In this episode, we catch up after missing a week and dig into a bunch of what’s been happening on and off the mic. We start by reading a pile of boostagrams, thanking everyone who’s been listening from the beginning, and looking at the latest show analytics — including a strangely underperforming Episode 17 and a growing list of countries tuning in. From there, Oshi shares how the local farmer’s market has been going, what it’s like introducing people to pecan butter and dates in real life, and why casual, non-pushy Bitcoin conversations still feel like the right way to bring people in.
We also riff on accepting Bitcoin versus Monero, zaps on Nostr, podcast listening speeds, and the tradeoffs of privacy-first phone setups with GrapheneOS, user profiles, Mint Mobile, Silent Link, and related tools. I also recap a camping and hunting trip full of tire blowouts, mushroom harvesting, and trailer chaos, before we close with principle number seven in our permaculture series: design from patterns to details. The big theme there is simple but important — understand the larger flows of land, water, climate, and access before making small decisions you may regret later.
- Oshi: https://www.oshigood.us/
- Take My Sats: https://www.takemysats.com/
- Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
- Castamatic: https://castamatic.com/
- Local Bitcoiners podcast: https://localbitcoiners.com/
- Space Tomatoes podcast: https://spacetomatoes.net/
- GrapheneOS: https://grapheneos.org/
- Cake Wallet: https://cakewallet.com/
- Monero: https://web.getmonero.org/get-started/what-is-monero/
- Nostr Implementation Possibilities (NIPs): https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips
- Jumble: https://jumble.social/
- Linux Mint: https://linuxmint.com/
- Side Of Burritos: https://sideofburritos.com/
- BTC Sessions: https://www.btcsessions.ca/about
- Silent Link: https://silent.link/
- Mint Mobile: https://www.mintmobile.com/
- Club Orange (formerly Orange Pill App): https://www.cluborange.org/
- Starlink: https://starlink.com/
- Satoshi Coffee Co.: https://sats.coffee/
- The Bitcoin And . . . Podcast: https://www.bitcoinandshow.com/
- The Survival Podcast: https://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/
- Permaculture P.I.M.P.cast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/permaculture-p-i-m-p-cast/id1511166208
- Perma Pastures Farm: https://permapasturesfarm.com/
- Podcasting 2.0: https://podcasting2.org/
- BTCPay Server: https://btcpayserver.org/
- Stacker News: https://stacker.news/
Join us on Nostr: Oshi (npub1uzt238htjzpq39dxmltlx60vxym9fetk9czz6kddq6fhvkf4z3usy9qtrh) & Permanerd (npub1zqdpzty2mshxncqqxy2078qax6mlehsxmpx5095wtxw4tpepkr0s2ce6fj)
Send an email: sayhi@youarethealgo.com
[00:00:00] Oshi:
Alright. Let's just do this one.
[00:00:22] Permanerd:
Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and my partner in crime in this endeavor is Oshi. Together, we make the Yada podcast. How you doing, Oshi?
[00:00:36] Oshi:
I'm doing excellent. This is episode 18, if I do believe. Is that right? It is indeed. Wow. Time flies when you're doing podcasting, having fun Doing something like that. Stuff.
[00:00:52] Permanerd:
Doing nosier stuff? Yeah. We missed last week due to well, you had a farmer's market and I went camping and hunting. Yep. Talk about it. We'll talk about that. That's called a cliffhanger. A primer, if you will.
[00:01:12] Oshi:
No. I believe it's called foreshadowing. Ah, yes. Something like that. You're much wiser than I am. No. No. No, sir. You are.
[00:01:24] Permanerd:
Either way, this is a a value for value podcast. It's unscripted and commercial free. And value for value means different things to different people. I think for us, it just means anything. Any way that you can contribute, whether that is sharing the show with somebody that you think would like it, whether that is sending notes, emails, smoke signals, skywriting with that plane writing.
[00:01:52] Oshi:
Maybe. Sounds great. Yeah.
[00:01:56] Permanerd:
Or boostograms, which is a message attached to small amounts of Bitcoin, which you can send from modern podcasting two point o apps such as Fountain, and that is where our first boostogram comes from. And I actually oh, boy. Uh-oh. I I I don't know if we did this one. No. I don't know where we're at. I'll start at the top. Alright. Let's go. One zero one from Nostragang, and it says, sorry for the boost bombardment. I am nearly caught up. That is more foreshadowing. Wow. And we will never complain about a boost bombardment.
[00:02:40] Oshi:
Never ever. And I'd like complaining about too much Bitcoin.
[00:02:45] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's right. Too much fun. Plus, like the alliteration of boost bombardment.
[00:02:51] Oshi:
Yeah. It's like abominable.
[00:02:53] Permanerd:
And that was actually for show number six, proof of humanness. So Nostragang has gone back and is listening from the beginning. So if you have any pointers for us, Nostragang, or if you could enlighten us as to how things have shifted from the first episode to this episode, that'd be appreciated. And then 101 sats from Nostragang again for episode number five, and that is a purple heart, orange heart emoji. And then 101 sats from Nostragang again for number four, abominable farewell, orange heart, purple heart. And then we have 420 sats from Havoc, and it says, great show, guys. And that doesn't have a that is from Only Boosts, which is a pretty cool website you could check out, which it's onlyboost.social, and they've gamified listening to podcasts.
And they've got they're actually Nostragang, who we're just talking about, they've got the the 40 HPW, which is forty hours per week challenge. And so you can, if you boost episodes and and it post to Noster, then you add you end up on the leaderboard here. So, currently, you'll be happy to know OCM representing at number four with sixteen point seven hours so far this week. Crazy.
[00:04:20] Oshi:
That's a lot of potting.
[00:04:21] Permanerd:
It is I'm potty trained. Potty trained. So thank you, Havoc. Havoc is one half of the Space Tomatoes podcast, which I listen to regularly as well. It's quite entertaining. And then 420 sats from local Bitcoiners. And it says yada is in our 40 HPW. Great pod to add to the queue. Thanks for the value, guys. Hashtag v four v. So that is great. Local Bitcoiners, I listen to your podcast also every week, and that is RevHoddle and Reed. Very informative.
[00:05:01] Oshi:
They're smart guys.
[00:05:03] Permanerd:
They really are smart guys. More I listen to podcasts, the dumber I feel.
[00:05:09] Oshi:
More hours, baby. More hours. Stack them.
[00:05:14] Permanerd:
Then another 101 sats from Nostragang. And that was for episode number three. And it says, at least you guys don't say right as a filler.
[00:05:27] Oshi:
Yeah. I don't think I ever say that.
[00:05:33] Permanerd:
I try not to. That's for sure. Yeah. Right? I know. Right? And we got another four twenty sats from space tomatoes at Fountain, so that is Havoc as well. And it says great show, and that was for number 17, Pinky Up Junk.
[00:05:54] Oshi:
That's such a good name. I still like that. It is. We'll talk about that later too.
[00:05:59] Permanerd:
And the next one is 333 saps from Reed, one half of the local Bitcoiners, and it says 40 HPW. So people are starting to jump on this forty hours per week of podcasting. And episode number two, a 100 sats from Nostragang, and it says, can I get a yadda? Yadda. We aim we aim to please. And then another 101 from Nostragang for number 15, orange heart, purple heart. Can you guess who the next one's from? Is it from our boy, Jim? Not quite. Not yet. Oh. It's for a 101 from Nostragang fornumberfour.again,.com. And it it says I can't do anything over 1.25 x speed
[00:06:57] Oshi:
l o l. Yeah. I think my max is maybe two. Yeah. This has been oh, you go. No. No. No. You go, sir.
[00:07:07] Permanerd:
This has been a chat on Reed and and Chad f started a podcast called Chad and Reed's podcast. And this has been a a conversation a bit because I sent in a boostogram to them asking if Chad does make a podcast player, if he could make it have a five x functionality. And they all they were just bashing me. I needed backup.
[00:07:33] Oshi:
I mean, five times?
[00:07:36] Permanerd:
I don't listen to much at five. I don't know if I listen to eight. I just want that buffer. Like, I listen to everything at 3.5 speed,
[00:07:43] Oshi:
and sometimes I'll move it up to four or four and a half. But that's just the way I roll, man. I guess. I mean, to each their own. I can I can't do that? I have a hard time kind of keeping up because, you know, it's so quick. Five times. I mean,
[00:07:59] Permanerd:
dude Well, like a robot. Three and a half. AI. Yeah. Well, people have called me an a hole. I don't know if that's the same. The next one is a 101 sats from Nostragang again. This is for number 17, so I think maybe she's caught up, perhaps? I think so. And it says, I'm tempted to buy that Commodore phone. What is that? I don't know. Let me look that up. I got the browser open. Commodore? I don't remember talking about a Commodore phone, but if there was one, I would want it, and I would play pitfall on it. It's like a little flip phone kinda thing. Okay.
[00:08:38] Oshi:
Cool. Looks cool. Look into it.
[00:08:40] Permanerd:
Yeah. And then the next is 333 stats from Chad f. No message attached, but that's from Castomatic. So then right under that is 333 stats from Chad f again, but this one is from. And it says I'm a fan of Linux Mint. Oh, yeah. When we're talking about
[00:09:05] Oshi:
different what do you call them? Implementations of Linux.
[00:09:09] Permanerd:
Yeah. Distributions. Distribution. I have one friend who thinks that Linux Mint is cheating somehow because it is so easy to use and comes chock full of useful tools.
[00:09:23] Oshi:
I don't agree with that take. So being useful and ready out of the box is lame? And easy to use. Yeah.
[00:09:31] Permanerd:
We want friction. More friction. That's right. Make it difficult for the plebs and the armies. Friction great again. I'm not gonna touch that any further. 333 sats again from Chad f with no message. So he's double tripling up on the same show, then then we highly recommend everybody do that. Then the next one's 420 stats from Rev Hoddle. And it says, one way I think about the produce no waste permaculture principle is to tighten up systems so they aren't leaking energy. Obviously, this ties into the catch and store energy principle as well as the integrate rather than segregate principle.
The idea of saving time can be seen as not wasting time. Time is a flow, so I think it's more appropriate to think about it in terms instead of saving. So, basically, the number one form of waste I have is time because it's so hard to spend each moment effectively. Only in hindsight is it revealed if time was wasted or not. That's where the self regulate, accept, and apply feedback principle comes in to help assess ways to better deal with waste. Isn't permaculture beautiful?
[00:10:50] Oshi:
It is. Definitely.
[00:10:55] Permanerd:
Yeah. And that that boostogram was was beautiful as well. Like, mean, Rev knows how to put things into into gooder words than I do, I think.
[00:11:07] Oshi:
Cheers.
[00:11:09] Permanerd:
The next one is 500 sats from chief b t c eighty five. And that was for number 16, Bob is awesome, with no message. So thank you, Chief b t c. I think that might be the first time we've seen Yeah. Never heard that name. And I think that is it. So I don't think there was a gym in here. That's No gym? Makes me sad. That's sacrilege. It is. But then when I move over to the tab, the streaming tab, then I see Jim. So Jim did some some streams, which you can stream per minute, I think, or every ten minutes Oh, right. Right. While listening.
And so Jim hit us up there, but there's no no message from Jim. So we like that, Jim. We appreciate it, but we also like to hear from you. Yeah. I like all those hashtags. I do like all those hashtags. Corned beef hashtags. Then there's a bunch from Chad f as well from Castomatic, which is another app for episode 17. So thank you guys as well, and thanks everybody. It is awesome to get boostograms, and we look forward to more of them, and they definitely do help out.
[00:12:36] Oshi:
Yeah. Thank you. Pretty sick. Pretty sick. Pretty sick. Alright. Well, what shall we move to? Well, we'll go into some analytics here real quick,
[00:12:47] Permanerd:
and these are from podhome.fm, which is where the boosts have been going to pay for the hosting there. And we are now up to 12,161 downloads total. And this is why I wanna talk about pinky up junk. Let's go. The the total downloads in the two weeks for that have been 274.
[00:13:13] Oshi:
No way. Yes.
[00:13:16] Permanerd:
So that's lower. Makes sense. That's lower than a lot of them had in twenty four hours.
[00:13:21] Oshi:
Yeah. Weird.
[00:13:23] Permanerd:
And then the next one was four sixty six, and then the the next one after that was 1,156.
[00:13:30] Oshi:
Well, don't know. Pinky Up Junk sounds like a good title to me. It does. The thumbnail is pretty cool too. I'm just wondering if it's too janky or it's too abstract or if the title had anything to do with it. I have no idea. I don't know. Let's ask Rev Hoddle. He seems to be a podcasting guru. Yeah. Chad Efftow is the
[00:13:50] Permanerd:
Oh, yeah. Is a man with his finger on pulse. Chime in here. What is going on with that episode? Why do you all hate us? Well, can't win them all. And then the last thing I wanted to look at are any new countries. Who we got? We've got Paraguay, Moldova, Dominican Republic, The Republic Of Congo, and I think those are the only new ones at the the bottom here. Paraguay. Cool. Yeah. We got a I like Paraguay. Couple more African nations as well are filling up that map. Still need, somebody from Nicaragua, maybe a a Greenland listener, and Papa New Guinea. Those are the shout outs.
[00:14:42] Oshi:
Come on, New Guinea. Give me the Guinea.
[00:14:47] Permanerd:
Cool. So, again, thank you all for listening and contributing in any way that you can. And, Oshi, you are now a a mainstay in your local farmer's market. How's that going?
[00:15:13] Oshi:
It's been a hit, man. It's been really cool to do. It's been something a lot of family members and friends have been suggesting for me to do. Oh do the farmers market, do great. And I just always pass it off because really don't even know why. It's just a bunch of hurdles to get through but yeah it's been awesome. People's minds have been blown with the pecan butter date combo. It's pretty funny to see. I've had numerous people come up to me saying that they've never heard of pecan butter or dates for that matter which is really cool to see. So I'm glad to be introducing something of novelty to them.
And yeah it's definitely a standout product because it's, I don't know, it's definitely different and free samples definitely help the sales. But yeah, I've been crushing it crushing it. Nice. And you don't have to worry about shipping. Yep. Yeah. That too. And yeah, it's just it's been really cool to just talk with people in real life versus just on the Internet. That's like my main thing I wanted to really do is just network and try to talk about Bitcoin if I can with people which has been maybe someone actually asked me this this morning, oh my buddy Jack, we had a phone call this morning. He was asking me about the markets and asking the percentage of people that maybe come up to me and talk about Bitcoin. I told him I don't know, probably less than 10% because I do have a sign out there so people can you know scan the QR code and have like a little thing about Bitcoin and stuff but yeah I only had one person, a couple people come up and we spoke about Bitcoin and stuff but I really don't push it on people but it's definitely not on people's minds so
[00:17:03] Permanerd:
It's a be soon. It is weird to when you go out in Normie land and then just realize that Bitcoin still isn't in people's in their space at all.
[00:17:16] Oshi:
Yeah. No. It's pretty it's pretty interesting. Hopefully, I'll get one person to pay in Bitcoin. It's not really a goal, but it's certainly something I've noticed that a lot of people even bat an eye at the sign that I have, which is apparently visible, it's there. But yeah, it is not in everybody's lexicon yet. It is nice to get
[00:17:41] Permanerd:
those cash sales as well to help Definitely. Pay the
[00:17:46] Oshi:
I mean, I I convert whatever into what I can into Bitcoin anyway. So it's it's it's all good. But I guess, I mean you seem to be a bit older than I but you can probably remember a bit more about how the internet came about and how people were probably dismissive about it or they didn't understand it and maybe it took a while to catch on kind of thing but
[00:18:08] Permanerd:
Oh, Yeah. And and everybody, you know, there's no way I'm doing my banking or buying stuff. Not going to I'm not gonna throw around my my money, quote, unquote, on the Internet. And now I wonder what percentage of of overall sales are online. That's a good question. I mean, go to a mall and look around, and you'll see you'll see the answer probably. Probably half the shops are closed down.
[00:18:40] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how long this will take for it to catch on paying in Bitcoin and whatnot. And I honestly don't even really care because you know it already has value in and of itself so it will catch on. It's just us doing the work and using it, talking about it casually. We don't have to like force it upon people. I think that's a really big turn off. So the whole notion of trying to orange pill people, I don't know. I've never really been in that mindset. I know there's a few people that have but I I really don't think that is the way. I've gone through a lot of different transformations
[00:19:19] Permanerd:
over the the last several years from, you know, shitcoinery to start with, which I think a lot of Yep. People get into Bitcoin that way. And then being, you know, super hardcore maxi of not necessarily maxi, but just, like, that's it. Only Bitcoin. Nothing else. And and you just start to realize, like, you know what? There's other things probably have their place. Mhmm. You know? Like the the m word.
[00:19:52] Oshi:
Yeah. You read my mind. Oh my gosh. Let's just call it Monero. Like, oh my gosh. You know, I I I will say that I I said once that I will never take Monero but you know, just like a good person that's interested in learning and growing, know, I spent some time looking into it and I always understood it as more of a privacy coin for sure. And I always always said that I wish that the developers from Monero and Bitcoin just kind of like came together and built something more resilient, more private but yeah I learned a little bit more about it and yeah I accept it but my primary preference is it's always Bitcoin because I actually understand it more but I just find it as more useful as money. But if someone wants to pay in a particular method payment whether it be cash, credit card, Monero, whatever it may be, it's like okay well you can just shove it into Bitcoin. It doesn't even matter. I find it funny that on Noster you can zap Monero on notes now.
It's really funny. Really? Oh I had no idea. Yeah. I had a few people zap a note of mine. I think I made maybe $15 worth of Monero through Zaps which is pretty insane. You have to set You can do that now. You have to set that up I guess? Like you have to have a Yeah you can, so on a Nostr client called Jumble you can go and add in the metadata field to, add a Monero address. You have to go in and kind of change the address because it reuses it every time. But, yeah, you can definitely, configure that in the metadata.
[00:21:27] Permanerd:
I really don't know a lot about Monero. I would like to maybe learn more perhaps. But is it the same I mean, I I guess you're you're rotating addresses.
[00:21:40] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. Whenever you I mean, I just have been using Cakewallet. It seems to be like the more popular wallets to use for Monero. But when you generate another invoice it does actually create a new address but for this particular thing for configuring zappable notes for Monero you just use one address. So just for like privacy purposes it's good to rotate that out every now and then if you're getting Monero zaps. But again I don't really I don't fully understand Monero as much as I do with Bitcoin so I'll just leave it at that. But I think when people try to shit on people especially Bitcoiners that are taking Monero and it's like dude they're just open.
And this is the thing I've learned about truly what the toxic Bitcoin maxi really is. It's like someone that's just literally bitcoin only and nothing else and that's not always, I don't know. I think of Darthcoin. I love that guy, gal whoever Darthcoin is on Stacker News and Austere like that guy has been super supportive of me but he's I can definitely tell how people call him like a very toxic Bitcoin Maxie so it's really funny.
[00:23:02] Permanerd:
Well that's the thing, you can be a Bitcoin Maxie, that's fine. Yeah. But when you're throwing vitriol out for whatever reason
[00:23:09] Oshi:
and I mean, it just makes the whole community look bad too and Exactly. That's what I'm getting at. Yep. Money is money. Just let people use it. And then if you wanna just swap it in the Bitcoin, you can. Oh, that's the thing. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. Like Yep. Yep. That's it. It's real simple. Around here, there hasn't been
[00:23:27] Permanerd:
any meetups because Mhmm. The the meetup that I was going to, which is about an hour away, there's some some of the, like, the main people involved have kinda stepped back a little bit and are rethinking some things, I think. So there hasn't been any of those. So I was all I've been wondering about starting one and just going somewhere and just putting it out there and then just if anybody shows up, cool. If not, then it'll be like normal and I'll just sit there talking to myself. No. You should. That'd be really awesome. What if you were to do that, how would you reach people? Just through Noster or would you what would you do? I don't know because I don't know that there's anybody here. So if if anybody's listening and you're in the, I don't know, within range of Mid Vancouver Island in British Columbia, reach out and let me know if you're would be interested in something like that. I would be posting it on Noster and through local Bitcoiners website.
And then, I mean, you might have to start out on meetups.com or whatever meetups is and go that route or
[00:24:42] Oshi:
There's also that one app that I haven't used in a while. What is it? Orange Club or something?
[00:24:47] Permanerd:
Yes. But I'm not I there was some friction signing up for an account that I don't wanna Oh, okay. Yeah. True. Yeah. I haven't used it in Just make it a Nostr login.
[00:24:58] Oshi:
Yeah. Right? A Noster login.
[00:25:01] Permanerd:
No Google account needed. Yeah. No no any account. I've already got an account. Right? Here's my here who this is who I am. It's me. It's me. Yo audio. I'm not gonna win.
[00:25:16] Oshi:
Let me in. You wanna talk about your bear hunting trip?
[00:25:29] Permanerd:
Yes. We went went camping, a place called Vernon Lake, which was beautiful. And we took the trailer out there, and I had to get new tires on it because I there was slow leak in one of them, and I took them to this local tire place. And the guy said, oh, I can't look at it now, but, you know, I can look at it on this is on a Friday on Monday. So, yeah, that's fine. And then another guy that was really, no. That's what I delaminated or some sort of tire term where which just means that you're lucky that it hasn't blown up already.
So these are probably 20 year old tires. And so I ended up having to get new tires, which I found some that were mounted on rims. So I got new rims and tires. And then we went, and it was supposed to be about four hours and 20, some odd, 25 kilometers of that. So, what, 18 miles were down logging roads. And the last part of the logging road that we had to go down was was pretty poor. And so about 500 yards from the turn off to go into the this campground, blew a tire. Just heard this Oh, boy. And got a big old rock inside this tire, brand new tire.
So luckily, they we had a spare, which was one of the older tires, and put it on and and got there. And then we're yes. And able to plug the other one, which I need to take back today after this and get hopefully, they'll just swap it out. But then, yeah, found out that there's a hole in our inflatable zodiac, so let's deal with that as well. Oh. And then It's just always something. Yeah. My wife shuttled me and my friend across the lake to where you couldn't drive to in a in a car or a truck. Mhmm. And then him and I hiked up this mountain looking for deer, but we didn't see any sign of deer. But there's just ton of elk, elk poop, and elk rubs. So I'm wondering if the if the elk are pushing out the deer, because that's all I ever I never see deer. I just see tons of elk. Have
[00:27:44] Oshi:
you ever
[00:27:46] Permanerd:
shot an elk? Or You can't. You you have to get a special draw. It's a limited entry draw. And so I've never actually applied for it, but I think till next year, we'll get a group together and apply for an elk tag, and I know where to go now for that.
[00:28:01] Oshi:
Yeah. There you go.
[00:28:03] Permanerd:
So that was But no bears? No. Saw some bear scat, but didn't see any actual bears. So that was bow hunting. And then yesterday, the rifle hunting's the season started. So I'll try to find a time to go out and try to get a deer that way. Cool. But we did come back with a whole basket full of chanterelles, which I need to process today. Heck yeah. Those are tasty. They really are. So I'm gonna try to freeze dry a bunch of them, I think.
[00:28:32] Oshi:
Oh, that'd be awesome. As for a a new product? Oh, we'll see. Maybe. That'd be cool. Dip them in some bitcoin beans cacao.
[00:28:46] Permanerd:
Or turn them into a powder, maybe. Snort
[00:28:50] Oshi:
them. Snort them. No. Oh, no. I mean, do you, but
[00:28:57] Permanerd:
Well, why are you are you a Bitcoin Maxie? Why are you yelling at me about this? Hey. Hey. Are you a Maxie? Are you maxing me out right now? You don't wanna do some chant rails?
[00:29:06] Oshi:
Chant rails? Do some in the back room, the green room? That's right. We got chant rails.
[00:29:16] Permanerd:
And then we also got a whole big box of pears for my neighbor to process as well. Man,
[00:29:22] Oshi:
at pears, sometimes they're a hit or miss for me.
[00:29:26] Permanerd:
But a good pear, oh, baby. So good. So freeze dry a bunch of those and figure out what else to do. Dip them into some Bitcoin beans cacao.
[00:29:36] Oshi:
Doit.dotcom.
[00:29:41] Permanerd:
Oh, that's how we didn't hear from Yeah. Bolish either.
[00:29:45] Oshi:
I was just thinking that.
[00:29:49] Permanerd:
Bolish is hanging out with Daniel from Minnesota who I still haven't heard from.
[00:29:53] Oshi:
Yeah. And Jim. And Jim. They're all hanging out together. That's why our last episode was so long.
[00:30:03] Permanerd:
Yeah. Man, it was conspiring. It's all good though. It is all good. You had another Nostrap that you were talking about before.
[00:30:19] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. Briefly, this new Nostrich client, which seems pretty cool. I can't remember the dev who's working on it, but
[00:30:28] Permanerd:
it seems cool. Have you have you poked around on it yet? No. I just looked at it. It's so it looks like it's a web app and
[00:30:36] Oshi:
iOS and Android, which is cool. Yeah. I'm not sure if they released the APK for Android yet, but I can use it now that I'm running a graphene phone. Look at me.
[00:30:48] Permanerd:
Hey, look at me.
[00:30:49] Oshi:
Look at me. I'm running graphene.
[00:30:51] Permanerd:
How how's that going?
[00:30:54] Oshi:
It's cool. Hang on. Let me put the guitar down for a moment. It's cool. I like the operating system. I just don't like the size of the phone. It's it's massive. I mean it's not massive but it's it's certainly larger than the iPhone 13 mini that I'm rocking. I just wish they made smaller phones, Android. It doesn't make any sense. I think they would get a lot more customers if they just made smaller phones but graphene's cool. I've got a few user profiles set up and just kind of poking around on it trying to figure it out more. Trying to figure out how I want to use maybe two phones. One phone for mobile, text, phone calls and then the other graphene just for WiFi, more secure kind of stuff.
[00:31:42] Permanerd:
How how do you have yours configured again? I've just started setting up different profiles for I've got a cake wallet. It has its own profile and then it's banking in one one profile and then a Facebook Messenger in its own profile. Oh. And that is I only use that for, like, marketplace, which is still seems to be the best way to go about it looking for things around here anyway.
[00:32:15] Oshi:
Yeah. My user profiles, I've got so from what I have understood, I followed a few different guides. The one guide I found from Side of Burritos, he's a guy on YouTube, really really awesome. Yeah. Great name too. Yeah. Side of Burritos. Yeah. I really recommend checking him out. He does a lot of graphing tutorials and things like that. But also Ben from PTC sessions, so I followed his guide which led me to that side of burritos guy. But from what I understand it's best practice to have the owner profile be the one where you're ultimately downloading the apps and then delegate those apps to your user profiles that you create afterwards so that they're kind of just more organized that way. But it there's a lot of friction using graphing as I've experienced, but I guess that's kind of necessary for this kind of privacy oriented setup.
But so my profiles right now, I've got just the owner, which is for downloading the apps like how I mentioned. And then normie mode which is basically what that sounds like is just kind of banking kind of stuff or you know I don't have Facebook but you know Facebook and all these other kind of applications Instagram whatever. And then non normie is just for Noster, Bitcoin stuff. But I'm thinking about making just like a separate Bitcoin user thing. So, yeah, that's what I'm rocking right now. But using Orbot for VPN tour kind of stuff as well for browsing on WiFi.
But the thing I've been trying to figure out best is how to use a mobile carrier as well. So I'm not sure if I wanna do the whole dual phone setup. It seems just, I don't know, kind of cumbersome to have two phones to worry about, but
[00:34:14] Permanerd:
we'll figure it out. Oh, we did look into that silent link that I think Alice had brought up last time. Mhmm. And that seems like it might be a Yeah. That's I think that's more useful
[00:34:26] Oshi:
for when you're having to have a SMS confirmation kind of thing and you need a phone number, a throwaway phone number to sign in. You know what I mean? Like that kind of authentication through SMS. I think it's useful for that. I did ask a question. I actually just have it up here. Forgot to go through this. I asked a question on Noster. Think I it was last night, asking this very question. The question was, what carrier or mobile service do you use for calls, texts, and data? How do you organize your profiles for everyday use? Do you use multiple profiles on one phone, separate phones, or some combination of the two? I'm especially curious whether separate profiles work well in practice with calls, SMS, notifications, and privacy, or whether having multiple devices is easier.
And I've got a bunch of responses. One from Mountaintop Candle, they said, I use Mint Mobile for my carrier, they're awesome. For my personal profile, I will usually put my safer apps on my personal. I guess that would be my normie user profile. And the apps that track me more are sketchier. I download on my work profile. Then I can freeze those apps without having to freeze the apps on my personal profile. And then turn it to see what else. Oh, b t BTC Bee Rancher. They replied they said, separate phones, one for work and tracking apps.
Other with Graphene OS for all my personal stuff, family and friends, Bitcoin apps and Noster, etcetera. Another one is WiFi only which is basically what I was thinking. Just use this as WiFi only. So I don't know. There's a lot of ways that people are using this. So I'm just trying to navigate this. Do you have WiFi calling in The States?
[00:36:22] Permanerd:
I believe so. Yeah. Because that's what I use most of the time, especially at home, because we we don't really have that great a coverage here. Mhmm. And I find that doing WiFi calling, it it's much better experience than trying to do the LTE or five g or four g or any sort of g funk. Mhmm.
[00:36:46] Oshi:
Yeah. I guess the the only thing that comes to my mind is for when someone is trying to call you and you you don't have WiFi, you're driving and it's an important phone call, maybe your spouse is having a heart attack and they can't call, like what do you do? You know what I mean? Like you gotta have, I don't know, some sort of balance between being able to receive phone calls on a moment's notice. So it just seems rather inconvenient on some regards.
[00:37:16] Permanerd:
Well in that case we, just yesterday, a Starlink arrived at our house so we could put that Yeah. On Tell me more about that. I opened the box this morning and looked at it. Oh, cool. Was it shiny? Was it dirty? It was white. It's white. So they're racist. And all and then and then one thing I did notice is that the instructions are just in the the on the top underneath the lid of the box. Oh, boy. Hold on just a sec.
[00:37:49] Oshi:
Intermission. Hi. Dad's water bottle almost fell on my toe. Careful now.
[00:38:12] Permanerd:
Alright. So that was my
[00:38:15] Oshi:
and we're back.
[00:38:17] Permanerd:
What? What did he say? I'm gonna a massive. He said boo, and I said boo hoo, and he said, don't cry. It's just a joke. Alright. So in the the underneath the lid, there were the instructions and it was I think it shows the the app. Mhmm. And it so it has the the phone and the time on the phone is 04:20. Oh, that's a good number. So I thought that a a pretty funny joke that they put in there. That's an Elon joke Yeah. To be sure. I want to dislike the guy, but then I see something like
[00:38:56] Oshi:
I like Elon. I think he's funny. I don't agree with everything that he doesn't say, but he's a a very smart, funny man. Yeah. But then there was another part of the camping was the neighbor that we had in the spot.
[00:39:08] Permanerd:
He had a solar panel set up, and so I went and talked to him about it. And then we got into the discussion of lithium ion batteries. Oh, sign me up. And, apparently, that is that is the way to go. Is it? Why? Well, they just have they're lighter for one. Like, I've got these these old lead acid batteries, and each battery is about 75 pounds. And it's just a bear to carry them around anywhere until the same lithium ion, the same, amp hours is about 21 pounds. Oh, wow. Yes. Very, very And the lithium ion batteries, you can charge up to a 100%, whereas the lead acid is used about 80%.
And then lead acid, you're supposed to stop using them about 50, or that's when it'll start you know, if you've got a 12 volt battery, it'll drop down to 11 and then nothing's happy. Whereas the lithium ion will go for a 100 from a 100% down to probably about 10% before they kinda shut off. And so you're actually getting a lot more life out of the battery. Yeah.
[00:40:20] Oshi:
I mean I've always heard the notion that you should only charge your batteries up to 80% and let them go only down to 20%.
[00:40:28] Permanerd:
I'm not sure if you've heard that somewhere. Yeah. I've heard a lot of different things about charging batteries, but the lithium ion also have they're basically a smart battery. So if it gets too cold and you're not supposed to charge them when they're cold, they'll shut off. If it gets too hot, it'll shut off. And they have they have Bluetooth also on them. So you can have an app, and it'll show you so you're out in our little boat with electric motor and running at, you know, the third speed, and it'll tell you how long you have left on the battery going with that draw.
So it's just another nice little peace of mind. Yeah.
[00:41:07] Oshi:
That's cool. Batteries, man.
[00:41:10] Permanerd:
Batteries. You know what? I went to university a couple times for I did too. A little while. Yeah. Me too. And the second time I went, I joined the electrical engineering program, or that's where I was going. Mhmm. And and this was many, many moons ago, but it was because batteries were so terrible. And I felt like there was a better a better way to do it. And so I thought, like, taking, you know, electric going into electrical engineering, I'd be able to solve that problem. And then I realized that university again, I realized that university really wasn't for me.
[00:41:49] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. Me either. Wasn't a fan of my professors. But
[00:41:57] Permanerd:
stay in school, kids. Don't become a a tradesman. Don't be a plumber and make a $140 a year. Don't do that. It's much better to work at McDonald's with a master's degree.
[00:42:13] Oshi:
At least you're working with your hands, kid. That's right. Do we have anything on the permaculture menu today?
[00:42:25] Permanerd:
We can do that for sure. So we're up to number seven out of 12 principles of permaculture. And just to go over them again, there's number one was observe and interact, then catch and store energy, obtain a yield, apply self regulation and accept feedback, use and value renewable resources and services, produce no waste, and now we are on to design from patterns. And that just basically means to establish the overall structure before you start refining individual parts. And so it's kind of that start big and then move smaller.
And so you're you're looking for patterns, large patterns, such as topography, climate, water flow, access, and then just any sort of natural ecosystems. And then you design around that instead of saying, oh, I want an apple tree here, and then designing around your apple tree or your oak tree or whatever you want to have. And then once once you understand the bigger patterns, then that will that will push you forward into into making the smaller decisions, which would be where you're planting trees and any sort of other plants and your infrastructure and access routes and things like that. And it helps to avoid type one problems, which are the the big problems that are either impossible or very difficult to correct. You know, say you a couple of the you you say, I want a pond here, and then you just put your pond in the wrong spot, and there's no water drainage, and you have to pump water into it or, you know, whatever the case is with that. Or you decide, oh, I want to put my house here, and you build a house and then you realize you're in the flooding area of your property that you're trying to deal with that. So take a step back and it's always good to, you know, spend as long as you possibly can on the property and just witness and hopefully log all the information that you can, you know, where the water actually flows, where with that, how the water flows, what is a good way to put a road in, or any sort of access trails that aren't going to get flooded and, you know, and things like that, trying to find maybe microclimates even on the property where you can go up or down sometimes a, region.
So if you are in a Region 8, maybe you can go to a Region 7 and grow plants that normally wouldn't grow where you're at because there is some sort of a microclimate on your property. Mhmm. Yeah.
[00:45:47] Oshi:
And that's cool. It makes me think about some of the some of the homes here in this area where where I am, there's a lot of like swampland and some people try to build on top of that. And a lot of it's you can't build because it's number one so legal but again it's just foundation. It doesn't make sense to build on top of something that's kind of you know not a stable beginnings. So it makes me it makes me think about that around here. It's a tough one too because it's
[00:46:16] Permanerd:
it is so easy to be gung ho to start out, you know, and you usually, if you say you just just bought a property, and that's when you've got this vim and vigor to get things done and, you know, it's super excited about putting in that pond or putting in swales or putting a road in for access.
[00:46:38] Oshi:
And so you can just easy to jump into it and start instead of taking a step back and, you know Yeah. It's not like a video game where you can just start out and just apply a bunch of, yeah, we'll build this and put that there. No no no no.
[00:46:53] Permanerd:
Yeah. Real world. And if it doesn't work out, just hit the reset button.
[00:46:57] Oshi:
Yeah. Control delete, just you know, rip the card out, do it again. It's all good. No. No. No. Not here. Cool.
[00:47:05] Permanerd:
I dig it. Yeah. So that's all of these together. I mean, I I would recommend anybody take a permaculture design course because it does translate to so many other aspects of your life. You know, you get Is there any good,
[00:47:24] Oshi:
I guess, videos that you could reference to for people to watch maybe on YouTube or whatever? Offhand,
[00:47:32] Permanerd:
no. Not really. I know that there are some free ones, and I've got them I've got them marked down somewhere. I'll I'll make a note to to get some for next time. Mhmm. And have That'd helpful. Yeah. I have some more resources. Or maybe there might be some people that could share here if they're listening, so drop them. I know there's some you know, even if you take a free one, if it's even if it's not the best, you know, some people say that you're not getting everything out of it unless you you take more than one anyway.
And Mhmm. That makes sense because, know, everybody has their own way of teaching, and permaculture is so diverse that, you know, there there's I wouldn't call them Barnum statements necessarily, but things just mean different, you know that people have different interpretations of
[00:48:22] Oshi:
of everything so That's that's just the native way of English like our language. We have one word that means three different things you know. So it's like we're embedded in in that too.
[00:48:35] Permanerd:
So yeah, definitely definitely hear you. But I would say that the the you know, there's there's some podcast that that reference permaculture. The Bitcoin and David Bennett, he he references permaculture quite a bit. And survival podcast with Jack Spearco, local Bitcoiners, Rev Hoddle is is big into permaculture. The permaculture pimp cast, which I've which I've recommended on here before, They're always talking about permacultures and lessons in permaculture.
[00:49:04] Oshi:
Yeah. No. That's good stuff. Was there anything else that we should touch on? We're getting up close to the hour. Almost to an hour.
[00:49:12] Permanerd:
Jeez. No. I mean, I think that is a good catch up. Hopefully, we'll be able to go again next week.
[00:49:31] Oshi:
Yeah. We gotta we gotta keep it going. We gotta I'm trying to think of ways to be more structured, not, like, rigid, but, you know, have more I guess what would be helpful is to get some questions from other people so that we can kinda just rip on it. But I feel like these are fine though. We'll just keep it consistent.
[00:49:53] Permanerd:
Yeah. And and feedback is always welcome. I mean, that's number four principle, apply self regulation and accept feedback. So we Definitely. Will certainly accept feedback.
[00:50:18] Oshi:
You need it. You can't see your own back. You know? This is true. You can't see it. You need you need other participants to tell you that you're effing up or you're doing a good job. So, Jim, get on it. Yeah. Where are you, buddy? Miss your hashtags.
[00:50:36] Permanerd:
Well, where can people find you? You could find me on Noster
[00:50:40] Oshi:
only and the website oshigood.us. And I've got a few jars of the coffee crunchy huddle butter in stock. If you're a if you're a coffee freak and you want to try something crazy, get that one. That one's really wicked. I was never a coffee person until I met our friend, Satoshi Coffee, who's also on Noster. Yeah. Definitely go for that one. I'm trying to think whatever else. I don't really have much in stock right now. I'm trying to keep up for these farmers markets. But, yeah, Noser only, website only. Come and get some stuff. Use the Yada thing at checkout so you can save some stats. And also the if you go to
[00:51:25] Permanerd:
take my stats comes you can use the promo code YADA and something will happen.
[00:51:37] Oshi:
Wait for it. Something will happen. Don't blink. Cool. You can Are you stocked up? I'm pretty stocked up. Yep. Did we ever find Daniel? Nope. Dude, just send it to me. Daniel
[00:51:56] Permanerd:
from Minnesota. Let's go, bud. I I really wanna get this off my table.
[00:52:02] Oshi:
Yeah. No. For sure. I'll send you some stuff. Cool.
[00:52:06] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's takemysats.com. Freeze dried stuff, some really good comfrey salve, and only on Noster as well. And then we do have a website. No. We don't have website. We have a an email, though. Say hi at You Are The Algo dot com. And hit me up for Mid Island meetup for Bitcoin. I'd be interested in in said meetup.
[00:52:40] Oshi:
Yeah. You should do that. You gotta be the light.
[00:52:47] Permanerd:
Cool. So that is going to conclude this episode number 18 of the Yada podcast. Thank you everybody for your participation. We do appreciate it, and we'll hopefully talk again next week. And until then, remember that you are the algorithm.
[00:53:23] Oshi:
Dad!
Alright. Let's just do this one.
[00:00:22] Permanerd:
Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and my partner in crime in this endeavor is Oshi. Together, we make the Yada podcast. How you doing, Oshi?
[00:00:36] Oshi:
I'm doing excellent. This is episode 18, if I do believe. Is that right? It is indeed. Wow. Time flies when you're doing podcasting, having fun Doing something like that. Stuff.
[00:00:52] Permanerd:
Doing nosier stuff? Yeah. We missed last week due to well, you had a farmer's market and I went camping and hunting. Yep. Talk about it. We'll talk about that. That's called a cliffhanger. A primer, if you will.
[00:01:12] Oshi:
No. I believe it's called foreshadowing. Ah, yes. Something like that. You're much wiser than I am. No. No. No, sir. You are.
[00:01:24] Permanerd:
Either way, this is a a value for value podcast. It's unscripted and commercial free. And value for value means different things to different people. I think for us, it just means anything. Any way that you can contribute, whether that is sharing the show with somebody that you think would like it, whether that is sending notes, emails, smoke signals, skywriting with that plane writing.
[00:01:52] Oshi:
Maybe. Sounds great. Yeah.
[00:01:56] Permanerd:
Or boostograms, which is a message attached to small amounts of Bitcoin, which you can send from modern podcasting two point o apps such as Fountain, and that is where our first boostogram comes from. And I actually oh, boy. Uh-oh. I I I don't know if we did this one. No. I don't know where we're at. I'll start at the top. Alright. Let's go. One zero one from Nostragang, and it says, sorry for the boost bombardment. I am nearly caught up. That is more foreshadowing. Wow. And we will never complain about a boost bombardment.
[00:02:40] Oshi:
Never ever. And I'd like complaining about too much Bitcoin.
[00:02:45] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's right. Too much fun. Plus, like the alliteration of boost bombardment.
[00:02:51] Oshi:
Yeah. It's like abominable.
[00:02:53] Permanerd:
And that was actually for show number six, proof of humanness. So Nostragang has gone back and is listening from the beginning. So if you have any pointers for us, Nostragang, or if you could enlighten us as to how things have shifted from the first episode to this episode, that'd be appreciated. And then 101 sats from Nostragang again for episode number five, and that is a purple heart, orange heart emoji. And then 101 sats from Nostragang again for number four, abominable farewell, orange heart, purple heart. And then we have 420 sats from Havoc, and it says, great show, guys. And that doesn't have a that is from Only Boosts, which is a pretty cool website you could check out, which it's onlyboost.social, and they've gamified listening to podcasts.
And they've got they're actually Nostragang, who we're just talking about, they've got the the 40 HPW, which is forty hours per week challenge. And so you can, if you boost episodes and and it post to Noster, then you add you end up on the leaderboard here. So, currently, you'll be happy to know OCM representing at number four with sixteen point seven hours so far this week. Crazy.
[00:04:20] Oshi:
That's a lot of potting.
[00:04:21] Permanerd:
It is I'm potty trained. Potty trained. So thank you, Havoc. Havoc is one half of the Space Tomatoes podcast, which I listen to regularly as well. It's quite entertaining. And then 420 sats from local Bitcoiners. And it says yada is in our 40 HPW. Great pod to add to the queue. Thanks for the value, guys. Hashtag v four v. So that is great. Local Bitcoiners, I listen to your podcast also every week, and that is RevHoddle and Reed. Very informative.
[00:05:01] Oshi:
They're smart guys.
[00:05:03] Permanerd:
They really are smart guys. More I listen to podcasts, the dumber I feel.
[00:05:09] Oshi:
More hours, baby. More hours. Stack them.
[00:05:14] Permanerd:
Then another 101 sats from Nostragang. And that was for episode number three. And it says, at least you guys don't say right as a filler.
[00:05:27] Oshi:
Yeah. I don't think I ever say that.
[00:05:33] Permanerd:
I try not to. That's for sure. Yeah. Right? I know. Right? And we got another four twenty sats from space tomatoes at Fountain, so that is Havoc as well. And it says great show, and that was for number 17, Pinky Up Junk.
[00:05:54] Oshi:
That's such a good name. I still like that. It is. We'll talk about that later too.
[00:05:59] Permanerd:
And the next one is 333 saps from Reed, one half of the local Bitcoiners, and it says 40 HPW. So people are starting to jump on this forty hours per week of podcasting. And episode number two, a 100 sats from Nostragang, and it says, can I get a yadda? Yadda. We aim we aim to please. And then another 101 from Nostragang for number 15, orange heart, purple heart. Can you guess who the next one's from? Is it from our boy, Jim? Not quite. Not yet. Oh. It's for a 101 from Nostragang fornumberfour.again,.com. And it it says I can't do anything over 1.25 x speed
[00:06:57] Oshi:
l o l. Yeah. I think my max is maybe two. Yeah. This has been oh, you go. No. No. No. You go, sir.
[00:07:07] Permanerd:
This has been a chat on Reed and and Chad f started a podcast called Chad and Reed's podcast. And this has been a a conversation a bit because I sent in a boostogram to them asking if Chad does make a podcast player, if he could make it have a five x functionality. And they all they were just bashing me. I needed backup.
[00:07:33] Oshi:
I mean, five times?
[00:07:36] Permanerd:
I don't listen to much at five. I don't know if I listen to eight. I just want that buffer. Like, I listen to everything at 3.5 speed,
[00:07:43] Oshi:
and sometimes I'll move it up to four or four and a half. But that's just the way I roll, man. I guess. I mean, to each their own. I can I can't do that? I have a hard time kind of keeping up because, you know, it's so quick. Five times. I mean,
[00:07:59] Permanerd:
dude Well, like a robot. Three and a half. AI. Yeah. Well, people have called me an a hole. I don't know if that's the same. The next one is a 101 sats from Nostragang again. This is for number 17, so I think maybe she's caught up, perhaps? I think so. And it says, I'm tempted to buy that Commodore phone. What is that? I don't know. Let me look that up. I got the browser open. Commodore? I don't remember talking about a Commodore phone, but if there was one, I would want it, and I would play pitfall on it. It's like a little flip phone kinda thing. Okay.
[00:08:38] Oshi:
Cool. Looks cool. Look into it.
[00:08:40] Permanerd:
Yeah. And then the next is 333 stats from Chad f. No message attached, but that's from Castomatic. So then right under that is 333 stats from Chad f again, but this one is from. And it says I'm a fan of Linux Mint. Oh, yeah. When we're talking about
[00:09:05] Oshi:
different what do you call them? Implementations of Linux.
[00:09:09] Permanerd:
Yeah. Distributions. Distribution. I have one friend who thinks that Linux Mint is cheating somehow because it is so easy to use and comes chock full of useful tools.
[00:09:23] Oshi:
I don't agree with that take. So being useful and ready out of the box is lame? And easy to use. Yeah.
[00:09:31] Permanerd:
We want friction. More friction. That's right. Make it difficult for the plebs and the armies. Friction great again. I'm not gonna touch that any further. 333 sats again from Chad f with no message. So he's double tripling up on the same show, then then we highly recommend everybody do that. Then the next one's 420 stats from Rev Hoddle. And it says, one way I think about the produce no waste permaculture principle is to tighten up systems so they aren't leaking energy. Obviously, this ties into the catch and store energy principle as well as the integrate rather than segregate principle.
The idea of saving time can be seen as not wasting time. Time is a flow, so I think it's more appropriate to think about it in terms instead of saving. So, basically, the number one form of waste I have is time because it's so hard to spend each moment effectively. Only in hindsight is it revealed if time was wasted or not. That's where the self regulate, accept, and apply feedback principle comes in to help assess ways to better deal with waste. Isn't permaculture beautiful?
[00:10:50] Oshi:
It is. Definitely.
[00:10:55] Permanerd:
Yeah. And that that boostogram was was beautiful as well. Like, mean, Rev knows how to put things into into gooder words than I do, I think.
[00:11:07] Oshi:
Cheers.
[00:11:09] Permanerd:
The next one is 500 sats from chief b t c eighty five. And that was for number 16, Bob is awesome, with no message. So thank you, Chief b t c. I think that might be the first time we've seen Yeah. Never heard that name. And I think that is it. So I don't think there was a gym in here. That's No gym? Makes me sad. That's sacrilege. It is. But then when I move over to the tab, the streaming tab, then I see Jim. So Jim did some some streams, which you can stream per minute, I think, or every ten minutes Oh, right. Right. While listening.
And so Jim hit us up there, but there's no no message from Jim. So we like that, Jim. We appreciate it, but we also like to hear from you. Yeah. I like all those hashtags. I do like all those hashtags. Corned beef hashtags. Then there's a bunch from Chad f as well from Castomatic, which is another app for episode 17. So thank you guys as well, and thanks everybody. It is awesome to get boostograms, and we look forward to more of them, and they definitely do help out.
[00:12:36] Oshi:
Yeah. Thank you. Pretty sick. Pretty sick. Pretty sick. Alright. Well, what shall we move to? Well, we'll go into some analytics here real quick,
[00:12:47] Permanerd:
and these are from podhome.fm, which is where the boosts have been going to pay for the hosting there. And we are now up to 12,161 downloads total. And this is why I wanna talk about pinky up junk. Let's go. The the total downloads in the two weeks for that have been 274.
[00:13:13] Oshi:
No way. Yes.
[00:13:16] Permanerd:
So that's lower. Makes sense. That's lower than a lot of them had in twenty four hours.
[00:13:21] Oshi:
Yeah. Weird.
[00:13:23] Permanerd:
And then the next one was four sixty six, and then the the next one after that was 1,156.
[00:13:30] Oshi:
Well, don't know. Pinky Up Junk sounds like a good title to me. It does. The thumbnail is pretty cool too. I'm just wondering if it's too janky or it's too abstract or if the title had anything to do with it. I have no idea. I don't know. Let's ask Rev Hoddle. He seems to be a podcasting guru. Yeah. Chad Efftow is the
[00:13:50] Permanerd:
Oh, yeah. Is a man with his finger on pulse. Chime in here. What is going on with that episode? Why do you all hate us? Well, can't win them all. And then the last thing I wanted to look at are any new countries. Who we got? We've got Paraguay, Moldova, Dominican Republic, The Republic Of Congo, and I think those are the only new ones at the the bottom here. Paraguay. Cool. Yeah. We got a I like Paraguay. Couple more African nations as well are filling up that map. Still need, somebody from Nicaragua, maybe a a Greenland listener, and Papa New Guinea. Those are the shout outs.
[00:14:42] Oshi:
Come on, New Guinea. Give me the Guinea.
[00:14:47] Permanerd:
Cool. So, again, thank you all for listening and contributing in any way that you can. And, Oshi, you are now a a mainstay in your local farmer's market. How's that going?
[00:15:13] Oshi:
It's been a hit, man. It's been really cool to do. It's been something a lot of family members and friends have been suggesting for me to do. Oh do the farmers market, do great. And I just always pass it off because really don't even know why. It's just a bunch of hurdles to get through but yeah it's been awesome. People's minds have been blown with the pecan butter date combo. It's pretty funny to see. I've had numerous people come up to me saying that they've never heard of pecan butter or dates for that matter which is really cool to see. So I'm glad to be introducing something of novelty to them.
And yeah it's definitely a standout product because it's, I don't know, it's definitely different and free samples definitely help the sales. But yeah, I've been crushing it crushing it. Nice. And you don't have to worry about shipping. Yep. Yeah. That too. And yeah, it's just it's been really cool to just talk with people in real life versus just on the Internet. That's like my main thing I wanted to really do is just network and try to talk about Bitcoin if I can with people which has been maybe someone actually asked me this this morning, oh my buddy Jack, we had a phone call this morning. He was asking me about the markets and asking the percentage of people that maybe come up to me and talk about Bitcoin. I told him I don't know, probably less than 10% because I do have a sign out there so people can you know scan the QR code and have like a little thing about Bitcoin and stuff but yeah I only had one person, a couple people come up and we spoke about Bitcoin and stuff but I really don't push it on people but it's definitely not on people's minds so
[00:17:03] Permanerd:
It's a be soon. It is weird to when you go out in Normie land and then just realize that Bitcoin still isn't in people's in their space at all.
[00:17:16] Oshi:
Yeah. No. It's pretty it's pretty interesting. Hopefully, I'll get one person to pay in Bitcoin. It's not really a goal, but it's certainly something I've noticed that a lot of people even bat an eye at the sign that I have, which is apparently visible, it's there. But yeah, it is not in everybody's lexicon yet. It is nice to get
[00:17:41] Permanerd:
those cash sales as well to help Definitely. Pay the
[00:17:46] Oshi:
I mean, I I convert whatever into what I can into Bitcoin anyway. So it's it's it's all good. But I guess, I mean you seem to be a bit older than I but you can probably remember a bit more about how the internet came about and how people were probably dismissive about it or they didn't understand it and maybe it took a while to catch on kind of thing but
[00:18:08] Permanerd:
Oh, Yeah. And and everybody, you know, there's no way I'm doing my banking or buying stuff. Not going to I'm not gonna throw around my my money, quote, unquote, on the Internet. And now I wonder what percentage of of overall sales are online. That's a good question. I mean, go to a mall and look around, and you'll see you'll see the answer probably. Probably half the shops are closed down.
[00:18:40] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how long this will take for it to catch on paying in Bitcoin and whatnot. And I honestly don't even really care because you know it already has value in and of itself so it will catch on. It's just us doing the work and using it, talking about it casually. We don't have to like force it upon people. I think that's a really big turn off. So the whole notion of trying to orange pill people, I don't know. I've never really been in that mindset. I know there's a few people that have but I I really don't think that is the way. I've gone through a lot of different transformations
[00:19:19] Permanerd:
over the the last several years from, you know, shitcoinery to start with, which I think a lot of Yep. People get into Bitcoin that way. And then being, you know, super hardcore maxi of not necessarily maxi, but just, like, that's it. Only Bitcoin. Nothing else. And and you just start to realize, like, you know what? There's other things probably have their place. Mhmm. You know? Like the the m word.
[00:19:52] Oshi:
Yeah. You read my mind. Oh my gosh. Let's just call it Monero. Like, oh my gosh. You know, I I I will say that I I said once that I will never take Monero but you know, just like a good person that's interested in learning and growing, know, I spent some time looking into it and I always understood it as more of a privacy coin for sure. And I always always said that I wish that the developers from Monero and Bitcoin just kind of like came together and built something more resilient, more private but yeah I learned a little bit more about it and yeah I accept it but my primary preference is it's always Bitcoin because I actually understand it more but I just find it as more useful as money. But if someone wants to pay in a particular method payment whether it be cash, credit card, Monero, whatever it may be, it's like okay well you can just shove it into Bitcoin. It doesn't even matter. I find it funny that on Noster you can zap Monero on notes now.
It's really funny. Really? Oh I had no idea. Yeah. I had a few people zap a note of mine. I think I made maybe $15 worth of Monero through Zaps which is pretty insane. You have to set You can do that now. You have to set that up I guess? Like you have to have a Yeah you can, so on a Nostr client called Jumble you can go and add in the metadata field to, add a Monero address. You have to go in and kind of change the address because it reuses it every time. But, yeah, you can definitely, configure that in the metadata.
[00:21:27] Permanerd:
I really don't know a lot about Monero. I would like to maybe learn more perhaps. But is it the same I mean, I I guess you're you're rotating addresses.
[00:21:40] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. Whenever you I mean, I just have been using Cakewallet. It seems to be like the more popular wallets to use for Monero. But when you generate another invoice it does actually create a new address but for this particular thing for configuring zappable notes for Monero you just use one address. So just for like privacy purposes it's good to rotate that out every now and then if you're getting Monero zaps. But again I don't really I don't fully understand Monero as much as I do with Bitcoin so I'll just leave it at that. But I think when people try to shit on people especially Bitcoiners that are taking Monero and it's like dude they're just open.
And this is the thing I've learned about truly what the toxic Bitcoin maxi really is. It's like someone that's just literally bitcoin only and nothing else and that's not always, I don't know. I think of Darthcoin. I love that guy, gal whoever Darthcoin is on Stacker News and Austere like that guy has been super supportive of me but he's I can definitely tell how people call him like a very toxic Bitcoin Maxie so it's really funny.
[00:23:02] Permanerd:
Well that's the thing, you can be a Bitcoin Maxie, that's fine. Yeah. But when you're throwing vitriol out for whatever reason
[00:23:09] Oshi:
and I mean, it just makes the whole community look bad too and Exactly. That's what I'm getting at. Yep. Money is money. Just let people use it. And then if you wanna just swap it in the Bitcoin, you can. Oh, that's the thing. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. Like Yep. Yep. That's it. It's real simple. Around here, there hasn't been
[00:23:27] Permanerd:
any meetups because Mhmm. The the meetup that I was going to, which is about an hour away, there's some some of the, like, the main people involved have kinda stepped back a little bit and are rethinking some things, I think. So there hasn't been any of those. So I was all I've been wondering about starting one and just going somewhere and just putting it out there and then just if anybody shows up, cool. If not, then it'll be like normal and I'll just sit there talking to myself. No. You should. That'd be really awesome. What if you were to do that, how would you reach people? Just through Noster or would you what would you do? I don't know because I don't know that there's anybody here. So if if anybody's listening and you're in the, I don't know, within range of Mid Vancouver Island in British Columbia, reach out and let me know if you're would be interested in something like that. I would be posting it on Noster and through local Bitcoiners website.
And then, I mean, you might have to start out on meetups.com or whatever meetups is and go that route or
[00:24:42] Oshi:
There's also that one app that I haven't used in a while. What is it? Orange Club or something?
[00:24:47] Permanerd:
Yes. But I'm not I there was some friction signing up for an account that I don't wanna Oh, okay. Yeah. True. Yeah. I haven't used it in Just make it a Nostr login.
[00:24:58] Oshi:
Yeah. Right? A Noster login.
[00:25:01] Permanerd:
No Google account needed. Yeah. No no any account. I've already got an account. Right? Here's my here who this is who I am. It's me. It's me. Yo audio. I'm not gonna win.
[00:25:16] Oshi:
Let me in. You wanna talk about your bear hunting trip?
[00:25:29] Permanerd:
Yes. We went went camping, a place called Vernon Lake, which was beautiful. And we took the trailer out there, and I had to get new tires on it because I there was slow leak in one of them, and I took them to this local tire place. And the guy said, oh, I can't look at it now, but, you know, I can look at it on this is on a Friday on Monday. So, yeah, that's fine. And then another guy that was really, no. That's what I delaminated or some sort of tire term where which just means that you're lucky that it hasn't blown up already.
So these are probably 20 year old tires. And so I ended up having to get new tires, which I found some that were mounted on rims. So I got new rims and tires. And then we went, and it was supposed to be about four hours and 20, some odd, 25 kilometers of that. So, what, 18 miles were down logging roads. And the last part of the logging road that we had to go down was was pretty poor. And so about 500 yards from the turn off to go into the this campground, blew a tire. Just heard this Oh, boy. And got a big old rock inside this tire, brand new tire.
So luckily, they we had a spare, which was one of the older tires, and put it on and and got there. And then we're yes. And able to plug the other one, which I need to take back today after this and get hopefully, they'll just swap it out. But then, yeah, found out that there's a hole in our inflatable zodiac, so let's deal with that as well. Oh. And then It's just always something. Yeah. My wife shuttled me and my friend across the lake to where you couldn't drive to in a in a car or a truck. Mhmm. And then him and I hiked up this mountain looking for deer, but we didn't see any sign of deer. But there's just ton of elk, elk poop, and elk rubs. So I'm wondering if the if the elk are pushing out the deer, because that's all I ever I never see deer. I just see tons of elk. Have
[00:27:44] Oshi:
you ever
[00:27:46] Permanerd:
shot an elk? Or You can't. You you have to get a special draw. It's a limited entry draw. And so I've never actually applied for it, but I think till next year, we'll get a group together and apply for an elk tag, and I know where to go now for that.
[00:28:01] Oshi:
Yeah. There you go.
[00:28:03] Permanerd:
So that was But no bears? No. Saw some bear scat, but didn't see any actual bears. So that was bow hunting. And then yesterday, the rifle hunting's the season started. So I'll try to find a time to go out and try to get a deer that way. Cool. But we did come back with a whole basket full of chanterelles, which I need to process today. Heck yeah. Those are tasty. They really are. So I'm gonna try to freeze dry a bunch of them, I think.
[00:28:32] Oshi:
Oh, that'd be awesome. As for a a new product? Oh, we'll see. Maybe. That'd be cool. Dip them in some bitcoin beans cacao.
[00:28:46] Permanerd:
Or turn them into a powder, maybe. Snort
[00:28:50] Oshi:
them. Snort them. No. Oh, no. I mean, do you, but
[00:28:57] Permanerd:
Well, why are you are you a Bitcoin Maxie? Why are you yelling at me about this? Hey. Hey. Are you a Maxie? Are you maxing me out right now? You don't wanna do some chant rails?
[00:29:06] Oshi:
Chant rails? Do some in the back room, the green room? That's right. We got chant rails.
[00:29:16] Permanerd:
And then we also got a whole big box of pears for my neighbor to process as well. Man,
[00:29:22] Oshi:
at pears, sometimes they're a hit or miss for me.
[00:29:26] Permanerd:
But a good pear, oh, baby. So good. So freeze dry a bunch of those and figure out what else to do. Dip them into some Bitcoin beans cacao.
[00:29:36] Oshi:
Doit.dotcom.
[00:29:41] Permanerd:
Oh, that's how we didn't hear from Yeah. Bolish either.
[00:29:45] Oshi:
I was just thinking that.
[00:29:49] Permanerd:
Bolish is hanging out with Daniel from Minnesota who I still haven't heard from.
[00:29:53] Oshi:
Yeah. And Jim. And Jim. They're all hanging out together. That's why our last episode was so long.
[00:30:03] Permanerd:
Yeah. Man, it was conspiring. It's all good though. It is all good. You had another Nostrap that you were talking about before.
[00:30:19] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. Briefly, this new Nostrich client, which seems pretty cool. I can't remember the dev who's working on it, but
[00:30:28] Permanerd:
it seems cool. Have you have you poked around on it yet? No. I just looked at it. It's so it looks like it's a web app and
[00:30:36] Oshi:
iOS and Android, which is cool. Yeah. I'm not sure if they released the APK for Android yet, but I can use it now that I'm running a graphene phone. Look at me.
[00:30:48] Permanerd:
Hey, look at me.
[00:30:49] Oshi:
Look at me. I'm running graphene.
[00:30:51] Permanerd:
How how's that going?
[00:30:54] Oshi:
It's cool. Hang on. Let me put the guitar down for a moment. It's cool. I like the operating system. I just don't like the size of the phone. It's it's massive. I mean it's not massive but it's it's certainly larger than the iPhone 13 mini that I'm rocking. I just wish they made smaller phones, Android. It doesn't make any sense. I think they would get a lot more customers if they just made smaller phones but graphene's cool. I've got a few user profiles set up and just kind of poking around on it trying to figure it out more. Trying to figure out how I want to use maybe two phones. One phone for mobile, text, phone calls and then the other graphene just for WiFi, more secure kind of stuff.
[00:31:42] Permanerd:
How how do you have yours configured again? I've just started setting up different profiles for I've got a cake wallet. It has its own profile and then it's banking in one one profile and then a Facebook Messenger in its own profile. Oh. And that is I only use that for, like, marketplace, which is still seems to be the best way to go about it looking for things around here anyway.
[00:32:15] Oshi:
Yeah. My user profiles, I've got so from what I have understood, I followed a few different guides. The one guide I found from Side of Burritos, he's a guy on YouTube, really really awesome. Yeah. Great name too. Yeah. Side of Burritos. Yeah. I really recommend checking him out. He does a lot of graphing tutorials and things like that. But also Ben from PTC sessions, so I followed his guide which led me to that side of burritos guy. But from what I understand it's best practice to have the owner profile be the one where you're ultimately downloading the apps and then delegate those apps to your user profiles that you create afterwards so that they're kind of just more organized that way. But it there's a lot of friction using graphing as I've experienced, but I guess that's kind of necessary for this kind of privacy oriented setup.
But so my profiles right now, I've got just the owner, which is for downloading the apps like how I mentioned. And then normie mode which is basically what that sounds like is just kind of banking kind of stuff or you know I don't have Facebook but you know Facebook and all these other kind of applications Instagram whatever. And then non normie is just for Noster, Bitcoin stuff. But I'm thinking about making just like a separate Bitcoin user thing. So, yeah, that's what I'm rocking right now. But using Orbot for VPN tour kind of stuff as well for browsing on WiFi.
But the thing I've been trying to figure out best is how to use a mobile carrier as well. So I'm not sure if I wanna do the whole dual phone setup. It seems just, I don't know, kind of cumbersome to have two phones to worry about, but
[00:34:14] Permanerd:
we'll figure it out. Oh, we did look into that silent link that I think Alice had brought up last time. Mhmm. And that seems like it might be a Yeah. That's I think that's more useful
[00:34:26] Oshi:
for when you're having to have a SMS confirmation kind of thing and you need a phone number, a throwaway phone number to sign in. You know what I mean? Like that kind of authentication through SMS. I think it's useful for that. I did ask a question. I actually just have it up here. Forgot to go through this. I asked a question on Noster. Think I it was last night, asking this very question. The question was, what carrier or mobile service do you use for calls, texts, and data? How do you organize your profiles for everyday use? Do you use multiple profiles on one phone, separate phones, or some combination of the two? I'm especially curious whether separate profiles work well in practice with calls, SMS, notifications, and privacy, or whether having multiple devices is easier.
And I've got a bunch of responses. One from Mountaintop Candle, they said, I use Mint Mobile for my carrier, they're awesome. For my personal profile, I will usually put my safer apps on my personal. I guess that would be my normie user profile. And the apps that track me more are sketchier. I download on my work profile. Then I can freeze those apps without having to freeze the apps on my personal profile. And then turn it to see what else. Oh, b t BTC Bee Rancher. They replied they said, separate phones, one for work and tracking apps.
Other with Graphene OS for all my personal stuff, family and friends, Bitcoin apps and Noster, etcetera. Another one is WiFi only which is basically what I was thinking. Just use this as WiFi only. So I don't know. There's a lot of ways that people are using this. So I'm just trying to navigate this. Do you have WiFi calling in The States?
[00:36:22] Permanerd:
I believe so. Yeah. Because that's what I use most of the time, especially at home, because we we don't really have that great a coverage here. Mhmm. And I find that doing WiFi calling, it it's much better experience than trying to do the LTE or five g or four g or any sort of g funk. Mhmm.
[00:36:46] Oshi:
Yeah. I guess the the only thing that comes to my mind is for when someone is trying to call you and you you don't have WiFi, you're driving and it's an important phone call, maybe your spouse is having a heart attack and they can't call, like what do you do? You know what I mean? Like you gotta have, I don't know, some sort of balance between being able to receive phone calls on a moment's notice. So it just seems rather inconvenient on some regards.
[00:37:16] Permanerd:
Well in that case we, just yesterday, a Starlink arrived at our house so we could put that Yeah. On Tell me more about that. I opened the box this morning and looked at it. Oh, cool. Was it shiny? Was it dirty? It was white. It's white. So they're racist. And all and then and then one thing I did notice is that the instructions are just in the the on the top underneath the lid of the box. Oh, boy. Hold on just a sec.
[00:37:49] Oshi:
Intermission. Hi. Dad's water bottle almost fell on my toe. Careful now.
[00:38:12] Permanerd:
Alright. So that was my
[00:38:15] Oshi:
and we're back.
[00:38:17] Permanerd:
What? What did he say? I'm gonna a massive. He said boo, and I said boo hoo, and he said, don't cry. It's just a joke. Alright. So in the the underneath the lid, there were the instructions and it was I think it shows the the app. Mhmm. And it so it has the the phone and the time on the phone is 04:20. Oh, that's a good number. So I thought that a a pretty funny joke that they put in there. That's an Elon joke Yeah. To be sure. I want to dislike the guy, but then I see something like
[00:38:56] Oshi:
I like Elon. I think he's funny. I don't agree with everything that he doesn't say, but he's a a very smart, funny man. Yeah. But then there was another part of the camping was the neighbor that we had in the spot.
[00:39:08] Permanerd:
He had a solar panel set up, and so I went and talked to him about it. And then we got into the discussion of lithium ion batteries. Oh, sign me up. And, apparently, that is that is the way to go. Is it? Why? Well, they just have they're lighter for one. Like, I've got these these old lead acid batteries, and each battery is about 75 pounds. And it's just a bear to carry them around anywhere until the same lithium ion, the same, amp hours is about 21 pounds. Oh, wow. Yes. Very, very And the lithium ion batteries, you can charge up to a 100%, whereas the lead acid is used about 80%.
And then lead acid, you're supposed to stop using them about 50, or that's when it'll start you know, if you've got a 12 volt battery, it'll drop down to 11 and then nothing's happy. Whereas the lithium ion will go for a 100 from a 100% down to probably about 10% before they kinda shut off. And so you're actually getting a lot more life out of the battery. Yeah.
[00:40:20] Oshi:
I mean I've always heard the notion that you should only charge your batteries up to 80% and let them go only down to 20%.
[00:40:28] Permanerd:
I'm not sure if you've heard that somewhere. Yeah. I've heard a lot of different things about charging batteries, but the lithium ion also have they're basically a smart battery. So if it gets too cold and you're not supposed to charge them when they're cold, they'll shut off. If it gets too hot, it'll shut off. And they have they have Bluetooth also on them. So you can have an app, and it'll show you so you're out in our little boat with electric motor and running at, you know, the third speed, and it'll tell you how long you have left on the battery going with that draw.
So it's just another nice little peace of mind. Yeah.
[00:41:07] Oshi:
That's cool. Batteries, man.
[00:41:10] Permanerd:
Batteries. You know what? I went to university a couple times for I did too. A little while. Yeah. Me too. And the second time I went, I joined the electrical engineering program, or that's where I was going. Mhmm. And and this was many, many moons ago, but it was because batteries were so terrible. And I felt like there was a better a better way to do it. And so I thought, like, taking, you know, electric going into electrical engineering, I'd be able to solve that problem. And then I realized that university again, I realized that university really wasn't for me.
[00:41:49] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. Me either. Wasn't a fan of my professors. But
[00:41:57] Permanerd:
stay in school, kids. Don't become a a tradesman. Don't be a plumber and make a $140 a year. Don't do that. It's much better to work at McDonald's with a master's degree.
[00:42:13] Oshi:
At least you're working with your hands, kid. That's right. Do we have anything on the permaculture menu today?
[00:42:25] Permanerd:
We can do that for sure. So we're up to number seven out of 12 principles of permaculture. And just to go over them again, there's number one was observe and interact, then catch and store energy, obtain a yield, apply self regulation and accept feedback, use and value renewable resources and services, produce no waste, and now we are on to design from patterns. And that just basically means to establish the overall structure before you start refining individual parts. And so it's kind of that start big and then move smaller.
And so you're you're looking for patterns, large patterns, such as topography, climate, water flow, access, and then just any sort of natural ecosystems. And then you design around that instead of saying, oh, I want an apple tree here, and then designing around your apple tree or your oak tree or whatever you want to have. And then once once you understand the bigger patterns, then that will that will push you forward into into making the smaller decisions, which would be where you're planting trees and any sort of other plants and your infrastructure and access routes and things like that. And it helps to avoid type one problems, which are the the big problems that are either impossible or very difficult to correct. You know, say you a couple of the you you say, I want a pond here, and then you just put your pond in the wrong spot, and there's no water drainage, and you have to pump water into it or, you know, whatever the case is with that. Or you decide, oh, I want to put my house here, and you build a house and then you realize you're in the flooding area of your property that you're trying to deal with that. So take a step back and it's always good to, you know, spend as long as you possibly can on the property and just witness and hopefully log all the information that you can, you know, where the water actually flows, where with that, how the water flows, what is a good way to put a road in, or any sort of access trails that aren't going to get flooded and, you know, and things like that, trying to find maybe microclimates even on the property where you can go up or down sometimes a, region.
So if you are in a Region 8, maybe you can go to a Region 7 and grow plants that normally wouldn't grow where you're at because there is some sort of a microclimate on your property. Mhmm. Yeah.
[00:45:47] Oshi:
And that's cool. It makes me think about some of the some of the homes here in this area where where I am, there's a lot of like swampland and some people try to build on top of that. And a lot of it's you can't build because it's number one so legal but again it's just foundation. It doesn't make sense to build on top of something that's kind of you know not a stable beginnings. So it makes me it makes me think about that around here. It's a tough one too because it's
[00:46:16] Permanerd:
it is so easy to be gung ho to start out, you know, and you usually, if you say you just just bought a property, and that's when you've got this vim and vigor to get things done and, you know, it's super excited about putting in that pond or putting in swales or putting a road in for access.
[00:46:38] Oshi:
And so you can just easy to jump into it and start instead of taking a step back and, you know Yeah. It's not like a video game where you can just start out and just apply a bunch of, yeah, we'll build this and put that there. No no no no.
[00:46:53] Permanerd:
Yeah. Real world. And if it doesn't work out, just hit the reset button.
[00:46:57] Oshi:
Yeah. Control delete, just you know, rip the card out, do it again. It's all good. No. No. No. Not here. Cool.
[00:47:05] Permanerd:
I dig it. Yeah. So that's all of these together. I mean, I I would recommend anybody take a permaculture design course because it does translate to so many other aspects of your life. You know, you get Is there any good,
[00:47:24] Oshi:
I guess, videos that you could reference to for people to watch maybe on YouTube or whatever? Offhand,
[00:47:32] Permanerd:
no. Not really. I know that there are some free ones, and I've got them I've got them marked down somewhere. I'll I'll make a note to to get some for next time. Mhmm. And have That'd helpful. Yeah. I have some more resources. Or maybe there might be some people that could share here if they're listening, so drop them. I know there's some you know, even if you take a free one, if it's even if it's not the best, you know, some people say that you're not getting everything out of it unless you you take more than one anyway.
And Mhmm. That makes sense because, know, everybody has their own way of teaching, and permaculture is so diverse that, you know, there there's I wouldn't call them Barnum statements necessarily, but things just mean different, you know that people have different interpretations of
[00:48:22] Oshi:
of everything so That's that's just the native way of English like our language. We have one word that means three different things you know. So it's like we're embedded in in that too.
[00:48:35] Permanerd:
So yeah, definitely definitely hear you. But I would say that the the you know, there's there's some podcast that that reference permaculture. The Bitcoin and David Bennett, he he references permaculture quite a bit. And survival podcast with Jack Spearco, local Bitcoiners, Rev Hoddle is is big into permaculture. The permaculture pimp cast, which I've which I've recommended on here before, They're always talking about permacultures and lessons in permaculture.
[00:49:04] Oshi:
Yeah. No. That's good stuff. Was there anything else that we should touch on? We're getting up close to the hour. Almost to an hour.
[00:49:12] Permanerd:
Jeez. No. I mean, I think that is a good catch up. Hopefully, we'll be able to go again next week.
[00:49:31] Oshi:
Yeah. We gotta we gotta keep it going. We gotta I'm trying to think of ways to be more structured, not, like, rigid, but, you know, have more I guess what would be helpful is to get some questions from other people so that we can kinda just rip on it. But I feel like these are fine though. We'll just keep it consistent.
[00:49:53] Permanerd:
Yeah. And and feedback is always welcome. I mean, that's number four principle, apply self regulation and accept feedback. So we Definitely. Will certainly accept feedback.
[00:50:18] Oshi:
You need it. You can't see your own back. You know? This is true. You can't see it. You need you need other participants to tell you that you're effing up or you're doing a good job. So, Jim, get on it. Yeah. Where are you, buddy? Miss your hashtags.
[00:50:36] Permanerd:
Well, where can people find you? You could find me on Noster
[00:50:40] Oshi:
only and the website oshigood.us. And I've got a few jars of the coffee crunchy huddle butter in stock. If you're a if you're a coffee freak and you want to try something crazy, get that one. That one's really wicked. I was never a coffee person until I met our friend, Satoshi Coffee, who's also on Noster. Yeah. Definitely go for that one. I'm trying to think whatever else. I don't really have much in stock right now. I'm trying to keep up for these farmers markets. But, yeah, Noser only, website only. Come and get some stuff. Use the Yada thing at checkout so you can save some stats. And also the if you go to
[00:51:25] Permanerd:
take my stats comes you can use the promo code YADA and something will happen.
[00:51:37] Oshi:
Wait for it. Something will happen. Don't blink. Cool. You can Are you stocked up? I'm pretty stocked up. Yep. Did we ever find Daniel? Nope. Dude, just send it to me. Daniel
[00:51:56] Permanerd:
from Minnesota. Let's go, bud. I I really wanna get this off my table.
[00:52:02] Oshi:
Yeah. No. For sure. I'll send you some stuff. Cool.
[00:52:06] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's takemysats.com. Freeze dried stuff, some really good comfrey salve, and only on Noster as well. And then we do have a website. No. We don't have website. We have a an email, though. Say hi at You Are The Algo dot com. And hit me up for Mid Island meetup for Bitcoin. I'd be interested in in said meetup.
[00:52:40] Oshi:
Yeah. You should do that. You gotta be the light.
[00:52:47] Permanerd:
Cool. So that is going to conclude this episode number 18 of the Yada podcast. Thank you everybody for your participation. We do appreciate it, and we'll hopefully talk again next week. And until then, remember that you are the algorithm.
[00:53:23] Oshi:
Dad!
Welcome and value for value kickoff
Boostograms, listeners, and podcast community
Download stats and new countries tuning in
Farmers market wins and Bitcoin in normie land
Bitcoin maximalism, Monero, and payment flexibility
Local meetups and reaching nearby Bitcoiners
Camping, hunting, tires, and chanterelles
New Nostr client and GrapheneOS setup talk
Starlink, batteries, and school versus trades
Permaculture principle seven explained
Feedback, where to find them, and sign-off
