. But I have one for Oshi, and I think you have one for your personal. Yeah.
[00:10:47] Permanerd:
Does We Does it use it can you log in with Nostr on? I don't remember. Mhmm. I think you can. Yeah. You can also log in with with your Lightning
[00:10:56] Oshi:
wallet or something. I've never done it that way, but, we'll have to look. Oh, damn it. I said it.
[00:11:02] Permanerd:
That's interesting because that brings us to the Lykem jar, which is our way of trying to clean up our speech patterns while while talking. And so we both agree It's true. It is true. We both agreed to put in 20 stats for every, and like that we say that's out of context per episode or during the episodes. And I also so I spent maybe too much time creating a docker image, which which pulls, right add point it to the audio. It creates a transcript and it then counts all the ums and likes that are out of context that are filler Yeah. Gives us an audit. Yeah. Exactly. And then then what I do is I had it write to write a markdown file in Obsidian and so now it automatically updates that file per episode and and Genius. Yeah. It's it's pretty fun. It's so fun. And then and so the the last episode was and I also had to count words too just just for fun and I I talked way more than you did last episode. That's okay. That tends to be the way. I'm kind of a quiet fellow but So you had 3,648 words with 37 fillers and that equals 19 ums, nine uhs, and nine nine likes.
And that comes out to 1.01%
[00:12:44] Oshi:
of your words were filler. Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad. We gotta find some statistics of like global usage of that word. That might be interesting to find. Nice average.
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Yeah. Just listening to people, it's gotta be 30%.
[00:12:59] Oshi:
Yeah. I wonder. We should look into that or if anyone knows, chime in. Absolutely, there's some value to return. Somebody check out what
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the average number of filler was We need to know. Percentage wise is. I mean, we're asking the hard hitting questions when it comes down to it. You won't find it anywhere else. And so that that there it was. I think I might add add an there. Oh. Times two factor. That's right. The I had 6,138 words. I wonder if it counts because I don't remember how I did it because it it oh, it the the model that I used to create the transcript also puts names to so that's how I know I also put in the transcript and it sorts out whether you said it or I said it. And so I'm wondering if maybe it got it gave me the the song too perhaps for the words. Oh, true. That interesting.
What model were you using? Yes. I was using a model. I can't remember what it is. I think it's a whisky. She was quite cute. That's right. Ukrainian, I believe. Oh. Blonde? Is there any other kind?
[00:14:15] Oshi:
True.
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6,138 words, 26 fillers for a percentage of point four two and that's four ums, three likes, and my go to 19.
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Oh. I don't think I used the very
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much. Not as much as I did. I think you could try harder.
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I'll try. There. I just do that. Just put something in. And so this Just think of Beavis and Butthead. Absolutely. Horrible impression.
[00:14:49] Permanerd:
Oh, so the the point of the the Lykem jar is to fill it up with sats and then find somewhere donate
[00:14:57] Oshi:
donate that. Yeah. I was also thinking for that we could, there is a good one. We can maybe make a list from, you know, people that could subs or, you know, give a list of recommendations to us, and we could put it on, like, a randomized wheel kind of thing. Oh, nice. And select it that way. Just an idea. Or even do a
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do a poll
[00:15:22] Oshi:
on Noster or something and see what Could you can you do that? Can you do voting polls on Noster notes? I'm not sure if you can. I guess on some clients. You can. With Amethyst, I'm not exactly Before it was
[00:15:35] Permanerd:
that you'd have to pay SATs in order to contribute to the poll. And and it was it was based on how many SATs that you paid.
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So it's not really a good Well, this is something that you could do on Stacker News though. You can post polls on, Stacker. So that might be something to do there. But yeah. Just an idea. I like it. Absolutely.
[00:15:58] Permanerd:
And I I have a note here that somebody was asking about the recording setup that we have. Mhmm. And so I thought we could discuss that for a little bit if you want. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be fun. You wanna go first? Sure. I have a computer and a microphone. It's got buttons. It's got buttons and knobs. And it's got a speaker too. I done got a speaker. I done got it.
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You wanna deal with, a country song in the back of it? But
[00:16:32] Permanerd:
then my processor broke and my microphone got stole. I tried to use my computer, but it was way too old. I turned the switch, I flipped the knob. This podcast is not working out, so I'm gonna have to get a job. But really. I really hope that other people have as much fun with this as we do.
[00:17:02] Oshi:
We are just here to entertain each other, I think. So that works out. For sure. I like I like bringing the guitar in now for the episodes. I think it's fun. Absolute. I'll keep it to a minimum, but I don't mean to interrupt you. That's that's alright. I'm
[00:17:14] Permanerd:
I'm used to being interrupted. I have a family. What what I have is well, first, let me say that if you wanna start a podcast, just do it. Just start it. Do it on your phone. Do it however you can. I mean, you can record audio Exactly. On Exactly. Sweat shops, you mean? No. Not that part. But Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, the just do it. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. And and so you can record audio just about anywhere. And then if you have a iPad, a phone, or whatever you can do to to get a digital copy of of sound and you can create a podcast that way. But the way that I have, I just have a a ThinkPad running Linux Mint which I record using Audacity which is an open source audio program and then I also edit audio in Audacity and it's a extremely powerful free software which is the way that I like to go and then with these free software's it's nice to every once in a while donate to, you know, just contribute to the developers because that's the only way that they're making money at this point.
And and you can get some some professional quality programs as well. So that's that part, Audacity. And then I have a Samsung q two u. I just had to look at the side of my micro for a microphone, which then plugs into what it'd be a not a a preamp. What's the what's the thing you hook? Yeah. It's just like a like a little interface. So I have a it's called a Euphoria UMC four zero four HD, which is more than what you need. I had have another one too but it only had one microphone input and so I wanted to have the ability to have two people up to four now but so then it goes into there and then that just connects to the computer via USB And then I have a a set of of headphones.
And as far as make show notes, I use Obsidian, which is a very powerful note taking mind mapping It's next level. Program. Yeah. Exactly. And what I'm doing now, which is just redundancy, is recording via there's little DJI lapel mics basically. And so I'm recording on my old cell phone just to get make sure that the audio after the second episode of this, if you wanna know more about that, go back to that episode. Can you do a? And so that's just the the redundancy. And then we go to pod home. And so the way it's been working is that, oh, she sends me his audio and then I try to sync it up and add any music at the end that we're putting in. And usually that's that's about it. And then, upload it to pod home and then it distributes it through the podcast index and then all the pod player are pod catchers. Is that still a thing? Podcast catchers, podcast players? No idea. They they pick it up and then it goes into your ear holes. And I think that is I think that's about it for me. I think I think the whole podcast or the setting up of podcasting and publishing side is kind of a whole episode
[00:20:51] Oshi:
in and of itself aside from mic setup and stuff. I think that's kind of I don't know what the original question was. Maybe that was their question. I'm not I have no idea. No. I'll I'll just that's I'm I'm good then. We basically, that's just how it's distributed. But You did it. Good job.
[00:21:09] Permanerd:
So, yeah, what about your setup?
[00:21:11] Oshi:
It's pretty simple. I'm using a Mac. I got a Mac Pro 14 inch. And then for how I record the audio is is that I have a Focusrite Scarlett two interface, I think this is. And then I have my microphone is just an AKG what is this? C two one four. It's kind of little fancy. I have these microphones just from recording amps and stuff from back in the day, so this is, like, the only thing I have right now. Works fine. So it's going into the Focusrite Scarlett, and then the cable going out is USB. And then I have a converter that goes into USB C that goes back into the computer, which is recording into GarageBand.
It works fine besides that one time that I messed it up, but I'm not gonna do that again. And then because of that mess up, what I do now is I record as well on my iPhone. So and that's going now just in case, you know, something happens. And like you were saying before, the the audio quality on these phones are just fine. They work you don't you don't need to go out and buy a fancy mic like I do or anything like that. You can literally just record it on your phone, put it on your computer, maybe EQ it a little bit. You know, it doesn't take too much. Add some compression and you're on your way. It's better to just keep it simple. You don't need to overthink this kind of stuff. But, yeah, it's my setup. It's nothing too crazy, but it works. And regarding the mic through the interface, it needs to be powered for my case anyways. I'm not sure if you can use a non powered setup for a mic. I mean, you could probably just use a I mean, I have another mic. It's kind of one of those clip on ones where you just kind of put it into the quarter inch jack on your computer, but I wouldn't be able to hear you. So and then my headphones are actually going into the Scarlett unit as well.
Oh, man. I just said one. 20 size. The headphones are what are these? Sony yeah. The classic MDR seven five zero sixes. You they're just kind of studio headphones. I've had probably three pairs of these now. I just wear the crap out of them, but really solid headphones. Pretty cheap. Good quality. And, that's pretty much it. The I I think having the backup recording with the phone is a good play. So maybe that mess up that we had before was a good lesson. I don't know. Yeah. Well, like we said, it was it's nice that it was the the second episode when Yeah. One strike. I'm
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out. There was also another program which which I use I used in the past. I haven't been able to figure out how to get into this work. Sounds about right. But it's called it's called Sounddux, s o u n d u x, and that's another open source. And it's a a soundboard, a digital soundboard, so you can put all your sounds in there and then just hit Oh, do we have that working? I don't. I haven't. No. I had I might be able to get it on my end, but it'd be nice to get it to where you can That'd fun. As well. I'll add it to my list. I can just do them on guitar. There you go.
Another thing that we that we were doing is giving stats on the last episode. Let's run the numbers. That's right. Shout out. Shout out, senior Bennett. Salute you. We have two episodes in the can as they say. And for the first one, there's been a total of 328. Was that downloads? And for the second one, we are sitting at exactly 500 down. No way. That's crazy. The last time I asked you, it was, like, three seventy or something. That's awesome. It is awesome. Thank you, everybody. We made the 500 club. And Yeah. Special song for that one. Oh, hey. This is this is crazy again. Alright. So this part's not crazy. 95% on mobile, 4% on computer.
But then the top 20 podcast players and websites. Number one, oh, I just threw up my mouth a little bit reading it, Apple podcast. And then number two, and that's at 40.91%. And right behind it at 40.05% is Domus. Domus again. But how how is it so high? Somebody please figure out how in the world Yeah. Somebody please let us playing podcast. Let us know. And if we That's interesting. Can the same thing be done with with Amethyst? Because if that's true, then I would be I'd be using Amethyst to listen to Mhmm. To podcast.
And then 15.1%
[00:25:40] Oshi:
for fountain. Nice. That's where I listen. That's where I listen too, but it's it's so flaky on my phone for some reason. Maybe it's counting it for when a user I mean, I I don't know. When a user clicks the link on Domus and it opens into Fountain,
[00:25:56] Permanerd:
maybe that's counting the I don't know. I really have no maybe. Somebody hit us up. Has a clue what what they're talking about. 86% Apple iPhone.
[00:26:06] Oshi:
I'm
[00:26:06] Permanerd:
a contributor to that. Sorry. I know you are. I think we might just sever this relationship. Listening in 33 countries, number. United States is way up there than Canada, UK, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, Sweden, Puerto Rico, and then down to last one is looks like maybe one in India one download in India, one in Taiwan, one in Morocco, one in UAE. If you're in any of these countries, let us know. I wanna hear I wanna hear from somebody from Taiwan, please. Yeah. That's so cool. Oh, and we did get a an email, at address, not an email. I made that sound like we are cooler cooler than we were. You got me all excited. Exactly.
I don't remember what it is, though. Yeah. I don't either. Oh, there it is. No. I found it. It is sayhi@urthealgo.com.
[00:27:05] Oshi:
Nice.
[00:27:07] Permanerd:
Say hi. So now we have an email address. Send us an email if you are or a note on Noster. But if you're in anywhere, send us an email. Somebody send us an email. Yeah. Tell us, what we're doing horrible at. No. Don't do that. Is
[00:27:23] Oshi:
Tell tell us what we're doing awesome at. Do I sound desperate enough or what? Please. No. You sound okay. You sound Canadian. Send me an email.
[00:27:31] Permanerd:
No. If it was Canadian, it'd be, oh, send us an email. Sorry. Sorry. Send us an email. Sorry. So sensual. Sorry. Sorry. Suri, send us an email. Suri boot that. Suri. Suri, guys. Wally World's closed. Nice. Another thing I wanted to mention was speaking of of mister Bennett before of the Bitcoin and podcast, I just wanna give it a shout out to the Circle P, which we're both part of along with quite a few Bitcoin accepting businesses, including Bitcoin beans and kid warps vanilla shop. And I think we can't even name them all. Soap miner and Too many. Yeah. Just all these fantastic products.
And so if you listen to the Bitcoin and podcast, he he does a circle p every every show, and you can usually get a promo code as well for these places. But what we were going to do is imitate that and bring a vendor of the the day, vendor du jour if you will. Who we got? Oh. So does that count as one or is that like three as? That's like 16, dude. I don't I I hadn't gotten that far. I just wanted to try to remember to do it. Let's do a shout out great ghee. Great ghee. Great ghee. Cool. Definitely. Great ghee is a ghee is a clarified butter where it's heated up and all the impurities are removed.
And I cook with ghee every day. I cook eggs. Basically, anything that I put into a pan to fry, I use ghee. And
[00:29:25] Oshi:
so, yeah, check out Ghee is Go for it. Go ahead, sir. No. No. Sorry. There's a little delay. No. No. No. No. No.
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No. No.
[00:29:35] Oshi:
I was just gonna say, ghee is great. Ghee. And great ghee is greater.
[00:29:40] Permanerd:
And I think it's what is it? Ghee.greatghee.com? Greatghee.com. We are just, like Hell of a domain he's got. Greatghee.com. Sick. We, are about as unprofessional at this as we could possibly No. That's his domain. Promise. No. No. That part yeah. That part you got right. The rest of it, they're fumbling through all these things. They're gonna pee. Okay. Anyway,
[00:30:03] Oshi:
great ghee. No. It's a great product. Great let me take over. No. Great ghee is awesome. Honestly, I did, some of his, oh, there's two right there. Sorry. Some some of his product photography back when for his new jars, which look great. Definitely recommend the product. Ghee is great. You can also use it for skin stuff. You can moisturize your hands and your feet and, you know, use it for that. Sometimes ChapStick if your lips are a little chapped from doing whatever you're doing. Grigey.dotcom.dotcom.
[00:30:35] Permanerd:
Use promo code Yada to receive nothing. But
[00:30:41] Oshi:
I'm a fade out.
[00:30:43] Permanerd:
Yeah. Use use promo code Yada and just let him know that we mentioned. Yada. Another thing that I was Speak Oh, go ahead. Oh, no. No. Go ahead. I don't wanna come up with 6,200 words again to your measly 3,200.
[00:30:57] Oshi:
I
[00:30:59] Permanerd:
like when you talk, though. I like the way you talk. I like the way you sound, boy. Get over here, boy. Alright. Go ahead. Thanks. Now I wanted to just mention something that that happened on on Noster. And if you're not on Noster, get on Noster. We won't go into it. Wait. Is this drama? No. Not at all. A diatribe about Noster, but just just look it up. N o s t r. It's free. You are the algorithm there as well. But on there, I had come across there's a an account that I follow called FL Justin, which I'm guessing is Florida Justin.
And he had a picture of a refrigerator stacked full of what looked like, air what is it called? When you take the air out of a bag, vacuum sealed, pecans or pecans depending on where you're at. And and I had just he hadn't mentioned anything about selling them. And so I re re noted it and just threw it out. Hey, anybody want to buy some of these? And it came around to, to you, which I know you'd said that you but were I just wanted to emphasize that, that network effect and that circular economy and how if you have something, if you have a product, then look at selling it for Bitcoin because there are people that are looking to to continue this, the growth of the the circular parallel economy that is Bitcoin for for quality products.
So I mean, if you if your if your product is crap, don't bother. But but if you're doing something that you're doing something good, artful, you know, it is, there is a good chance that there's a market for it. And especially, I mean, I think that Noster's the best way to go about it. And maybe maybe stacker news like you were saying as well, but just just get it out there. Let's let's grow this and there's there's a lot of space for for everyone.
[00:33:10] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, that's how Bitcoin thrives is the network itself. Right? So definitely contribute what you have to offer. And especially if you think of it yourself as valuable, just share it. Know? You'll never know until you actually try it. Because that's kind of how I really got on to Nasser was, you know, before Oshi, I had a different brand name and I wasn't selling it for Bitcoin or anything. And then one thing led to another and I realized I have all these glass jars still. Let me see if I can get rid of them. And at this point, I was on Nasser just for my personal one. And, yeah, I thought of a different name for the brand and just kind of ran with it. Here I am a year and a half later and it's just it's really funny. I I laugh at it every time I think about it. About, you know, just how I got here and where things are at and calling it Huddl butter. It's so funny that I have this name for the butter, but it's it's stuck. It it, like, it works, you know. So, yeah, if you got a thing of value, just try and and bring it to Nosser. Sell it for Bitcoin. You want, like, you know, the hardest money for the amount of work that you put into your thing. You don't want anything less. At least that's that's how my mind thinks. So Absolutely.
[00:34:20] Permanerd:
And if you are looking to buy products for Bitcoin, you know, Noster is is the place to be in in both sides of the the transaction because there are I mean, even just today, I found another one on Noster. Let me see. It's, another, honey company. So there's, you know, there's probably at least three people selling selling honey on Nostril. And soap. And and yeah and there's several that are selling soap and maple syrup. There's at least two that are selling maple syrup. And so there is you know the it's that competition breeds Free market. Greatness.
Yeah. Free market. And, yeah, join. If you need if you need help with any of this, even if you've never experienced Bitcoin before or you're interested, hit us up with that too. And and either one of us would be more than happy to to walk you through how to get your first Bitcoin. I mean, hit me up and I'll I'll send you a couple stats just to get you started. That's Get your your
[00:35:24] Oshi:
your palate wet. Mhmm. Definitely. I always get excited when people come and ask me questions about, you know, Nasser or how I set up my shop and stuff. I'm always more than happy to help and share because, I don't know, you're you're spreading the value. That's the whole name of the game. So, yeah, hit us up. Absolutely. And check out takemysats.com.
[00:35:44] Permanerd:
I'm pretty sure that is. And and that is that's our our good friend who is it created a shop, bullish bitcoiner, and Mhmm. Set up a shop and I I think it's all taken care of and you just sort of add your product and
[00:36:01] Oshi:
Yeah. It's there. It's kind of like a Shopify but built on Sats and Noster, I guess. Not Noster necessarily, but it's a website where you can actually set up a shop and it's you can accept Bitcoin. And I think you can actually pay for your shipping as well if I'm not mistaken in Bitcoin.
[00:36:18] Permanerd:
Nice. I I wanted to look into that. I just I've got my my minimal setup right now, and I just haven't again
[00:36:25] Oshi:
Yeah. I've I've made a couple sales on that just to try it out, and it it works. It's amazing what he's building. Because he came from Shopify to begin with, I believe. I think so. I think he made his own shop, but maybe you're right. Yeah. I think he was What's really funny is that I I Shopify was something I'd never want wanted to use. I wanted to steer clear away from that. So I I applaud him for what he's building. Absolutely.
[00:36:51] Permanerd:
There are ways.
[00:36:52] Oshi:
There are ways. There are ways. Sometimes it's kinda tricky. I remember, excuse me, early on when I was trying to set up shop and stuff, he was the one that helped me build the first iteration of the website. And it was I'll admit, it was kind of confusing. But as time goes on, this stuff gets easier, I think, naturally. So it's a good time to, you know, hop in. And if you have something to sell, start with the website that we're talking about. What was it called? Take take Take my Take my stats. Yeah. Definitely check it out. It's it's worth it to just, you know, see how it works and just dive in. Sure. And if you have if you have a product,
[00:37:33] Permanerd:
hit us up with that too. You know? Maybe as soon as we figure out a name for our Circle P that isn't a direct stealing for the name from the Bitcoin and podcast, then, you know, we can we can promote it. We've got hundreds
[00:37:49] Oshi:
of listeners according to Pod Home. That's not bad for three episodes.
[00:37:54] Permanerd:
Well, and I was just looking at my my Noster account. And as of April eleventh, I've been on Noster for three years.
[00:38:02] Oshi:
Happy birthday, dude. Yes. Thanks.
[00:38:05] Permanerd:
And the reason I brought that up is because it also, I can't remember what it was some site that I had found that because it's not super intuitive to find when your first note was. Mhmm. Because I've got quite a few and I'm not gonna scroll all the way through them and wait for them to load. But it was it's had also it gives you the number of quote unquote followers that you have. And I was at 4,200 or something like that. And I'm pretty sure that about 95% of those are bots. So Probably. I still just tell myself that people like me just so I can go to sleep at Yeah.
Well, I like you. I appreciate it. That's all that really matters.
[00:38:51] Oshi:
That's actually just important side note about Noser is it's not about the follower count. I don't even bother looking at the follower count. So I think it's interesting to consider that for people that are coming from, you know, Instagram or wherever, where they're so concerned about the follower number count. That that doesn't matter on Nostril. Like like the show says,
[00:39:14] Permanerd:
you're you are the algorithm. Like, you control exactly who sees your stuff, who's not allowed to see it, and it's more pure. So don't worry about the follower count. Absolutely. And what you see, you know, that's a that's Mhmm. What you see. Important too is that a lot of people when you when they come to Noster, which is used as I mean, we're we're we're talking about right now, we're talking about Noster in the kind of the form of a social media where you have the followers, but no, there's so much more than that, but that's kind of the main usage right now. And when you start, you have, there's no, there's nothing. It's just a blank screen.
And then you curate it how you want to. And I mean, if you, like, I don't know if you're on Instagram and you have a, you have a 100,000 followers, I don't even understand what that's good for. I mean, you're gonna be selling something obviously, you're making money on the back end somehow. But to have and then maybe you're following them all back because yay, you followed me. I'm popular. I followed you back. You're cool. But then High five, bro. Yeah. But then what does your what does your feed look like? You know? There's this it's all there's all noise. There's no signal. Yeah.
[00:40:29] Oshi:
There's there's that, and the the thing that gets me the most, and I think Twitter is the same way, is that whenever you log in and you find a post that you like and somehow, you know, one thing or another, and you flip off that screen, you you're trying to find your way back to where that post was, you can't find it. It's like it totally resets to some other other feed and you can't find that post again. It's it's so annoying. So Nasser, it's literally who you follow is just what you see and that's what I love about it. So I think x is the same way. You you see a post and you just refresh the thing and it's like this whole other feed that comes up. It's still like the most annoying thing. Yes. The the algorithm just kicks in again and It's awful. Flushes itself out and puts what it wants you to see now.
Yeah. It's so frustrating. Yeah. I haven't
[00:41:15] Permanerd:
I've I've I've nothing else. I I was I used Twitter for news and stuff before and would post every now and again, but I haven't even since I got onto Noster,
[00:41:27] Oshi:
I haven't even looked looked back. Good. Yeah. I I still have an Instagram account for my other photography account, but that that's why I know this. That's what I was saying before is it's it's still like that. It's so it's so bad. I I I have every time I go into it, I just have this feeling that just overwhelms me of just wanting to get out. I wanna get out. It's just so I don't know. You're just bombarded with stuff that you never even followed and this I don't know. I mean, some of the stuff that I do see though, like a lot of the graphic design stuff is really cool. I I do like that, which kind of lacks what I see on Nostr.
So there there is a quite a difference, but in terms of your mental clarity, I just feel so much better using Nostr, personally. And I think you can agree to that too. And many other people that are Nostr can attest to that. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:42:18] Permanerd:
It's almost like withdrawals I think though where people come over to Oster and they don't have that instant dopamine hit of somebody like this. And you are, unless you're someone that already has a following or know, like Joe Rogan comes or at whomever, but it's Paul Saldino?
[00:42:40] Oshi:
He's on Oster. You familiar with him? Oh, never mind. Feel like that.
[00:42:45] Permanerd:
But you're you're you're starting at the bottom, you know, like you're that sounds that sounds pretty stupid, but you're starting from scratch. How about that? Where now you can build whatever you want. You can You're not stuck into whatever influencer role you are at. This is what this is a bit of a side tangent, this is what I like about going to different places where I don't know anyone and nobody knows me. And then you are the person that you are. You know, there's no preconceptions about who you used to be and
[00:43:24] Oshi:
And then it's also an opportunity to create someone
[00:43:27] Permanerd:
new at the same time. Well, exactly. And that new person is the person you are right now at this moment. Whereas when you're hanging out with other people that you've known for a long time, there's all sorts of prejudice and pre preconceived notions about, you know, the way you were five years ago, which if you're the same person, then good on you. But I'm not and I never will be probably the same person I was five years ago because the main goal in life for me is to keep learning and evolving and not fall into this rut of this the person I am and I'm super rigid about it. Yep. If you're not growing, you're dead. Right? Something like that. That's right. So get on Nostr and become the person that you are, that you will be and that you've always wanted to be.
How's that? That? That was Oh,
[00:44:16] Oshi:
love it. Post. Snip that. I will I will say, I think when you sign up for Noster from Primal, I think you're given some people to or rather suggestions for people to follow. I'm pretty sure that's the case there. It's more like the easy way to onboard on Sinostra. It's fine. But I think for new users, I think they would appreciate that route, you know, for if they're not tech savvy and they wanna go and use Amethyst or or what's the new one? Wisp. Wisp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Primal would be a good, you know, way to just dive in. Well, even with with amethyst amethyst
[00:44:55] Permanerd:
amethyst amethyst? Amethyst. They you can you can upload, I believe, or point to follow lists now. Okay. And so you can find you know, I think there's a permaculture one. I'm sure there's a, you know, Nostril vendors, just whatever type of whatever type of follow list. And so I think you can look those up and then and then just add them to your your client
[00:45:22] Oshi:
and have that I I forgot that there was those follow list. Who was it? Was it Kali that made those? I I don't remember who it was that made those was it follow.me or something where it was a bunch of, you know, categories
[00:45:36] Permanerd:
of things, people that you could follow automatically. It's pretty cool. Maybe we should find that and maybe link it or something. Let see me if I can find it now. Yeah. There's other other people doing it as well, I think, unless they're just just showing the actual list. I haven't gone into it because I'm pretty happy with the way that I I find people and, you know, I'm pretty happy with my Yeah. Same. My algorithm
[00:45:58] Oshi:
which is Same. Me. Yeah. Some people I see I mean, I haven't seen it lately, but I've seen people complain about their feed and stuff and I just think of mine. I'm always excited to hop in and see what's going on. My my follow people, my followers, and people that I follow, I I enjoy seeing it every day. It doesn't really get old. I I try not to stay in there too long. It's more of, like, you know, tap in, tap out, but it's fun. Yeah. Absolutely. And I don't usually feel dirty
[00:46:27] Permanerd:
after I Yeah. Exactly. But if I did, I would use soap miner soap to get myself clean. Oh. So I'll It's great soap. I use it I use it for my shampoo as well. Nice. Nice. The the problem with I don't wanna say that as a problem. But being up in Canada, it's the the the shipping is what is incredibly difficult for me. I mean, sometimes the shipping costs more than the actual product.
[00:46:55] Oshi:
Yeah. I had a guy on Stacker News that wanted to try some of the new chocolates I made the other day, which I did sell out
[00:47:03] Permanerd:
Sell out. It's
[00:47:05] Oshi:
okay. It's fun. But, yeah, it was kind of a bummer that he was in another country and the shipping was way more than the price of the product itself and, you know, it is what it is. Thanks to UPS.
[00:47:16] Permanerd:
I know. And that's where I offer ship free shipping on all my stuff to The US and Canada. And I don't think I'm making any money on any of it.
[00:47:29] Oshi:
Well, you're putting all that time into it. So, I mean, you should at least try. Yeah. I know. I need to find time to You can't give everything yourself for free. I was thinking about that for myself earlier today of just like how much work I've I put into this. And I'm always happy to give stuff free and discounts and things like that. But at the end of the day, you're putting in your time. And it is you know, people see value in what you're doing, so you don't wanna spread yourself too thin. You don't wanna give everything away. Yeah. Absolutely. It's not much of a I so
[00:47:58] Permanerd:
my my my son is starting to grow. He's been playing baseball for a couple years but now he's starting to catch on a bit. He's getting he's getting much better. And with the baseball culture comes baseball cards. And so Oh, nice. He's been getting interested. And, unfortunately, I gave all my cards from when I was a kid away
[00:48:21] Oshi:
Same. Just because I had a bunch. Yeah. So
[00:48:24] Permanerd:
we went to we went to the it said retro games on it, and it's a store around here. So we didn't know what it was. We went in, and they had a bunch of Pokemon cards, which I don't know anything about. And Nice. Magic the Gathering, don't know anything about. But we were in there for a while and just chatting with the the guys in there. And and we were walking out and he has some some cards that are not worth anything. But he said, maybe I could sell him some some of my cards. And he said, I've got this card. It's a dollar.
You know, I could get a dollar for it. Said, well, but that's not how it works. Know, what what do you how do you think that they that it works? Know, what how much do they give you? And he's like, oh, they probably have to give me more than that and then sell it. I said, yeah, That's not usually the way that business you don't buy high and sell low. It's not the way the business works. So I need to take my own advice basically. It's a great way to to end a business. Yeah. Absolutely. Drive it right into the
[00:49:27] Oshi:
My last Yeah. I used to have a bunch of baseball cards as well. You still have them? No. No. I kinda wish I did. I had bunch of like Pokemon cards as well back in the day. It was cool. Some nice holographic ones but I know you have no idea about Pokemon. But it's okay. I still like it. Thanks. The only thing that else that I had to
[00:49:46] Permanerd:
to mention for myself is that there was I I had an order. It was a a few weeks ago, and it was paid on chain. Mhmm. And I don't think I talked about something, but she somehow, the lady that ordered it had paid it was I don't know if it was quadruple, maybe more. The maybe the 6 yeah, the actual price somehow. Because with BTC pay server, it sends out an invoice and then you pay the invoice. So I'm not really sure how she managed to pay so much more than what it was. And and then I received an email saying, oh, yeah. This happened.
And it was just it was just kinda funny. And I was just thinking about all of the, you know, with with Bitcoin, you do have to you do have to be a little more careful with it because, you know, if she would have made this purchase and been overcharged using a credit card, then she can cancel the payment. The credit card's going to ensure that, you know, she's not scammed in that manner. Right. Whereas with Bitcoin, if you do send it to someone and the transaction goes through, there's nothing you can do to get it back. That's right. And so I Teachers yeah. Teachers responsibility ultimately. So I sent an email back saying, oh, that's a good lesson for you. Bye.
Kept it. No. No. I mean Bought more mangoes with you. No. I I did. We just kind of laughed at it and I sent it back to her, but it was just a, you know, you do have to take care with it as that these transactions that you make with Bitcoin are one way and it's not coming back unless the person that you sent it to is willing to send it back. Yeah. You're a good man. That was the point of the story, so I'm glad you caught on to that. No. Definitely. Someone zapped that man. So do you have anything else? There's a so and an in there. Nice.
Oh.
[00:51:59] Oshi:
What about oh. Oh. It's not quite. What do I got? I actually added a new discount code in the shop for the Oshi shop. Can you guess what the code is? I'm gonna go with
[00:52:16] Permanerd:
Mada. No. No. No. No. Jada. No. No. No. Sa Sada. Sada. Oh. You're warm. You're super warm. Tada?
[00:52:24] Oshi:
It's Yada. Yada. I should've known. You silly goose. Come on. Yep. Go to shop, put in yadda, save some sats if you want. No pressure. But, yeah, I thought I would add a, you know, little fun discount code. Nice. I was thinking about that as Yeah. Made some more butter today, creamy and crunchy. I think there's maybe three of the creamy left. I had someone buy four jars, and then I think there's seven of the crunchy. There's not much. Yeah. I think that's all there is in the shop right now. So use Yada. Check it out. Appreciate the support. And that yeah. As well, I wanted to make a point since I'm saying all this now is I really, really appreciate everybody that's, you know, picked up stuff over the course of the past year and repeat customers. It's amazing. So thank you, guys. I I really do appreciate it. And because Oshi is such a terrible salesperson,
[00:53:17] Permanerd:
his website is oshigood.us.
[00:53:20] Oshi:
Oh, how silly of me. I thought it was oh, gosh. Oshigoodoshigood.us. Nice. Cool. What's your website? What do you got going on? What's
[00:53:31] Permanerd:
in stock? I think I've got everything in stock. I've I've re upped on pineapple. Pretty pretty short on comfrey salve. Haven't been able to make some more of that. It's getting out there too in in the nostril sphere, which is pretty cool. And that is There's That's I mean, that let's I'm gonna I'll promote that this time. Grab some some comfrey salve. It's great for any skin ailments. And like you were talking about too, if you just have dry skin or something, it's organic olive oil, which has been the comfrey leaves, freeze dried comfrey leaves, and then it's infused into the olive oil and then a bit of beeswax to firm it up a little bit to make it into a a nicer cream.
And Cool. Comfrey is an amazing amazing plant, So it does a lot of healing. And even on on deep you don't want it on deep cuts, but it's it was called bone knit, and they would use it in the middle ages before I mean, even up until probably the eighteen hundreds before pharmaceutical companies came and called natural remedies alternative medicine.
[00:54:42] Oshi:
Yeah. Like Neosporin.
[00:54:44] Permanerd:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what we we used to use, you know, especially with a with a kid that's grown up and toddler and, you know, there's cuts and scrapes and bruises and everything else. And so Right. We used to use Neosporin until I started making this comfrey salve, and now it's just it's a replacement for for all that stuff. And I also wanted to mention too is, you know, I've got products that are up. And the reason that they're they're in basically the five packs for the freeze dried fruits and then a two pack for Five pack? Yeah. That's what the for the the freeze Because dried it's the only way that I've found with the way that I'm set up now. I need to I need to fix my website.
But to make to make it worth shipping. Mhmm. And so it's a two pack of Comfy South. But if if anybody's interested in mixing and matching, just let me know. I mean, I'd have no problem giving one of each and putting maybe I should just do that. Just put
[00:55:43] Oshi:
Do it. Just do it. Yeah.
[00:55:46] Permanerd:
I'm a Reebok guy. But if anybody, New Balance but but if anybody wants anything like that, a customized anything, let me know. Or have an or have an idea for for another freeze dried product. I'm I'm keen to basically, again, we're just going back to just send us an email. Won't you please please reach out? Is there anybody out there?
[00:56:14] Oshi:
Oh, side note. Little, tidbit of something that I want to work on is, jam. I wanna make a blackberry jam soon. Revealing that here. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. The blackberries are growing here, They're coming in maybe a couple more weeks, so I wanna make a jam. You're gonna have blackberries in a couple weeks? Wow. Crazy.
[00:56:33] Permanerd:
Yeah. Call them May berries because they grow in May. So And that's a a legitimate blackberry with thorns and all that good stuff? Mhmm. Yep. I pricked my fingers. Wow. Crazy. Our our blackberries up here don't come in until probably September. That's the last berry usually around here is the we've got the Himalayan blackberries,
[00:56:54] Oshi:
and, I mean, they're they're really good. They will destroy you when you're picking them. Yep. But they're they're really late. Yeah. Well yeah. They're I I'm keeping an eye on them. They're they're growing here now. I'll give them another two weeks, I think, and then they'll be ready. So Okay. I've never made jam before. Do you think I should use pectin for it or not? Because I've seen other ways where people use without it, but I kinda I'm kind of going after the nice textural thing. I think using a little bit of pectin would be I think so because isn't pectin is made from from pork anyway, isn't it? I think it's a gelatin from or is that gelatin? I mean, it's also found in plants. I mean, some fruits as well. So it's like a natural thing, but I don't know about pork. Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not might be gelatin,
[00:57:38] Permanerd:
but sure, man. Carrageenan.
[00:57:40] Oshi:
Great ghee. Great ghee. Greatghee.com.
[00:57:44] Permanerd:
That's right. You can make some great ghee jam. Woah. I don't mean to blow your mind. Alright. You're giving me crazy This is what I do. I give away million dollar ideas and then stay broke.
[00:57:56] Oshi:
That's because you live in Canada. Yeah. That's that's true. Your your margins are eaten by the 12% tax.
[00:58:03] Permanerd:
And 12% tax and Trudeau and oh, wait. Is he gone? He is gone. Last I saw, he was I think he was dating Katy Perry or one of those old. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Just said it. There you go. That might be time for us to wrap it up. That that was that was a worthy one. Fuck him. Fuck him. That was a worthy Cool. Well, where can everybody find you?
[00:58:28] Oshi:
Nasser only. Can find me there. Website, oshigood.us. Also, consider using the promo Yata, y a t a, discount. No pressure. And that's really it. You know? Just two places. Keep it simple. What about you? Same. Noster and Sats,
[00:58:46] Permanerd:
the number4snacks.com. And our our Noster N Pubs are should be in the show notes for every every episode. And I think that is about it. Do you want to
[00:59:00] Oshi:
play us out? Should I play us out? Yeah. Should I play us out? This is, Alice's Restaurant. I'm not gonna sing it, but we gotta find or I have to find who sings this. Was it Guthrie? Garro Guthrie is the same? Anyways, thanks for listening.
[00:59:38] Permanerd:
Yada. Arlo Guthrie.
[00:59:40] Oshi:
Arlo Guthrie. Thank you. Shout out Arlo. He needs to be on Austria. Rest in peace.
[00:59:50] Permanerd:
Sorry. And stop. Sick.
Cold open, Pink Floyd riff, and episode kickoff
Value for value: boosts, sats, and shout‑outs
The Lykem jar: tracking ums, uhs, and likes with tooling
Community polls and using Stacker News for feedback
Recording setups: mics, interfaces, and editors
Show stats: downloads, players, and countries
Contact info and the Circle P vendor idea
Vendor du jour: Great Ghee and cooking with ghee
Nostr network effects and building a circular economy
TakeMySats and setting up Bitcoin shops
Curation over followers: why Nostr feels better
Follow lists, clients, and tuning your Nostr feed
Shipping costs, pricing, and small‑biz realities
Teaching value: baseball cards and business basics
On‑chain overpayment lesson and Bitcoin finality
Oshi’s shop update and code Yada
Permanerd’s products: freeze‑dried fruit and comfrey salve
Blackberry jam plans, pectin chat, and garden talk
Wind‑down banter and sign‑offs
Play‑out: Alice’s Restaurant and outro
