This week, Oshi and I catch up on boosts, show stats, and a listener question that sends us straight into phones, SIMs, eSIMs, and privacy tradeoffs. We talk through GrapheneOS, Pixel devices, user profiles, Wisp, Amber, Silent Link, and the never-ending balancing act between convenience, security, and actually understanding the tools we’re trying to use. It’s a good reminder that privacy is a process, not a switch you flip once and forget.
From there we drift into off-grid connectivity, Starlink and solar planning, Tails, Sparrow, Electrum, Linux rabbit holes, Proton going down, local LLM tinkering, and the general feeling that everything in tech moves faster than anyone can realistically keep up with. We close things out with permaculture principle number six — produce no waste — and talk about loops, reuse, junk piles, compost, and how that mindset applies far beyond the garden. We also put out a community bounty for a new Yada podcast logo, so if you’ve got ideas, send them our way.
- YATA Podcast: https://www.oshigood.us/podcast
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- Fountain: https://fountain.fm/
- Podcasting 2.0: https://podcasting2.org/
- Helipad: https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/helipad
- Nostr: https://nostr.com/
- Damus: https://damus.io/
- Wisp: https://wisp.mobile/
- Amber: https://greenart7c3.com/
- Silent Link: https://silent.link/
- GrapheneOS: https://grapheneos.org/
- BTC Sessions: https://www.btcsessions.ca/
- Tails: https://tails.net/
- Sparrow Wallet: https://www.sparrowwallet.com/
- Electrum: https://electrum.org/
- Tiny Core Linux: https://www.tinycorelinux.net/
- Puppy Linux: https://www.puppylinux.com/wikka/HomePage?redirect=no
- Debian: https://www.debian.org/
- Fedora Project: https://fedoraproject.org/en/
- Linux Mint: https://www.linuxmint.com/
- Ubuntu: https://ubuntu.com/download
- Motorola: https://www.motorola.com/us/en/homepage.html
- Starlink: https://starlink.com/
- Proton Mail: https://proton.me/mail
- Tuta: https://tuta.com/
- Hugging Face: https://huggingface.co/
- Zen Browser: https://zen-browser.app/download/
- Visible: https://www.visible.com/
- Local Bitcoiners Podcast: https://localbitcoiners.com/
- Castamatic: https://castamatic.com/
- ChatGPT: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12677804-what-is-chatgpt-faq
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Send an email: sayhi@youarethealgo.com
[00:00:21] Permanerd:
Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. This is a completely unscripted show about whatever we want to talk about. Nominally nominally? Nominally. Bitcoin noster, selling things for Bitcoin, the circular economy, life in general. And the man behind those silvery strings is my good friend, Oshi. How are doing, Oshi?
[00:00:51] Oshi:
I'm doing well. They need a a change. They're getting kinda dirty, but hanging in, doing well, raining outside, building stuff, and here we are. Here we are for the second week in a row, which is good. Doing pretty good. Yeah. So far so good. But you're looking like gonna be gone next week, but we'll get to that.
[00:01:11] Permanerd:
Well, yeah, we can I'm going on a bow hunting trip for deer and maybe black bear. So maybe leaving on Wednesday. Haven't quite quite buttoned that up yet, but maybe we can record something before that and release it. Yeah. Hunting for a bear. That sounds really cool. Yes. I've had a I've bought a bear tag for the last probably five or six years and have never actually punched it. So if you end up with tags at the end, tag is just a you have to buy a hunting license and then you buy a tag. And then as soon as you harvest an animal before you even touch it, you're supposed to mark the tag, which on these ones, you just have to cut out little triangles that say when and where you got it along the edge of the paper tag.
And if you don't use it, then you put it into a pot of water with maybe some carrots and potatoes and have tags stew because that's all you're gonna eat. That's a big pot. Yeah. Well, the tags. I've got this I've got a collection of unused tags, which is not ideal.
[00:02:19] Oshi:
Well, I'm illiterate to most hunting things because I've I think I've only been once and I've never hunted for bear, especially. Sounds like sounds like a good time. But you're gonna come up with me. Right? Yeah. I'll be right there. Alright.
[00:02:33] Permanerd:
Along with being unscripted, this is a value for value show, which means we put it out into the And if you find value in it, then you can feel free to return that in any way that you want to, whether that's sharing the show, hitting us up on Noster, sending an email to say hi@youarethealgo.com, or anything else that you want. You can send us some some cover art or well, we'll discuss something else too that we're we're thinking about doing a little bit later. Mhmm. And one of the best ways or probably the best way is to send a boost from a two point podcasting two point o enabled app, which allows you to send increments of Bitcoin along with a message called a boostogram.
And all of those go directly to a node here in my office, which I'm also running Helipad on, and I can filter it for this show. And so we're we're self sovereign in that way, keeping track of all of our of our stats. And then those stats go to any expenses that we incur, so we certainly do appreciate them. And we just got a a boost twenty six minutes ago right before we went live, and it is from our good friend, Alice a, from Fountain. And that was a 199 stats, And the boostogram says q colon. On the topic of phones, what cellular service do you utilize?
ESIM, silent link, etcetera. Perfect question. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to that. A buddy of mine had the same question the other day. Nice. Okay. Thank you, Alice. We will we will, talk about that a little bit later on because we do we're unscripted, but we do have a subject that we wanna talk about. And the next boost is 333 sats from the legend Jim Seifert. And it says, in quotation mark, herds of fish, someone needs to be learned about schools. Smiley, wanky face emoji, hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown ostrich.
[00:04:54] Oshi:
What
[00:04:55] Permanerd:
is it? And a murder of crows? It's a murder. I actually used that yesterday with my kid. They're like, there's so many crows where we were. Like, there's a murder of crows. He's like, I think there's two murders of crows. And then, you know, possibly. It's a homicide of crows. That's right. It's a genocide of crows. And then the next one is three thirty three. Can you guess who this is from?
[00:05:22] Oshi:
Is it from our boy I don't know who it is. Jim Seaford again? Yes. It is. Nice.
[00:05:29] Permanerd:
I'm a legend. He says, I use wisp dark on Android. Works well. Hashtag SMIJ, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown oster.
[00:05:38] Oshi:
Awesome. I'll get to try wisp soon getting that Android. Nice. Hey. We'll talk about it. Yeah. That's called foreshadowing
[00:05:45] Permanerd:
or fore foreplay depending on what the outcome is. Woah. Woah. Woah. Kids show. Kids I actually downloaded dark whisk. Whisk?
[00:05:55] Oshi:
Wisp. Whisk and eggs? That's right. Whisk and eggs, And
[00:06:01] Permanerd:
because I had used Whisk before, and I quite liked it. And then so I downloaded DarkWisp, and I tried it a little bit. It took a long time to pull my follow list. I was like, oh, if you start following people, then we'll populate this whatever it is, the actual app. What? No. Come on now. Help me out. Were you able to log in with Amber? Yes. I did with that and Fountain Turkey on Noster. I think it was Turkey. If it's not, I apologize. Helped me out Because I was just so tunnel visioned on logging in with Noster Mhmm. On the Fountain app. And he's like, well, if you set it up with a with if you set it up if you had set it up with an email, then you have to log in with your email first. And so I logged in with the email, and it worked straight away. So, basically, I'm dumb is what it comes down to. Oh, no email for Noster. Come on. Yeah. Well, for not for Noster, for that was for Fountain, the Fountain app.
[00:07:07] Oshi:
Oh, for Fountain. Gotcha. Gotcha. So,
[00:07:10] Permanerd:
yeah, now I can get on a list, start really pounding it again. Because there's I I listen to a lot of podcasts, but it's so difficult to go back and and, no. Anyway, I talked about this before. I'm done. Stop stop asking me so many questions. Get on with it. Get on. Then the next boost is two twenty two from from bullish clips, another legend. So a row of ducks, and it says good to hear you got some sales at the bullish market, Permanerd. I hope to see you and Oshi at the at a future event like the good old days. Yeah, me too. I miss it. Yeah, we were there at the I think that I missed the very first one, then I was at the second one for probably three or four consecutive after that. Yeah. No, it's so cool. Whereas They're on the they're on the twenty first of every month. Right? Yes.
[00:08:03] Oshi:
Yep. Alright. I'm trying to make the next one bullish.
[00:08:06] Permanerd:
I gotta. Yes. And thank you for the the boost. We appreciate it. The next one is 111 sats from bullish clips again. And it says the hashtag Yada podcast has some bullish energy. Yes. That is nice, and I agree. Then there's 544 stats from undisciplined. These are all these are all via fountain fountain app. And undisciplined says my car broke just like Oishi's while I was picking up my prom date. Damn. That sucks. I'm not sure which is worse. Mine or his? Well, at least he was driving his own car. My parents are driving me from my prom.
So Oh, well, that's true. Another story for another day. Yeah. We'll get to that. And let's see what we got. A 100 stats from Chad f, and it says hashtag 40 HPW, which is forty hours of podcast a week. I wonder where I'm at. Like, a yeah. Something I wanna talk about later too, perhaps. There's another read as created. It's called onlyboost.social. Oh, that's new. It is, and it's pretty cool. So I've got it on a list of things to talk about. Let's see if we get to it. Okay. If not, check it out. Onlyboost.social.
We've got a 101 sats from Nostragang, and it says Bob the Primus song. I don't know any Primus, to be honest. I don't know any Primus either. I'm Sorry. Yeah. But maybe that's something to look up. Bob the Primus. Bob the And thank you, Nostragang.
[00:09:57] Oshi:
Yeah. I've seen his account. I don't I've never really interacted with that account personally. I think it might be a her account. Her. Yeah. They. They, them, him, her, adult, child.
[00:10:11] Permanerd:
The next four twenty from Rev Huddle, and it says, hashtag Yada podcast is back. Hashtag ask Noster. How does one listen to a podcast on Domus? Glad to hear the problem is the solution when it comes to dealing with all the volunteer all the volatility during the time off. Hear, hear. Yeah. Thanks, Rev. And Budgeting. Yeah. No one has still answered that question about Domus. It's nuts. Maybe we should ask Will, the guy who Oh, yeah. Will. Somebody hit up Will. You might know. JB 55 in the house. Will? Will know.
[00:10:46] Oshi:
Will he?
[00:10:50] Permanerd:
And Rev Huddle is also with Reed on the local Bitcoiners podcast, which you should definitely listen to. Oh, and then speaking of which, we've got a big row of ducks, two two two two sets from Reed, and that is from boost me bitch. Oh, woah. Oh, I clicked on it. Don't do anything. And it just says welcome back, fellas. Thanks, Reed. Nice. Good to be back. And that wraps up all the boosters for this episode, so thank you, everyone. And like most of the people did here, you can grab the Fountain app. And if you need any help, I figured out how to log in to it now.
So I'm more than happy to help. Just reach out to us, and and we'd be happy to. The support team.
[00:11:43] Oshi:
That's right.
[00:11:49] Permanerd:
Alright. So what have we got on the agenda today? Well, was gonna go over the stat the the stats the stats real quick too if The stat stats. Yeah. We every episode, we go over run through some stats of no. Sat. I can't even say it, man. Some stats for the show, some analytics, if you will. Let's go. So our all time downloads are now at 11,405. The last episode, number 16, Bob is awesome, but probably should have done Bob is Primus. Is that what it was? Is up to 406 downloads. And the all time take it. Oh, what's that? I'll take it. Yeah. So this is number 17. Number 15, by the dip, is our the highest so far at 1,105 downloads.
No way. That's awesome. Which was two episodes ago.
[00:12:41] Oshi:
Bob was awesome. Bob is awesome.
[00:12:46] Permanerd:
And then it's the same at the top, Apple Podcast, then, like we said before, Domus at 37%. And then fountain, brave, AntennaPob, pod, Edge, Pod Home with a point 59%.
[00:13:00] Oshi:
Wait. Did you say Brave? Like, Brave browser? Yeah. I guess so. That's what I use. Or no. I I use Zen. I use Zen browsers. It's like a alternate
[00:13:12] Permanerd:
of Firefox or something. Yeah. Actually, I have that on my list of things to look into. I heard I listened to some nerd podcasts, that was one of them. And then let's see here what we've got. We've got, I think, a couple more at the list of countries, including Uzbekistan, Togo. So we're trying to fill out this African map. I would need to get man, need more time, man. I'd like to really set up a website because we can this is all on podhome.fm, which we is where we host. And it's got a map of all the places that have downloads from and, like, all these analytics, which would be pretty cool to put onto a website. I know, I know. We should. I really need to
[00:13:58] Oshi:
it's so hard to get the time to sit down and do this because it just takes a lot of time to crank this out but no excuse. No excuses.
[00:14:05] Permanerd:
Yeah. Or that's another value for value proposition. Anybody wanna build a website?
[00:14:10] Oshi:
I kinda wanna do it. Yeah. I kinda wanna do it. Yeah. Mean, I would like to as well, but I don't know, man. I'll I'll put it on my sticky note here. Alright.
[00:14:18] Permanerd:
Get to it, bro. And then also Jamaica, Syria, Oman, Azerbaijan, Suriname, Botswana, Uganda, Montenegro. So that's pretty cool. There's, what, one two more Botswana and Togo, two more African countries. That's pretty sick. Do we have Antarctica yet? I don't see Antarctica even on here. Where is it? It's just gone. Somebody destroyed it. Oh, it's gone. No. We're missing Greenland and Paraguay. And there's a little a little dot in South America, I put my cursor over it, and it says France. Pretty sure is not in South America.
[00:15:01] Oshi:
I'm pretty sure too. I was always good at geography in school. France is not in Africa. Not in Africa.
[00:15:07] Permanerd:
And Cuba. We're then we're missing Cuba. Let's see. Papua New Guinea, we need you to step up. Oh, Sri Lanka as well along with Bhutan and North Korea. Come on. Let's get some North Korea love here. And then last but certainly not least, I'd like to thank some streamers. And Jim Seaford is also streaming from Fountain. Sick. Yeah. And Chad f as well from Castomatic. Those are the the new ones. Yeah. So That's such a cool concept that you can do that. It really is too, which and it just means that you can set an amount for whatever you want and then stream per minute that you listen to a podcast.
Yeah. So So cool. Awesome. Thank you everybody for the support. It means a lot to us. And, I mean, this is a community driven podcast, and, I mean, I think that we're we're building and incorporating community pretty well. And it's yeah. I don't know. I I think it's pretty exciting. And quite frankly, I don't use this word a lot, but I love it. Oh, or abominable.
[00:16:24] Oshi:
Or it's abominable. Yes. Yeah. No. It's been cool. It's been really fun doing this. Never thought I'd be doing a podcast. So here we are episode 17. Right? It is 17. Heck yeah. Crazy.
[00:16:43] Permanerd:
Alright. Well, should we just start then with with Alice's question and and kind of morph into Yeah. Let's start with that. So the question again was on the topic of phones, what cellular service do you utilize? ESIM, SilentLink, etcetera. And I'll I'll go first. I Yep. I've got an actual SIM, a physical SIM, and I haven't utilized anything else. But I know that that my phone has the capacity to do so, and I may at some point. But I just haven't I think we'll talk about this later too. I haven't really found the need to do it yet.
And as far as, like, silent link, etcetera, I don't even know what that means. So
[00:17:27] Oshi:
how about you? Yeah. Well, I mean, you're you're running graphene, right? Mhmm. It's graphene is only for the Google Pixel phones. Is that correct?
[00:17:40] Permanerd:
The the Pixel's the only one at this point that Right. That they that they will support. Mhmm. But the
[00:17:51] Oshi:
Because it's able to go into, like, the bootloader kind of thing?
[00:17:55] Permanerd:
Yes. And I don't know if that's if that's what it is or if it's just, you know, every piece of hardware is different and you can't you can't support everything. And so they just picked the Pixel. I think maybe because they also have six or seven years of support, the Pixel does. Mhmm. And so they kinda piggyback The older ones are fading out though. On that. Yeah. The Pixel six is probably coming up end of life. Yeah. Think it ends in 2026,
[00:18:24] Oshi:
I believe. But I actually picked up a Pixel eight a couple days ago because I'm looking to make the move to finally running graphene. It's finally time. But right now I I use the iOS software OS unfortunately. It is what it is but the service I use I just use Visible. It's like a thing from Verizon but in terms of the whole eSIM silent link thing I'm not too sure. I was hoping you kind of could lay a bit more groundwork on that because you seem to be running graphene but it sounds like you just used the physical SIM card and then for your mobile service you're using just, I don't know, what's in Canada for mobile. Yeah. I'm using what is called Freedom Mobile and
[00:19:10] Permanerd:
it it's a growing network but it was it's just a cheaper version of the same big brother probably. And
[00:19:18] Oshi:
so a buddy of mine in the in the OSI chat who is here in my local, Bitcoin group here in town. He was asking because he also runs graphene. He picked up his setup maybe a few months ago so he's got a little bit of experience with it. But I was asking him how using the isolated users or like you can create like different users on graphene and kind of segregate them but he was questioning whether or not you can use an eSIM for one user and have that as your communications for incoming and outgoing phone calls. And whether or not that would compromise the privacy and security of any other user that you have on there. I'm not sure because I don't have it yet. I've never really spent much time with it. But if if you know or anybody else knows, definitely chime in here because I'm trying to trying to learn that. I don't know about the sim
[00:20:16] Permanerd:
and whether you could each because full disclosure, I just made a profile another profile for the first time Oh, like another user. Before this, yeah, user profile, because you had brought it up as wanting to talk about. And and I'm glad I'm really glad you did because just creating that profile and not giving it any accent because that answer that first. When you create a a user profile, it is sandboxed from everything else. Sandbox. Right. And so and and along with you can create sandbox for apps too, but the profile, it it just started up blank, and it was so much faster.
And I say, okay. I really have a bloat problem. Like, I can't I I'm a I'm an app hoarder. Oh, this looks cool. And then I just so Uh-huh. I think what I want to do now is map out because you can create up to 32 u user profiles. Oh, wow. Yeah. On Graphene. So I think what I wanna do now is kinda map out different uses and then create a different profile for each one of those usages, and then it should be streamlined. Right. And each profile would, you know, just have less crap.
[00:21:30] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah I was watching Ben from PTC sessions. He does a really good breakdown of all this stuff and I was watching it the other day but until I get the phone then I'll kind of understand it a little bit better. But ideally from what I understand is you know you want a user profile that's your main, it's like your owner where you install certain dependencies for other things for the other profiles. But you can have a profile just for like managing your Bitcoin and maybe Noster and then maybe something else.
So that's really cool that you can have I don't think I'd ever use all of those profiles but having you know isolated, segregated, dedicated users for just your Bitcoin stuff or just social media, Noster stuff and then like your main one. So I'm really excited to mess around with it and if anyone has information about how to best use graphene for making regular calls and incoming calls and eSIM or whatever, whatever, Silent Link that would be very helpful because yeah I'm just trying to up my own personal setup here because ultimately this whole thing with security and privacy it's such a journey. There are so many
[00:22:48] Permanerd:
rabbit holes and things to go down so you got to just start and by golly, I'm starting. Good on you. Yeah, it can be overwhelming for sure. It is. There's just so much. And I mean, you kind of have to go full time in order to be an expert and to be an expert at it. Yeah. Just take it in bite sized chunks. You know? You don't wanna rush it and, you know, fuck something up or Yeah. This is so I was just looking, it looks like you can't select different sims per user profiles.
[00:23:18] Oshi:
Yeah. But you can get graphical I was wondering if you set up one user profile with the eSIM, would that like, I don't know, compromise the other ones that
[00:23:31] Permanerd:
don't I I don't know. I really have no idea how to, like, phrase the question exactly. Well, you what you can do this is according to chat. I'm totally researching as we go here. But it says that you can create or you can have Graphene ask you which sim you want to use each time. So if you're making a phone call or sending a a message or something, so you might be able to go that route and have it, you know, just ask every time. So then when you're doing illicit activities, which I'm sure you do often, then you can use one SIM for it.
But I also looked up SilentLink, which is private esims, which you can pay with Bitcoin, Lightning Lightning Mhmm. Or Monero Yeah. And pay as you go which is
[00:24:15] Oshi:
I'm gonna have to Yeah. There's so many options. My buddy, he said that he uses his graphene phone for just for using on WiFi whenever he has WiFi. And, yeah, he can actually put calls out. And I'm not sure if he can receive on WiFi. Oh yeah. But but okay. But then he also has like his regular driver phone for just phone calls and stuff like that. So having a two phone setup I guess is another ideal option. But I don't know. I really need the phone in hand to, like, mess around with this. Yeah.
[00:24:49] Permanerd:
It's it's crazy once you get into the the sims and, like you said, privacy. And I don't know know exactly, you know, you can use VPNs when you're attached to Wi Fi and, you know, VPN into your own home router and, you know, do all that type of networking to protect your privacy as much as possible, you know, and using Tor and anything else. But Yep. As far as mobile goes, I mean, it all seems to go through that SIM. So it seems like there's I mean, that's a tough way to go about it unless this silent link is is a way of using or having it. Yeah. No. It definitely is. I don't know too too much about it, but I definitely
[00:25:33] Oshi:
have a tab open somewhere. I'm like, yeah. It reminds me of what I was working on today. You just mentioned Tor. I was I was setting up I've got Tails OS as like a bootable bootable drive USB drive for I have like this old MacBook Pro from 2012 that I gutted the WiFi card from, so it's kind of like my dedicated offline computer for for really a couple specific things that I made for myself. It's kind of just to to create, you know, better offline seed phrases and stuff and kind of like do that whole thing. But also to install Sparrow Wallet and have that on there as like a persistence within Tails.
So I was working on that and trying to set that up and be able to connect just through like the Ethernet and Tor. Trying to just kind of step up the connection there so working on that. And also connecting with Electrum running from my node. So yeah, this whole like security thing is definitely piece by piece, but it's definitely fun to go on this. It's overwhelming sometimes.
[00:26:37] Permanerd:
It is. And there's just so many other things too. You know? Yeah. It's like everything else. You just like you're talking about tails. And then from there, you know, just security in general with Linux. And there are some distributions that are made exclusively for hacking or, you know, loading from a thumb drive, like you said, and and then trying to crack password. You know, if you're locked out of your computer and it's just an endless amount of information.
[00:27:05] Oshi:
I will say that after understanding Tails a little bit, I think it's a great entry point for people to go in. It's very simple to do especially if you just have like another computer lying around that you don't use. For again for my example I just had an older 2012 MacBook that I literally ripped out the WiFi card so there's no possible way of connecting to the network at all. And just kind of having a computer where you can do that and mess around with which was really helpful to learn on. So, yeah, definitely Tails OS I encourage people to kinda look into. Well, I'll throw out there too. If you have an old computer,
[00:27:42] Permanerd:
really old computer, you can also throw Linux onto it. And there are some Linux distributions like Tiny Linux and Puppy Linux, which the entire operating system is somewhere between five and ten megabytes. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. That might be something that would mean, that's a fun way to try to experience Linux too and to sort of start to understand the how many different distributions of Linux there are and different use case. You know? So you're you're not locked into Microsoft or Apple and just the amazing things that you can do by yourself. Mhmm.
[00:28:21] Oshi:
Yeah. There's so many, I don't know what you call them, different, things of Linux, like what you were just describing there. But then there's like Ubuntu and then what was it? Mint or something like that and like 16 other ones. Oh no, there's hundreds. So confusing. Okay, so explain to me, help me understand what is the difference between all of them? Well there's main,
[00:28:41] Permanerd:
there's main they're they're called distributions. Distribution. And so I wanna try to find you a a chart pretty but they what they you have the main ones, like Debian is a main one. Debian. Yep. And Fedora is a is kind of a different branch of Linux. And so, like, Linux Tails is probably Debian. Linux Mint, Ubuntu, and those ones, they're all derivations? Derivations. That a word? Cool. Derivations of Debian. So they use the same commands. But then they'll have different desktops on them or they come loaded with different apps or, you know, like Tails is a security surveillance type of distro.
Which comes with Electrum, which is cool. Oh, nice. And so they I I wanna put this in here real quick. But that's so that's the difference is and they're all based on Unix, which is what MacBook, Mac OS, is also a derivation, obviously closed source, but of of Unix. I don't know if that answered your question. Yeah. No. It does. There's a lot there's a lot to dive into. There really is. And, I mean, I find it fascinating just because everything has gone towards closed source. You know? It used to be when computers first came out, you would buy the hardware and the software would be free. And now you can get cheap hardware and you know going with subscription models and everything else the software becomes extremely expensive.
[00:30:17] Oshi:
Yeah. No open source is awesome. But there's there's a place though for closed source things that I don't really condone it but especially for you know keeping some code secure from like AI scrubs until you actually like you know work out the kinks and stuff like that. I heard someone talking about that and made sense to me but yeah definitely open source for
[00:30:38] Permanerd:
running you know, privacy things. You definitely want that. You want the code to be checked. Well, you do. And it's it is a double edged sword because now Yeah. With you know, as AI progresses, it you know, they're they're reverse engineering Mhmm. Software anyway. And so you're kind of almost shooting yourself in the foot by having it closed source because no one can look at And so if they find a zero day vulnerability, then it's open season. To tell the limited number of developers notices that there's a problem. Yeah.
I sent you a link in the chat about the thing if you want to look at it real quick. I'll try to remember to put It's a family tree. Oh gosh. And I don't know which one you're looking at, but these aren't even the ones that Slackware family tree? Yeah. And I I mean, that's just one Slackware too. But then if you look at, like, the the full Linux, it's hundreds and a 100. Oh, Jesus. So you can see Holy cow. You'll be able to see, you know, Debian. Expud.
[00:31:46] Oshi:
The hell is that? Wow. Yeah. There's a lot here. Yeah. Rabbit hole upon rabbit hole. It's like a New York City train station
[00:31:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. Exactly. That connects
[00:31:56] Oshi:
with, like, mycelial networks.
[00:31:59] Permanerd:
Jeez. Cool. Take a look at this. And there was a I got a comment on a question I had on Noster yesterday, and and it was the comment was, it was about it was about graphene. And and BF Green had mentioned something about, like, graph GrapheneOS doesn't fix the problem. You know? Something about, need you know, it got into a conversation about Android and I would somebody who'd never use Android. You know, the choices are Android or or Yeah. What iPhone, iOS. And and then BF Green said that, you know, graphene is not the solution. And it might not be as as it is now. I agree with that, but it's a lot better than the alternatives, in my opinion. Yeah. I mean, it's like Bitcoin, I guess. I mean, Bitcoin solves a lot of problems, but it doesn't solve everything. Right? Well, the the difference I see is that, you know, the Google Pixel phone, if you're using that and putting graphene on it, it's still even even when you boot it up, it says Google. Right? Because that's just in the firmware or the So what's better?
It would be an open source phone running an open source operating system.
[00:33:10] Oshi:
So are there any open source projects like that? Is anyone funding that? Well, I know Motorola has they said that they're coming out with
[00:33:18] Permanerd:
a GrapheneOS
[00:33:19] Oshi:
native phone. Yeah. Saw that.
[00:33:22] Permanerd:
And and so hopefully that's open source. And I think there are some other open hard phone hardware. Mhmm. But I don't have any of those handy, just the open source. So, yeah, that that I mean, this is a conversation that could go on forever and please let us know what where we're Yeah. Help help me understand. Yeah. Help him understand. Let me know where I'm wrong.
[00:33:46] Oshi:
At least I'm making the right steps. You know? That's that's the only thing that you can do. Right? Oh, absolutely. And I
[00:33:51] Permanerd:
and you are. And during that, even if it's not the best thing, you know, you're probably gonna learn a ton. Yeah.
[00:33:58] Oshi:
I'm just tired of hearing crap from people. Oh, you're on iOS. Okay.
[00:34:04] Permanerd:
I got the I got the graphene comment, guys. Hang on. Well, it's like Ford versus Chevy or something like that. Coke versus Pepsi. Okay. Or They're both garbage. What do you want? Yeah,
[00:34:17] Oshi:
man. I mean, whatever. Making the steps.
[00:34:20] Permanerd:
Moving on. Yeah. I'm proud of you, my friend. I'm proud of you. Thanks, dude. I appreciate that, dad. And, yeah, let me let me know if I can help you in any way. Yeah. For sure. I mean, you were a motivating factor for sure. So I ordered a Starlink yesterday. Oh, yeah. Let's get to this. Tell me more. Well, that's it. That was the end of my story, man. Why why you have to press? Well, I had breakfast this morning.
[00:34:47] Oshi:
I had eggs.
[00:34:48] Permanerd:
Now we've been doing a lot of just off grid, camping in places that there is no cell phone service. And and so in order to do that, we kinda need to be able to do some work as well. And so this will be something that will allow us to stay out longer and be able to do work when we need to. So I kinda went down the rabbit hole of creating a a Starlink setup with a battery and solar panel and all that stuff. I I find that kind of off grid power. That's something that interests me as well. How
[00:35:26] Oshi:
long was the process for you to kind of connect everything and understand it?
[00:35:30] Permanerd:
Not too long. I mean, I use ChatGPT for a lot of it just getting specs and kind of trying to sort out exactly how things will fit together because I already have I have a couple 100 watt solar panels. I have a battery, but the solar panels are two different types of solar panel. And just so just trying to figure out how to put them together. Right? Run Different outputs? What to have? Do they have different outputs or are they the same? Yeah. No. No. They're different different outputs. So, basically, what what adapters I need to hook them together and then what I need to actually power the StarLink. Mhmm. So we'll see how that goes. It should be here in a couple weeks after after we go on this trip, unfortunately. Mhmm. Yeah. Sounds cool. Keep me posted on that. Because we have our you know, our trailer has a couple really big deep cycle batteries that I had. And so just even trying to keep those those topped up, looking at another 440 watt solar panel. But then I need to buy a new charge controller for that and blah blah blah. I don't know. Have you done much with solar?
[00:36:38] Oshi:
No. Not at all. I need to, but, yeah, I haven't done any of that. It's pretty interesting. Or even DC to AC, watts and volts and
[00:36:47] Permanerd:
amps.
[00:36:48] Oshi:
Yeah. I I need to I need to get more into that. It's just hard to juggle everything and current life stuff, but,
[00:36:55] Permanerd:
yeah, something to do. They say that. First step is this graphing thing. Let me get that under my belt. OS is the gateway drug to solar.
[00:37:02] Oshi:
I believe it. Yeah. I mean, definitely. First is Bitcoin and then everything else just
[00:37:08] Permanerd:
Well, mean, with all the flock cameras, you're gonna have to get off grid.
[00:37:12] Oshi:
My gosh. I've been seeing more and more of those things lately.
[00:37:16] Permanerd:
I I read an article or part of an article about these three kids somewhere in North Carolina maybe that that tore down a flock camera and then and then smashed the battery till it caught on fire. And the way this article is written, you would think that that flock camera was a a little a little child. You know? Like, it's just like, oh, and then they injured the flock camera and and stuff like this. What was it? This It's just a This brutal attack or something like that. You're like, it's a camera, dude. Like, you're you're I can see what they're doing. They're trying to, you know, they try to get this response out of people that, you know, that these things are human or, you know, personify them in a way that it makes it people get angry when someone cuts it down,
[00:38:05] Oshi:
and it's Mhmm. It's so brutal. They're killing our cute little stuffed bears.
[00:38:10] Permanerd:
Oh, yeah. And then the interview they do they did was some guy across the street, and he's like, dad, that fire could have caught my house in fire and burned it down. And he's like, you know, these these cameras, I think they could do some good. And you you know, of course, they're gonna get that jackass off the street to Yep. Of course. Yeah. They gotta they gotta prop them up somehow. Yeah. It's all it's all dumb. It's all stupid stuff that these people have no idea what these things are actually doing. Well, the and then I just came up with it yesterday and everyone else has probably already thought of this, but, I mean, it's called the flock camera and it what's it doing? It's recording the sheep. Yeah.
[00:38:45] Oshi:
Oh, I did see that. It's really funny. It is. Absolutely. 100%.
[00:38:50] Permanerd:
Yep.
[00:38:51] Oshi:
And then proton Just wanna, like, snip snip the cable. If you look up, there's, a little cable. You just snip it. Oh, I I mean, I would never do this because you always you should never
[00:39:02] Permanerd:
destroy other people's problems. Never destroy the flock cameras. Especially if they're, like, little children. Like, these flock cameras are apparent. Yeah. I mean, those little children have parents. You know? But I did see this three d this three d model to print, and it's a a hood that fits right over the camera. Yeah. I saw that too. I was gonna hit you up and be like, dude, print something and send something to me. No. I can do that. I mean Let's get that out there. But I mean it would just for be for research purposes, obviously. Of course. Of course. Like, I I totally support. Yeah.
Oh, man. And then, proton mail went down yesterday, so that was awesome. Yeah.
[00:39:38] Oshi:
I missed that.
[00:39:39] Permanerd:
It was down for I I don't know. Maybe a couple hours.
[00:39:43] Oshi:
Oh, what did they what did they say for the reason they get out? The reason I had seen, no. It was one of their data centers
[00:39:50] Permanerd:
over
[00:39:51] Oshi:
Oh, wow. There was someone else that had the same issue. I think it was I think it was spaceship.com which is another like domain provider. They had an email go out as well saying the same thing overheating something. That was wild.
[00:40:06] Permanerd:
Yep. Weird. But the only reason I brought that up is because I'm relying way too much on ProtonMail.
[00:40:10] Oshi:
I think I had mentioned that before and it was just a I use it too. Yeah. I use it as well. What are some other, better user friendly, alternatives?
[00:40:22] Permanerd:
Yeah. I don't know because it like, I really like the flow that I have going now with it. Mhmm. And I'm trying to I've been working with, like, the their docs and spreadsheets and stuff like that. But I also Yeah. Used the VPN a bit, but I used the alias so you can create the alias. Oh, yeah. And, I mean, I use that every time I need to sign up for Yep. Yeah. Have that as will be toast if that goes away because a real pain. Yeah. That's probably the most useful thing that they have, to be honest, for exactly that purpose of just using to sign up needing to sign up for something, just whip up a new alias and yeah. I've got a few of those. I've got tons. I've just basically went through and changed all my emails and everything to to aliases from Proton.
[00:41:13] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. I think the other provider that I saw, I think I signed up and I tried messing around with it, I was having issues with it, was Tuta, t u t a. Have you ever seen that? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it's called Tuta Mac. Yeah. It looks like it. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I I just had a I couldn't figure it out. It wasn't a good user experience. And this is the problem that a lot of these more secure encrypted kind of programs, they're just they're hard to use for people that are not tech wizards and stuff like that. We need we need to figure that out. Yes. And maybe it's just rolling your own.
[00:41:51] Permanerd:
You know, maybe it's
[00:41:52] Oshi:
self host which sounds extremely Hell. I mean, just whip up Kimmy. Maybe Kimmy three can whip up something. Yeah. Maybe. No idea. But then I don't know you'd be able be an alien. But we're getting close to that. I've been kind of poking around picking up another laptop and running a dedicated computer for running agents and stuff like that for for coding and having like a local LLM
[00:42:17] Permanerd:
sort of thing. Poking around that as of recently. You know, I set that up on on my main computer, which is a Lenovo laptop and has an eight gigabyte brand new GPU. Mhmm. And so I did, there's one there's the the Health Ranger. Oh, I can't remember his name. But he put out a a a free LLM, which he trained on tons of books. And so it's more of like a a survivalist. Tell you the truth. You ask about COVID or something else, it'll actually give you Yeah. Real answers and different medications and stuff like that. And so I got that one, and and then I was using, Jesus.
I don't know. Basically, the point of that is that I've been working on that as well and trying to figure out a harness is what it's called and different interfaces for it. But I also know that the developers have a setup to where,
[00:43:23] Oshi:
you know, they're running all night doing development and stuff like that, and I don't quite understand how that works. Yeah. I'm I'm trying to wrap my head around the very same thing. There's just so many different ways to doing it. Have you ever used Hugging Face at all for getting LLMs and just dialing them locally? No, but I've heard the name, was hacked recently, wasn't it? Oh, was it? I don't know. I missed that. I don't know. I'm just trying to understand all this stuff. Things are moving at a pace that is just overwhelming, but it's
[00:43:53] Permanerd:
it's good to just keep poking at this and learn up a little bit. There's just so many people that aren't even keeping up with this, which is blowing my mind. It is it is. Like you said, it's so overwhelming. And where do you start, and what's the minimum? That's kind of like the Yeah. The the hardest part is because I've been looking for a 12 gigabyte GPU to create to build, you know, a tower or to build a a server of some kind to be able to run AI AI on. But is that even necessary? Can I I mean, can my eight gig GPU on my laptop, is that can I do stuff with that as well?
[00:44:34] Oshi:
It's kind of low. You kind of ideally want 16 plus from what I was reading and watching yesterday. I was kind of going down. Eight is, you're gonna get some low grade quality models, but you could definitely put something on there. But definitely be looking for $16.32
[00:44:51] Permanerd:
for for your RAM because that's really what you need for these things. For the RAM or for the RAM? Which I understand. For the RAM. Well, that's it. I've got 16 gigs of RAM, but the problem is that it's DDR five. And to get another 16 is about $400. So I'm waiting for that to come down because I'm not spending $400 on 16. And then the GPUs, if you're talking a 14 or a 16 gig GPU, I mean, you're talking probably $2 for that too.
[00:45:20] Oshi:
Yeah. No. 12 is probably fine. It's more of the RAM that you you need to up from, again, from what I understand, but correct me. We'll get this sorted. We'll get it sorted. First step is still Yeah exactly. You know they say that graphene
[00:45:33] Permanerd:
they say that graphene OS is the gateway drug to AI. Yeah.
[00:45:38] Oshi:
Yeah. So give me a break. I'm trying guys. I've got so many other things I gotta juggle. Yeah. Exactly. I can just hear people now. What the fuck? What are they?
[00:45:49] Permanerd:
Leave me alone, Corey. I never claimed to be a tech podcast.
[00:45:52] Oshi:
Yeah, I'm not a tech, I'm not even a professional podcaster. I'm not even a professional freaking Yeah. Professional nothing. Professor nothing. Professor trying.
[00:46:05] Permanerd:
Well, the another thing we could talk about though is permaculture for a minute. If you want, we could do a palate cleanser from all this tech talk. Yep. Let's go. We're we're on permaculture principle number six. And the first one, number one was observe and interact, then catch and store energy, obtain a yield, apply self regulation and accept feedback, use and value renewable resources and services. And then number six is produce no waste, which is exactly what it sounds like. Turn any outputs that you can back into inputs whenever you can. And so no waste means designing a system where, quote, unquote, unwanted materials are either I mean, it's reduced, reused, recycled. And so I mean, this is one of the biggest ones for me, and this is one that I that I really like, the principles, because it allows for hoarding.
Right? Like like, every homestead you ever go to will have a junk pile. And, you know, it's it's it can be a bit embarrassing when people see it, but you have to realize that everyone else has one as well. Yep. And that consists of old wood, you know, pieces of of plywood, scraps two by four, anything that you can collect, lots of metal, scrap metal, stuff like that, and just things that pipes old old plumbing fittings. And it's all stuff that does come in handy or is useful to have, and you're not throwing it away. You'll eventually be re And that and junk and the way I like to spell junk is j u n q u e. And French. Yeah. Exactly. It's it's Junque. It's a it's fancy junk.
[00:48:14] Oshi:
Pinky up junk. Yo. That's a good name for the episode. Pinky up junk. Yeah.
[00:48:20] Permanerd:
Written that down. And that same philosophy for the junket can be used for plants as well. Right? And it's the problem is the solution fits really well into this one where, you know, you've got weeds in your garden and you don't want them there. So you pull them, but then you throw them to the chickens. Right? Or throw them in the compost. Instead, there's there's we have a a green bin recycling, which is organics. So food scraps, people put grass clippings, leaves that they rake up, and put them into these green bins for a truck to come and pull away. And every time you see that, it's like, but these are all important inputs.
You know? So you're basically creating outputs. And then what? You go to the store and buy some chemical fertilizer to throw on to your garden. You know? Even even if you have have weeds, you can, you know, pull them up or cut them down whether if they're gonna, you know, not regrow and use them for mulch on top of your beds. Like, I do that with a bunch of I leave weeds in just to cut them down and use them as a Yeah. Green manure, basically. And the same thing with, you know, catching rain and then keeping that on your property or taking the food scraps and giving them to the chickens and then using the chicken's manure in your compost. And so it just it's creating a a loop where the only things that you're sending off are things that you're that you're selling kind of, you know, like or trading or, you know, you're not just dumping stuff off of the property. You are recycling as much as you can back into your system. Mhmm. Yeah. I love it. I mean, that's just how the universe works. Nothing goes to waste and it becomes a game at that point. Like It's how much can you save and reuse and just keep it going. Well, yeah, absolutely. And then the first thing that you think of when you see something is like, okay, what can I do with that?
Not like, how do I get rid of this? What can that be used for? Where can that be integrated into? So Yeah. You know that they say that GrapheneOS is a gateway to permaculture.
[00:50:28] Oshi:
They do say that. I do believe it too. Definitely. So yeah. I wish this kind of stuff was more taught in schools. I don't think it really is. No. Of course not. Of course not. I know when I was in school, this kind of stuff, this kind of jargon was never spoken about. No, not at all. I wish it was. And I think that there are a few schools that are trying to incorporate it. But I mean, it goes against
[00:50:48] Permanerd:
the entire school system. Right? They generate self reliance
[00:50:52] Oshi:
and critical thinking. Heaven forbid. Oh my goodness.
[00:50:58] Permanerd:
But there are some, you know, there's different calibers of PDCs, which is a Permaculture Design Certificate. And you can even find, like, free free courses and stuff like that. And that's where I would highly recommend anybody to do that and go through a permaculture design course because it does open your eyes
[00:51:23] Oshi:
and you know it it translates to so many other aspects of your life not just gardening or farming or homesteading. Yep. Yep. Yeah. What would be really cool is to embed something onto the future potential Yada website where you can kind of we you can kind of build that and we can integrate it. That'd be really fun. Let's do it by next week. Yeah. Let me let me clear my schedule. But yeah, that'd be really cool to do.
[00:51:57] Permanerd:
Okay. Well, if you guys have any more questions, comments, suggestions, send us a boost. I think the last thing that that I have anyway to talk about is the jar, which generally we talk about at the beginning of the episode, but we decided to save it till the end mainly because I forgot. But it fits into this anyway. I know I've got maybe two or three on this episode. I think so. Last episode, I'm just looking at it right now, and the the jar is just Oshie and I trying to be cognizant of our speech patterns and not using filler words. And the two that we count are likes and ums.
In the last episode, Oshie had 4,266 words with 28 fillers for a point six six percent and one twenty seven likes. 27? That sounds about right. Well, I I I guess so, but it was, I mean, it was completely like, the one before that Maybe it's a bit inflated. Two likes. So my algorithm might maybe I need to revisit my my algorithm as to how Put checking these an Yeah. This is this is a no no mean science scientific here.
[00:53:16] Oshi:
This ain't science, kids. Trust the science.
[00:53:20] Permanerd:
And then I had 6,874 words with 26 fillers for a point 38%. That's two ums and 24 likes.
[00:53:32] Oshi:
Oof. We were on it on that one. Yeah. For sure. I don't know what happened on that episode. Like, I don't know. That's what happens when you take, you know, three weeks off. Absolutely.
[00:53:43] Permanerd:
Yeah. I think so. Well, we'll we'll see because we did this the second week in a row, so we'll see if that's I already feel that we did much better. I think I should put uhs back in maybe because I feel like I'm doing a lot of
[00:53:59] Oshi:
I don't know how that would pick up well or how it would count it accurately,
[00:54:04] Permanerd:
but maybe it will. Well, we could try. It was in there before I took it out. Maybe I should put it back. The
[00:54:10] Oshi:
sat jar. Or maybe we we should also put in a absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:54:19] Permanerd:
The the total from the jar because we we agreed at the beginning that we would both put 20 sats in for each like an that we said, And the the jar is now up to 11,600 sats. We wanted to have that on make sure you put that on the website as well. We need a location for the jar. But we had a little discussion before the episode, and we're wanted to put that out as a bounty. Is that is that right? Bounty? Yep. Yeah. Bounty because that sounds a bounty for a new logo for the Yada podcast. Because before we started the podcast, we have we both came up with a few things, and I don't even know who who vibe coded this with a prompt into a an AI agent, but we're looking for something new. So all that Yeah. Community contest. Be a square a square image. I don't know what the ideal size for it is, but it's
[00:55:23] Oshi:
It doesn't matter. As long as it's in the one by one ratio and anything really fits in it. I think it's also important to understand that it's going to be potentially a a very small thumbnail kind of image. So so the graphic should potentially be not too detailed. This isn't going to be printed or anything like that. So keep it simple. It could be. Could be. And and the words have to be big enough to read in a small Yeah. So yeah. You know, keep it simple. Keep it oh, there's a good there. It's a double That's 20 sats.
Double that's a fat right there.
[00:56:00] Permanerd:
Oh, there's a fat too. Yeah, but
[00:56:06] Oshi:
make it 12,000 stats. But, yeah, I think it would be fun to put a community contest for this logo thing. But, yeah, keep it small. Keep it fun, but keep it on brand if there is such a thing for what we're doing. Cool. That is When is that due by? Should we put a limit? Oh. By the a month? Couple weeks? Sure.
[00:56:26] Permanerd:
Something like that. By tomorrow? Before this episode is published. Yeah. I don't know. Let's just go with it and see what happens. Yeah. See if we have I don't know what okay. So people have this idea. How do they get it to us? They
[00:56:46] Oshi:
could send it. They just tag either you or me on Oster. Or both of us. Mean Or both of us just tag that or or also Yata Y a Yeah. T you Mention the logo thing and yeah, we'll we'll take a look. We'll compile them. Maybe even put out a Nostrapoll. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. We can do that. I can even probably vibe one up and yeah. There's there's a lot of ways to do it. Probably honestly the easiest way is just kind of post it on Nostrapoll hashtag yada. And yeah. Just pretty simple. And then we'll just zap you the the bounty.
[00:57:20] Permanerd:
Absolutely. There's another one. Mark it down. If you're not on Nostr, you should be. Only? I don't know. Or you just send an email to say hi at I mean you are the algo dot I we're nowhere else. Yeah. I mean
[00:57:36] Oshi:
So
[00:57:38] Permanerd:
You can send your thumbnail into an email as well if you're not nostril inclined. We might talk a bit of trash, but it won't be too bad. It won't hurt. And where can people find you?
[00:57:54] Oshi:
You could find me at oshigood dot us. I don't have any product right now. Other than the bitcoin beans cacao, I have blocks of that and also some of the chocolate stuff. So I I do his United States distribution shipping stuff. So hit me up, buy some blocks, Noster only and trying to think there's anything else. No that's that's it for me. I'm actually making more butter tomorrow I think but I'm out. I'm definitely out again. It's a good problem to have. It is. Are you are you stocked up? I'm pretty stocked up. I just
[00:58:30] Permanerd:
do the a run of Ice cream sandwiches. Some ice cream still not on the website. Hit me up. I'll send you some. Somebody send me a hit me up on Noster or go to the website. There might be an email on there. I have no idea. But, yeah, I did some sweet stack, the mixed fruit yesterday, so those are back in stock. Eric p, if you're listening, I sent you a DM on Noster with a question about your address. So Speak up. To me. Where is Daniel? Daniel thanks for bringing that up. Daniel still is gone. I still have a big box waiting to him. Just send it to me, and I'll eat it for I thought about doing that yesterday. I looked at the box. Alright. This is already paid for. Maybe I should just do some sort of a
[00:59:19] Oshi:
Yeah. Give it what is it? The twenty eighth? Give it to, by the end of the thirty first.
[00:59:25] Permanerd:
I'll take it.
[00:59:27] Oshi:
I will happily Yeah.
[00:59:30] Permanerd:
And then, Chad F, if you're listening, I sent your package out yesterday or two days ago. I don't know. Days just sort of melt together.
[00:59:41] Oshi:
Yeah, dude. Telling me. Speaking of packages. Family show. Shout out to my boy Danny out in Europe right now. I shipped something to him and it's in Italy right now being somehow held hostage in the warehouse somewhere and being sent back to me apparently for some unknown reason. Super, super annoying to ship overseas. So Danny, apologize brother, but I'll
[01:00:11] Permanerd:
settle you for sure. And, Danny, this is a quick question. Are are you are you Daniel by chance? I don't know. Okay. Until next time. With that, until next time, send us a boost and get those logo ideas in. And just remember that you are the algorithm. Yada.
Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. This is a completely unscripted show about whatever we want to talk about. Nominally nominally? Nominally. Bitcoin noster, selling things for Bitcoin, the circular economy, life in general. And the man behind those silvery strings is my good friend, Oshi. How are doing, Oshi?
[00:00:51] Oshi:
I'm doing well. They need a a change. They're getting kinda dirty, but hanging in, doing well, raining outside, building stuff, and here we are. Here we are for the second week in a row, which is good. Doing pretty good. Yeah. So far so good. But you're looking like gonna be gone next week, but we'll get to that.
[00:01:11] Permanerd:
Well, yeah, we can I'm going on a bow hunting trip for deer and maybe black bear. So maybe leaving on Wednesday. Haven't quite quite buttoned that up yet, but maybe we can record something before that and release it. Yeah. Hunting for a bear. That sounds really cool. Yes. I've had a I've bought a bear tag for the last probably five or six years and have never actually punched it. So if you end up with tags at the end, tag is just a you have to buy a hunting license and then you buy a tag. And then as soon as you harvest an animal before you even touch it, you're supposed to mark the tag, which on these ones, you just have to cut out little triangles that say when and where you got it along the edge of the paper tag.
And if you don't use it, then you put it into a pot of water with maybe some carrots and potatoes and have tags stew because that's all you're gonna eat. That's a big pot. Yeah. Well, the tags. I've got this I've got a collection of unused tags, which is not ideal.
[00:02:19] Oshi:
Well, I'm illiterate to most hunting things because I've I think I've only been once and I've never hunted for bear, especially. Sounds like sounds like a good time. But you're gonna come up with me. Right? Yeah. I'll be right there. Alright.
[00:02:33] Permanerd:
Along with being unscripted, this is a value for value show, which means we put it out into the And if you find value in it, then you can feel free to return that in any way that you want to, whether that's sharing the show, hitting us up on Noster, sending an email to say hi@youarethealgo.com, or anything else that you want. You can send us some some cover art or well, we'll discuss something else too that we're we're thinking about doing a little bit later. Mhmm. And one of the best ways or probably the best way is to send a boost from a two point podcasting two point o enabled app, which allows you to send increments of Bitcoin along with a message called a boostogram.
And all of those go directly to a node here in my office, which I'm also running Helipad on, and I can filter it for this show. And so we're we're self sovereign in that way, keeping track of all of our of our stats. And then those stats go to any expenses that we incur, so we certainly do appreciate them. And we just got a a boost twenty six minutes ago right before we went live, and it is from our good friend, Alice a, from Fountain. And that was a 199 stats, And the boostogram says q colon. On the topic of phones, what cellular service do you utilize?
ESIM, silent link, etcetera. Perfect question. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to that. A buddy of mine had the same question the other day. Nice. Okay. Thank you, Alice. We will we will, talk about that a little bit later on because we do we're unscripted, but we do have a subject that we wanna talk about. And the next boost is 333 sats from the legend Jim Seifert. And it says, in quotation mark, herds of fish, someone needs to be learned about schools. Smiley, wanky face emoji, hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown ostrich.
[00:04:54] Oshi:
What
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is it? And a murder of crows? It's a murder. I actually used that yesterday with my kid. They're like, there's so many crows where we were. Like, there's a murder of crows. He's like, I think there's two murders of crows. And then, you know, possibly. It's a homicide of crows. That's right. It's a genocide of crows. And then the next one is three thirty three. Can you guess who this is from?
[00:05:22] Oshi:
Is it from our boy I don't know who it is. Jim Seaford again? Yes. It is. Nice.
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I'm a legend. He says, I use wisp dark on Android. Works well. Hashtag SMIJ, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown oster.
[00:05:38] Oshi:
Awesome. I'll get to try wisp soon getting that Android. Nice. Hey. We'll talk about it. Yeah. That's called foreshadowing
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or fore foreplay depending on what the outcome is. Woah. Woah. Woah. Kids show. Kids I actually downloaded dark whisk. Whisk?
[00:05:55] Oshi:
Wisp. Whisk and eggs? That's right. Whisk and eggs, And
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because I had used Whisk before, and I quite liked it. And then so I downloaded DarkWisp, and I tried it a little bit. It took a long time to pull my follow list. I was like, oh, if you start following people, then we'll populate this whatever it is, the actual app. What? No. Come on now. Help me out. Were you able to log in with Amber? Yes. I did with that and Fountain Turkey on Noster. I think it was Turkey. If it's not, I apologize. Helped me out Because I was just so tunnel visioned on logging in with Noster Mhmm. On the Fountain app. And he's like, well, if you set it up with a with if you set it up if you had set it up with an email, then you have to log in with your email first. And so I logged in with the email, and it worked straight away. So, basically, I'm dumb is what it comes down to. Oh, no email for Noster. Come on. Yeah. Well, for not for Noster, for that was for Fountain, the Fountain app.
[00:07:07] Oshi:
Oh, for Fountain. Gotcha. Gotcha. So,
[00:07:10] Permanerd:
yeah, now I can get on a list, start really pounding it again. Because there's I I listen to a lot of podcasts, but it's so difficult to go back and and, no. Anyway, I talked about this before. I'm done. Stop stop asking me so many questions. Get on with it. Get on. Then the next boost is two twenty two from from bullish clips, another legend. So a row of ducks, and it says good to hear you got some sales at the bullish market, Permanerd. I hope to see you and Oshi at the at a future event like the good old days. Yeah, me too. I miss it. Yeah, we were there at the I think that I missed the very first one, then I was at the second one for probably three or four consecutive after that. Yeah. No, it's so cool. Whereas They're on the they're on the twenty first of every month. Right? Yes.
[00:08:03] Oshi:
Yep. Alright. I'm trying to make the next one bullish.
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I gotta. Yes. And thank you for the the boost. We appreciate it. The next one is 111 sats from bullish clips again. And it says the hashtag Yada podcast has some bullish energy. Yes. That is nice, and I agree. Then there's 544 stats from undisciplined. These are all these are all via fountain fountain app. And undisciplined says my car broke just like Oishi's while I was picking up my prom date. Damn. That sucks. I'm not sure which is worse. Mine or his? Well, at least he was driving his own car. My parents are driving me from my prom.
So Oh, well, that's true. Another story for another day. Yeah. We'll get to that. And let's see what we got. A 100 stats from Chad f, and it says hashtag 40 HPW, which is forty hours of podcast a week. I wonder where I'm at. Like, a yeah. Something I wanna talk about later too, perhaps. There's another read as created. It's called onlyboost.social. Oh, that's new. It is, and it's pretty cool. So I've got it on a list of things to talk about. Let's see if we get to it. Okay. If not, check it out. Onlyboost.social.
We've got a 101 sats from Nostragang, and it says Bob the Primus song. I don't know any Primus, to be honest. I don't know any Primus either. I'm Sorry. Yeah. But maybe that's something to look up. Bob the Primus. Bob the And thank you, Nostragang.
[00:09:57] Oshi:
Yeah. I've seen his account. I don't I've never really interacted with that account personally. I think it might be a her account. Her. Yeah. They. They, them, him, her, adult, child.
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The next four twenty from Rev Huddle, and it says, hashtag Yada podcast is back. Hashtag ask Noster. How does one listen to a podcast on Domus? Glad to hear the problem is the solution when it comes to dealing with all the volunteer all the volatility during the time off. Hear, hear. Yeah. Thanks, Rev. And Budgeting. Yeah. No one has still answered that question about Domus. It's nuts. Maybe we should ask Will, the guy who Oh, yeah. Will. Somebody hit up Will. You might know. JB 55 in the house. Will? Will know.
[00:10:46] Oshi:
Will he?
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And Rev Huddle is also with Reed on the local Bitcoiners podcast, which you should definitely listen to. Oh, and then speaking of which, we've got a big row of ducks, two two two two sets from Reed, and that is from boost me bitch. Oh, woah. Oh, I clicked on it. Don't do anything. And it just says welcome back, fellas. Thanks, Reed. Nice. Good to be back. And that wraps up all the boosters for this episode, so thank you, everyone. And like most of the people did here, you can grab the Fountain app. And if you need any help, I figured out how to log in to it now.
So I'm more than happy to help. Just reach out to us, and and we'd be happy to. The support team.
[00:11:43] Oshi:
That's right.
[00:11:49] Permanerd:
Alright. So what have we got on the agenda today? Well, was gonna go over the stat the the stats the stats real quick too if The stat stats. Yeah. We every episode, we go over run through some stats of no. Sat. I can't even say it, man. Some stats for the show, some analytics, if you will. Let's go. So our all time downloads are now at 11,405. The last episode, number 16, Bob is awesome, but probably should have done Bob is Primus. Is that what it was? Is up to 406 downloads. And the all time take it. Oh, what's that? I'll take it. Yeah. So this is number 17. Number 15, by the dip, is our the highest so far at 1,105 downloads.
No way. That's awesome. Which was two episodes ago.
[00:12:41] Oshi:
Bob was awesome. Bob is awesome.
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And then it's the same at the top, Apple Podcast, then, like we said before, Domus at 37%. And then fountain, brave, AntennaPob, pod, Edge, Pod Home with a point 59%.
[00:13:00] Oshi:
Wait. Did you say Brave? Like, Brave browser? Yeah. I guess so. That's what I use. Or no. I I use Zen. I use Zen browsers. It's like a alternate
[00:13:12] Permanerd:
of Firefox or something. Yeah. Actually, I have that on my list of things to look into. I heard I listened to some nerd podcasts, that was one of them. And then let's see here what we've got. We've got, I think, a couple more at the list of countries, including Uzbekistan, Togo. So we're trying to fill out this African map. I would need to get man, need more time, man. I'd like to really set up a website because we can this is all on podhome.fm, which we is where we host. And it's got a map of all the places that have downloads from and, like, all these analytics, which would be pretty cool to put onto a website. I know, I know. We should. I really need to
[00:13:58] Oshi:
it's so hard to get the time to sit down and do this because it just takes a lot of time to crank this out but no excuse. No excuses.
[00:14:05] Permanerd:
Yeah. Or that's another value for value proposition. Anybody wanna build a website?
[00:14:10] Oshi:
I kinda wanna do it. Yeah. I kinda wanna do it. Yeah. Mean, I would like to as well, but I don't know, man. I'll I'll put it on my sticky note here. Alright.
[00:14:18] Permanerd:
Get to it, bro. And then also Jamaica, Syria, Oman, Azerbaijan, Suriname, Botswana, Uganda, Montenegro. So that's pretty cool. There's, what, one two more Botswana and Togo, two more African countries. That's pretty sick. Do we have Antarctica yet? I don't see Antarctica even on here. Where is it? It's just gone. Somebody destroyed it. Oh, it's gone. No. We're missing Greenland and Paraguay. And there's a little a little dot in South America, I put my cursor over it, and it says France. Pretty sure is not in South America.
[00:15:01] Oshi:
I'm pretty sure too. I was always good at geography in school. France is not in Africa. Not in Africa.
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And Cuba. We're then we're missing Cuba. Let's see. Papua New Guinea, we need you to step up. Oh, Sri Lanka as well along with Bhutan and North Korea. Come on. Let's get some North Korea love here. And then last but certainly not least, I'd like to thank some streamers. And Jim Seaford is also streaming from Fountain. Sick. Yeah. And Chad f as well from Castomatic. Those are the the new ones. Yeah. So That's such a cool concept that you can do that. It really is too, which and it just means that you can set an amount for whatever you want and then stream per minute that you listen to a podcast.
Yeah. So So cool. Awesome. Thank you everybody for the support. It means a lot to us. And, I mean, this is a community driven podcast, and, I mean, I think that we're we're building and incorporating community pretty well. And it's yeah. I don't know. I I think it's pretty exciting. And quite frankly, I don't use this word a lot, but I love it. Oh, or abominable.
[00:16:24] Oshi:
Or it's abominable. Yes. Yeah. No. It's been cool. It's been really fun doing this. Never thought I'd be doing a podcast. So here we are episode 17. Right? It is 17. Heck yeah. Crazy.
[00:16:43] Permanerd:
Alright. Well, should we just start then with with Alice's question and and kind of morph into Yeah. Let's start with that. So the question again was on the topic of phones, what cellular service do you utilize? ESIM, SilentLink, etcetera. And I'll I'll go first. I Yep. I've got an actual SIM, a physical SIM, and I haven't utilized anything else. But I know that that my phone has the capacity to do so, and I may at some point. But I just haven't I think we'll talk about this later too. I haven't really found the need to do it yet.
And as far as, like, silent link, etcetera, I don't even know what that means. So
[00:17:27] Oshi:
how about you? Yeah. Well, I mean, you're you're running graphene, right? Mhmm. It's graphene is only for the Google Pixel phones. Is that correct?
[00:17:40] Permanerd:
The the Pixel's the only one at this point that Right. That they that they will support. Mhmm. But the
[00:17:51] Oshi:
Because it's able to go into, like, the bootloader kind of thing?
[00:17:55] Permanerd:
Yes. And I don't know if that's if that's what it is or if it's just, you know, every piece of hardware is different and you can't you can't support everything. And so they just picked the Pixel. I think maybe because they also have six or seven years of support, the Pixel does. Mhmm. And so they kinda piggyback The older ones are fading out though. On that. Yeah. The Pixel six is probably coming up end of life. Yeah. Think it ends in 2026,
[00:18:24] Oshi:
I believe. But I actually picked up a Pixel eight a couple days ago because I'm looking to make the move to finally running graphene. It's finally time. But right now I I use the iOS software OS unfortunately. It is what it is but the service I use I just use Visible. It's like a thing from Verizon but in terms of the whole eSIM silent link thing I'm not too sure. I was hoping you kind of could lay a bit more groundwork on that because you seem to be running graphene but it sounds like you just used the physical SIM card and then for your mobile service you're using just, I don't know, what's in Canada for mobile. Yeah. I'm using what is called Freedom Mobile and
[00:19:10] Permanerd:
it it's a growing network but it was it's just a cheaper version of the same big brother probably. And
[00:19:18] Oshi:
so a buddy of mine in the in the OSI chat who is here in my local, Bitcoin group here in town. He was asking because he also runs graphene. He picked up his setup maybe a few months ago so he's got a little bit of experience with it. But I was asking him how using the isolated users or like you can create like different users on graphene and kind of segregate them but he was questioning whether or not you can use an eSIM for one user and have that as your communications for incoming and outgoing phone calls. And whether or not that would compromise the privacy and security of any other user that you have on there. I'm not sure because I don't have it yet. I've never really spent much time with it. But if if you know or anybody else knows, definitely chime in here because I'm trying to trying to learn that. I don't know about the sim
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and whether you could each because full disclosure, I just made a profile another profile for the first time Oh, like another user. Before this, yeah, user profile, because you had brought it up as wanting to talk about. And and I'm glad I'm really glad you did because just creating that profile and not giving it any accent because that answer that first. When you create a a user profile, it is sandboxed from everything else. Sandbox. Right. And so and and along with you can create sandbox for apps too, but the profile, it it just started up blank, and it was so much faster.
And I say, okay. I really have a bloat problem. Like, I can't I I'm a I'm an app hoarder. Oh, this looks cool. And then I just so Uh-huh. I think what I want to do now is map out because you can create up to 32 u user profiles. Oh, wow. Yeah. On Graphene. So I think what I wanna do now is kinda map out different uses and then create a different profile for each one of those usages, and then it should be streamlined. Right. And each profile would, you know, just have less crap.
[00:21:30] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah I was watching Ben from PTC sessions. He does a really good breakdown of all this stuff and I was watching it the other day but until I get the phone then I'll kind of understand it a little bit better. But ideally from what I understand is you know you want a user profile that's your main, it's like your owner where you install certain dependencies for other things for the other profiles. But you can have a profile just for like managing your Bitcoin and maybe Noster and then maybe something else.
So that's really cool that you can have I don't think I'd ever use all of those profiles but having you know isolated, segregated, dedicated users for just your Bitcoin stuff or just social media, Noster stuff and then like your main one. So I'm really excited to mess around with it and if anyone has information about how to best use graphene for making regular calls and incoming calls and eSIM or whatever, whatever, Silent Link that would be very helpful because yeah I'm just trying to up my own personal setup here because ultimately this whole thing with security and privacy it's such a journey. There are so many
[00:22:48] Permanerd:
rabbit holes and things to go down so you got to just start and by golly, I'm starting. Good on you. Yeah, it can be overwhelming for sure. It is. There's just so much. And I mean, you kind of have to go full time in order to be an expert and to be an expert at it. Yeah. Just take it in bite sized chunks. You know? You don't wanna rush it and, you know, fuck something up or Yeah. This is so I was just looking, it looks like you can't select different sims per user profiles.
[00:23:18] Oshi:
Yeah. But you can get graphical I was wondering if you set up one user profile with the eSIM, would that like, I don't know, compromise the other ones that
[00:23:31] Permanerd:
don't I I don't know. I really have no idea how to, like, phrase the question exactly. Well, you what you can do this is according to chat. I'm totally researching as we go here. But it says that you can create or you can have Graphene ask you which sim you want to use each time. So if you're making a phone call or sending a a message or something, so you might be able to go that route and have it, you know, just ask every time. So then when you're doing illicit activities, which I'm sure you do often, then you can use one SIM for it.
But I also looked up SilentLink, which is private esims, which you can pay with Bitcoin, Lightning Lightning Mhmm. Or Monero Yeah. And pay as you go which is
[00:24:15] Oshi:
I'm gonna have to Yeah. There's so many options. My buddy, he said that he uses his graphene phone for just for using on WiFi whenever he has WiFi. And, yeah, he can actually put calls out. And I'm not sure if he can receive on WiFi. Oh yeah. But but okay. But then he also has like his regular driver phone for just phone calls and stuff like that. So having a two phone setup I guess is another ideal option. But I don't know. I really need the phone in hand to, like, mess around with this. Yeah.
[00:24:49] Permanerd:
It's it's crazy once you get into the the sims and, like you said, privacy. And I don't know know exactly, you know, you can use VPNs when you're attached to Wi Fi and, you know, VPN into your own home router and, you know, do all that type of networking to protect your privacy as much as possible, you know, and using Tor and anything else. But Yep. As far as mobile goes, I mean, it all seems to go through that SIM. So it seems like there's I mean, that's a tough way to go about it unless this silent link is is a way of using or having it. Yeah. No. It definitely is. I don't know too too much about it, but I definitely
[00:25:33] Oshi:
have a tab open somewhere. I'm like, yeah. It reminds me of what I was working on today. You just mentioned Tor. I was I was setting up I've got Tails OS as like a bootable bootable drive USB drive for I have like this old MacBook Pro from 2012 that I gutted the WiFi card from, so it's kind of like my dedicated offline computer for for really a couple specific things that I made for myself. It's kind of just to to create, you know, better offline seed phrases and stuff and kind of like do that whole thing. But also to install Sparrow Wallet and have that on there as like a persistence within Tails.
So I was working on that and trying to set that up and be able to connect just through like the Ethernet and Tor. Trying to just kind of step up the connection there so working on that. And also connecting with Electrum running from my node. So yeah, this whole like security thing is definitely piece by piece, but it's definitely fun to go on this. It's overwhelming sometimes.
[00:26:37] Permanerd:
It is. And there's just so many other things too. You know? Yeah. It's like everything else. You just like you're talking about tails. And then from there, you know, just security in general with Linux. And there are some distributions that are made exclusively for hacking or, you know, loading from a thumb drive, like you said, and and then trying to crack password. You know, if you're locked out of your computer and it's just an endless amount of information.
[00:27:05] Oshi:
I will say that after understanding Tails a little bit, I think it's a great entry point for people to go in. It's very simple to do especially if you just have like another computer lying around that you don't use. For again for my example I just had an older 2012 MacBook that I literally ripped out the WiFi card so there's no possible way of connecting to the network at all. And just kind of having a computer where you can do that and mess around with which was really helpful to learn on. So, yeah, definitely Tails OS I encourage people to kinda look into. Well, I'll throw out there too. If you have an old computer,
[00:27:42] Permanerd:
really old computer, you can also throw Linux onto it. And there are some Linux distributions like Tiny Linux and Puppy Linux, which the entire operating system is somewhere between five and ten megabytes. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. That might be something that would mean, that's a fun way to try to experience Linux too and to sort of start to understand the how many different distributions of Linux there are and different use case. You know? So you're you're not locked into Microsoft or Apple and just the amazing things that you can do by yourself. Mhmm.
[00:28:21] Oshi:
Yeah. There's so many, I don't know what you call them, different, things of Linux, like what you were just describing there. But then there's like Ubuntu and then what was it? Mint or something like that and like 16 other ones. Oh no, there's hundreds. So confusing. Okay, so explain to me, help me understand what is the difference between all of them? Well there's main,
[00:28:41] Permanerd:
there's main they're they're called distributions. Distribution. And so I wanna try to find you a a chart pretty but they what they you have the main ones, like Debian is a main one. Debian. Yep. And Fedora is a is kind of a different branch of Linux. And so, like, Linux Tails is probably Debian. Linux Mint, Ubuntu, and those ones, they're all derivations? Derivations. That a word? Cool. Derivations of Debian. So they use the same commands. But then they'll have different desktops on them or they come loaded with different apps or, you know, like Tails is a security surveillance type of distro.
Which comes with Electrum, which is cool. Oh, nice. And so they I I wanna put this in here real quick. But that's so that's the difference is and they're all based on Unix, which is what MacBook, Mac OS, is also a derivation, obviously closed source, but of of Unix. I don't know if that answered your question. Yeah. No. It does. There's a lot there's a lot to dive into. There really is. And, I mean, I find it fascinating just because everything has gone towards closed source. You know? It used to be when computers first came out, you would buy the hardware and the software would be free. And now you can get cheap hardware and you know going with subscription models and everything else the software becomes extremely expensive.
[00:30:17] Oshi:
Yeah. No open source is awesome. But there's there's a place though for closed source things that I don't really condone it but especially for you know keeping some code secure from like AI scrubs until you actually like you know work out the kinks and stuff like that. I heard someone talking about that and made sense to me but yeah definitely open source for
[00:30:38] Permanerd:
running you know, privacy things. You definitely want that. You want the code to be checked. Well, you do. And it's it is a double edged sword because now Yeah. With you know, as AI progresses, it you know, they're they're reverse engineering Mhmm. Software anyway. And so you're kind of almost shooting yourself in the foot by having it closed source because no one can look at And so if they find a zero day vulnerability, then it's open season. To tell the limited number of developers notices that there's a problem. Yeah.
I sent you a link in the chat about the thing if you want to look at it real quick. I'll try to remember to put It's a family tree. Oh gosh. And I don't know which one you're looking at, but these aren't even the ones that Slackware family tree? Yeah. And I I mean, that's just one Slackware too. But then if you look at, like, the the full Linux, it's hundreds and a 100. Oh, Jesus. So you can see Holy cow. You'll be able to see, you know, Debian. Expud.
[00:31:46] Oshi:
The hell is that? Wow. Yeah. There's a lot here. Yeah. Rabbit hole upon rabbit hole. It's like a New York City train station
[00:31:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. Exactly. That connects
[00:31:56] Oshi:
with, like, mycelial networks.
[00:31:59] Permanerd:
Jeez. Cool. Take a look at this. And there was a I got a comment on a question I had on Noster yesterday, and and it was the comment was, it was about it was about graphene. And and BF Green had mentioned something about, like, graph GrapheneOS doesn't fix the problem. You know? Something about, need you know, it got into a conversation about Android and I would somebody who'd never use Android. You know, the choices are Android or or Yeah. What iPhone, iOS. And and then BF Green said that, you know, graphene is not the solution. And it might not be as as it is now. I agree with that, but it's a lot better than the alternatives, in my opinion. Yeah. I mean, it's like Bitcoin, I guess. I mean, Bitcoin solves a lot of problems, but it doesn't solve everything. Right? Well, the the difference I see is that, you know, the Google Pixel phone, if you're using that and putting graphene on it, it's still even even when you boot it up, it says Google. Right? Because that's just in the firmware or the So what's better?
It would be an open source phone running an open source operating system.
[00:33:10] Oshi:
So are there any open source projects like that? Is anyone funding that? Well, I know Motorola has they said that they're coming out with
[00:33:18] Permanerd:
a GrapheneOS
[00:33:19] Oshi:
native phone. Yeah. Saw that.
[00:33:22] Permanerd:
And and so hopefully that's open source. And I think there are some other open hard phone hardware. Mhmm. But I don't have any of those handy, just the open source. So, yeah, that that I mean, this is a conversation that could go on forever and please let us know what where we're Yeah. Help help me understand. Yeah. Help him understand. Let me know where I'm wrong.
[00:33:46] Oshi:
At least I'm making the right steps. You know? That's that's the only thing that you can do. Right? Oh, absolutely. And I
[00:33:51] Permanerd:
and you are. And during that, even if it's not the best thing, you know, you're probably gonna learn a ton. Yeah.
[00:33:58] Oshi:
I'm just tired of hearing crap from people. Oh, you're on iOS. Okay.
[00:34:04] Permanerd:
I got the I got the graphene comment, guys. Hang on. Well, it's like Ford versus Chevy or something like that. Coke versus Pepsi. Okay. Or They're both garbage. What do you want? Yeah,
[00:34:17] Oshi:
man. I mean, whatever. Making the steps.
[00:34:20] Permanerd:
Moving on. Yeah. I'm proud of you, my friend. I'm proud of you. Thanks, dude. I appreciate that, dad. And, yeah, let me let me know if I can help you in any way. Yeah. For sure. I mean, you were a motivating factor for sure. So I ordered a Starlink yesterday. Oh, yeah. Let's get to this. Tell me more. Well, that's it. That was the end of my story, man. Why why you have to press? Well, I had breakfast this morning.
[00:34:47] Oshi:
I had eggs.
[00:34:48] Permanerd:
Now we've been doing a lot of just off grid, camping in places that there is no cell phone service. And and so in order to do that, we kinda need to be able to do some work as well. And so this will be something that will allow us to stay out longer and be able to do work when we need to. So I kinda went down the rabbit hole of creating a a Starlink setup with a battery and solar panel and all that stuff. I I find that kind of off grid power. That's something that interests me as well. How
[00:35:26] Oshi:
long was the process for you to kind of connect everything and understand it?
[00:35:30] Permanerd:
Not too long. I mean, I use ChatGPT for a lot of it just getting specs and kind of trying to sort out exactly how things will fit together because I already have I have a couple 100 watt solar panels. I have a battery, but the solar panels are two different types of solar panel. And just so just trying to figure out how to put them together. Right? Run Different outputs? What to have? Do they have different outputs or are they the same? Yeah. No. No. They're different different outputs. So, basically, what what adapters I need to hook them together and then what I need to actually power the StarLink. Mhmm. So we'll see how that goes. It should be here in a couple weeks after after we go on this trip, unfortunately. Mhmm. Yeah. Sounds cool. Keep me posted on that. Because we have our you know, our trailer has a couple really big deep cycle batteries that I had. And so just even trying to keep those those topped up, looking at another 440 watt solar panel. But then I need to buy a new charge controller for that and blah blah blah. I don't know. Have you done much with solar?
[00:36:38] Oshi:
No. Not at all. I need to, but, yeah, I haven't done any of that. It's pretty interesting. Or even DC to AC, watts and volts and
[00:36:47] Permanerd:
amps.
[00:36:48] Oshi:
Yeah. I I need to I need to get more into that. It's just hard to juggle everything and current life stuff, but,
[00:36:55] Permanerd:
yeah, something to do. They say that. First step is this graphing thing. Let me get that under my belt. OS is the gateway drug to solar.
[00:37:02] Oshi:
I believe it. Yeah. I mean, definitely. First is Bitcoin and then everything else just
[00:37:08] Permanerd:
Well, mean, with all the flock cameras, you're gonna have to get off grid.
[00:37:12] Oshi:
My gosh. I've been seeing more and more of those things lately.
[00:37:16] Permanerd:
I I read an article or part of an article about these three kids somewhere in North Carolina maybe that that tore down a flock camera and then and then smashed the battery till it caught on fire. And the way this article is written, you would think that that flock camera was a a little a little child. You know? Like, it's just like, oh, and then they injured the flock camera and and stuff like this. What was it? This It's just a This brutal attack or something like that. You're like, it's a camera, dude. Like, you're you're I can see what they're doing. They're trying to, you know, they try to get this response out of people that, you know, that these things are human or, you know, personify them in a way that it makes it people get angry when someone cuts it down,
[00:38:05] Oshi:
and it's Mhmm. It's so brutal. They're killing our cute little stuffed bears.
[00:38:10] Permanerd:
Oh, yeah. And then the interview they do they did was some guy across the street, and he's like, dad, that fire could have caught my house in fire and burned it down. And he's like, you know, these these cameras, I think they could do some good. And you you know, of course, they're gonna get that jackass off the street to Yep. Of course. Yeah. They gotta they gotta prop them up somehow. Yeah. It's all it's all dumb. It's all stupid stuff that these people have no idea what these things are actually doing. Well, the and then I just came up with it yesterday and everyone else has probably already thought of this, but, I mean, it's called the flock camera and it what's it doing? It's recording the sheep. Yeah.
[00:38:45] Oshi:
Oh, I did see that. It's really funny. It is. Absolutely. 100%.
[00:38:50] Permanerd:
Yep.
[00:38:51] Oshi:
And then proton Just wanna, like, snip snip the cable. If you look up, there's, a little cable. You just snip it. Oh, I I mean, I would never do this because you always you should never
[00:39:02] Permanerd:
destroy other people's problems. Never destroy the flock cameras. Especially if they're, like, little children. Like, these flock cameras are apparent. Yeah. I mean, those little children have parents. You know? But I did see this three d this three d model to print, and it's a a hood that fits right over the camera. Yeah. I saw that too. I was gonna hit you up and be like, dude, print something and send something to me. No. I can do that. I mean Let's get that out there. But I mean it would just for be for research purposes, obviously. Of course. Of course. Like, I I totally support. Yeah.
Oh, man. And then, proton mail went down yesterday, so that was awesome. Yeah.
[00:39:38] Oshi:
I missed that.
[00:39:39] Permanerd:
It was down for I I don't know. Maybe a couple hours.
[00:39:43] Oshi:
Oh, what did they what did they say for the reason they get out? The reason I had seen, no. It was one of their data centers
[00:39:50] Permanerd:
over
[00:39:51] Oshi:
Oh, wow. There was someone else that had the same issue. I think it was I think it was spaceship.com which is another like domain provider. They had an email go out as well saying the same thing overheating something. That was wild.
[00:40:06] Permanerd:
Yep. Weird. But the only reason I brought that up is because I'm relying way too much on ProtonMail.
[00:40:10] Oshi:
I think I had mentioned that before and it was just a I use it too. Yeah. I use it as well. What are some other, better user friendly, alternatives?
[00:40:22] Permanerd:
Yeah. I don't know because it like, I really like the flow that I have going now with it. Mhmm. And I'm trying to I've been working with, like, the their docs and spreadsheets and stuff like that. But I also Yeah. Used the VPN a bit, but I used the alias so you can create the alias. Oh, yeah. And, I mean, I use that every time I need to sign up for Yep. Yeah. Have that as will be toast if that goes away because a real pain. Yeah. That's probably the most useful thing that they have, to be honest, for exactly that purpose of just using to sign up needing to sign up for something, just whip up a new alias and yeah. I've got a few of those. I've got tons. I've just basically went through and changed all my emails and everything to to aliases from Proton.
[00:41:13] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. I think the other provider that I saw, I think I signed up and I tried messing around with it, I was having issues with it, was Tuta, t u t a. Have you ever seen that? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it's called Tuta Mac. Yeah. It looks like it. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I I just had a I couldn't figure it out. It wasn't a good user experience. And this is the problem that a lot of these more secure encrypted kind of programs, they're just they're hard to use for people that are not tech wizards and stuff like that. We need we need to figure that out. Yes. And maybe it's just rolling your own.
[00:41:51] Permanerd:
You know, maybe it's
[00:41:52] Oshi:
self host which sounds extremely Hell. I mean, just whip up Kimmy. Maybe Kimmy three can whip up something. Yeah. Maybe. No idea. But then I don't know you'd be able be an alien. But we're getting close to that. I've been kind of poking around picking up another laptop and running a dedicated computer for running agents and stuff like that for for coding and having like a local LLM
[00:42:17] Permanerd:
sort of thing. Poking around that as of recently. You know, I set that up on on my main computer, which is a Lenovo laptop and has an eight gigabyte brand new GPU. Mhmm. And so I did, there's one there's the the Health Ranger. Oh, I can't remember his name. But he put out a a a free LLM, which he trained on tons of books. And so it's more of like a a survivalist. Tell you the truth. You ask about COVID or something else, it'll actually give you Yeah. Real answers and different medications and stuff like that. And so I got that one, and and then I was using, Jesus.
I don't know. Basically, the point of that is that I've been working on that as well and trying to figure out a harness is what it's called and different interfaces for it. But I also know that the developers have a setup to where,
[00:43:23] Oshi:
you know, they're running all night doing development and stuff like that, and I don't quite understand how that works. Yeah. I'm I'm trying to wrap my head around the very same thing. There's just so many different ways to doing it. Have you ever used Hugging Face at all for getting LLMs and just dialing them locally? No, but I've heard the name, was hacked recently, wasn't it? Oh, was it? I don't know. I missed that. I don't know. I'm just trying to understand all this stuff. Things are moving at a pace that is just overwhelming, but it's
[00:43:53] Permanerd:
it's good to just keep poking at this and learn up a little bit. There's just so many people that aren't even keeping up with this, which is blowing my mind. It is it is. Like you said, it's so overwhelming. And where do you start, and what's the minimum? That's kind of like the Yeah. The the hardest part is because I've been looking for a 12 gigabyte GPU to create to build, you know, a tower or to build a a server of some kind to be able to run AI AI on. But is that even necessary? Can I I mean, can my eight gig GPU on my laptop, is that can I do stuff with that as well?
[00:44:34] Oshi:
It's kind of low. You kind of ideally want 16 plus from what I was reading and watching yesterday. I was kind of going down. Eight is, you're gonna get some low grade quality models, but you could definitely put something on there. But definitely be looking for $16.32
[00:44:51] Permanerd:
for for your RAM because that's really what you need for these things. For the RAM or for the RAM? Which I understand. For the RAM. Well, that's it. I've got 16 gigs of RAM, but the problem is that it's DDR five. And to get another 16 is about $400. So I'm waiting for that to come down because I'm not spending $400 on 16. And then the GPUs, if you're talking a 14 or a 16 gig GPU, I mean, you're talking probably $2 for that too.
[00:45:20] Oshi:
Yeah. No. 12 is probably fine. It's more of the RAM that you you need to up from, again, from what I understand, but correct me. We'll get this sorted. We'll get it sorted. First step is still Yeah exactly. You know they say that graphene
[00:45:33] Permanerd:
they say that graphene OS is the gateway drug to AI. Yeah.
[00:45:38] Oshi:
Yeah. So give me a break. I'm trying guys. I've got so many other things I gotta juggle. Yeah. Exactly. I can just hear people now. What the fuck? What are they?
[00:45:49] Permanerd:
Leave me alone, Corey. I never claimed to be a tech podcast.
[00:45:52] Oshi:
Yeah, I'm not a tech, I'm not even a professional podcaster. I'm not even a professional freaking Yeah. Professional nothing. Professor nothing. Professor trying.
[00:46:05] Permanerd:
Well, the another thing we could talk about though is permaculture for a minute. If you want, we could do a palate cleanser from all this tech talk. Yep. Let's go. We're we're on permaculture principle number six. And the first one, number one was observe and interact, then catch and store energy, obtain a yield, apply self regulation and accept feedback, use and value renewable resources and services. And then number six is produce no waste, which is exactly what it sounds like. Turn any outputs that you can back into inputs whenever you can. And so no waste means designing a system where, quote, unquote, unwanted materials are either I mean, it's reduced, reused, recycled. And so I mean, this is one of the biggest ones for me, and this is one that I that I really like, the principles, because it allows for hoarding.
Right? Like like, every homestead you ever go to will have a junk pile. And, you know, it's it's it can be a bit embarrassing when people see it, but you have to realize that everyone else has one as well. Yep. And that consists of old wood, you know, pieces of of plywood, scraps two by four, anything that you can collect, lots of metal, scrap metal, stuff like that, and just things that pipes old old plumbing fittings. And it's all stuff that does come in handy or is useful to have, and you're not throwing it away. You'll eventually be re And that and junk and the way I like to spell junk is j u n q u e. And French. Yeah. Exactly. It's it's Junque. It's a it's fancy junk.
[00:48:14] Oshi:
Pinky up junk. Yo. That's a good name for the episode. Pinky up junk. Yeah.
[00:48:20] Permanerd:
Written that down. And that same philosophy for the junket can be used for plants as well. Right? And it's the problem is the solution fits really well into this one where, you know, you've got weeds in your garden and you don't want them there. So you pull them, but then you throw them to the chickens. Right? Or throw them in the compost. Instead, there's there's we have a a green bin recycling, which is organics. So food scraps, people put grass clippings, leaves that they rake up, and put them into these green bins for a truck to come and pull away. And every time you see that, it's like, but these are all important inputs.
You know? So you're basically creating outputs. And then what? You go to the store and buy some chemical fertilizer to throw on to your garden. You know? Even even if you have have weeds, you can, you know, pull them up or cut them down whether if they're gonna, you know, not regrow and use them for mulch on top of your beds. Like, I do that with a bunch of I leave weeds in just to cut them down and use them as a Yeah. Green manure, basically. And the same thing with, you know, catching rain and then keeping that on your property or taking the food scraps and giving them to the chickens and then using the chicken's manure in your compost. And so it just it's creating a a loop where the only things that you're sending off are things that you're that you're selling kind of, you know, like or trading or, you know, you're not just dumping stuff off of the property. You are recycling as much as you can back into your system. Mhmm. Yeah. I love it. I mean, that's just how the universe works. Nothing goes to waste and it becomes a game at that point. Like It's how much can you save and reuse and just keep it going. Well, yeah, absolutely. And then the first thing that you think of when you see something is like, okay, what can I do with that?
Not like, how do I get rid of this? What can that be used for? Where can that be integrated into? So Yeah. You know that they say that GrapheneOS is a gateway to permaculture.
[00:50:28] Oshi:
They do say that. I do believe it too. Definitely. So yeah. I wish this kind of stuff was more taught in schools. I don't think it really is. No. Of course not. Of course not. I know when I was in school, this kind of stuff, this kind of jargon was never spoken about. No, not at all. I wish it was. And I think that there are a few schools that are trying to incorporate it. But I mean, it goes against
[00:50:48] Permanerd:
the entire school system. Right? They generate self reliance
[00:50:52] Oshi:
and critical thinking. Heaven forbid. Oh my goodness.
[00:50:58] Permanerd:
But there are some, you know, there's different calibers of PDCs, which is a Permaculture Design Certificate. And you can even find, like, free free courses and stuff like that. And that's where I would highly recommend anybody to do that and go through a permaculture design course because it does open your eyes
[00:51:23] Oshi:
and you know it it translates to so many other aspects of your life not just gardening or farming or homesteading. Yep. Yep. Yeah. What would be really cool is to embed something onto the future potential Yada website where you can kind of we you can kind of build that and we can integrate it. That'd be really fun. Let's do it by next week. Yeah. Let me let me clear my schedule. But yeah, that'd be really cool to do.
[00:51:57] Permanerd:
Okay. Well, if you guys have any more questions, comments, suggestions, send us a boost. I think the last thing that that I have anyway to talk about is the jar, which generally we talk about at the beginning of the episode, but we decided to save it till the end mainly because I forgot. But it fits into this anyway. I know I've got maybe two or three on this episode. I think so. Last episode, I'm just looking at it right now, and the the jar is just Oshie and I trying to be cognizant of our speech patterns and not using filler words. And the two that we count are likes and ums.
In the last episode, Oshie had 4,266 words with 28 fillers for a point six six percent and one twenty seven likes. 27? That sounds about right. Well, I I I guess so, but it was, I mean, it was completely like, the one before that Maybe it's a bit inflated. Two likes. So my algorithm might maybe I need to revisit my my algorithm as to how Put checking these an Yeah. This is this is a no no mean science scientific here.
[00:53:16] Oshi:
This ain't science, kids. Trust the science.
[00:53:20] Permanerd:
And then I had 6,874 words with 26 fillers for a point 38%. That's two ums and 24 likes.
[00:53:32] Oshi:
Oof. We were on it on that one. Yeah. For sure. I don't know what happened on that episode. Like, I don't know. That's what happens when you take, you know, three weeks off. Absolutely.
[00:53:43] Permanerd:
Yeah. I think so. Well, we'll we'll see because we did this the second week in a row, so we'll see if that's I already feel that we did much better. I think I should put uhs back in maybe because I feel like I'm doing a lot of
[00:53:59] Oshi:
I don't know how that would pick up well or how it would count it accurately,
[00:54:04] Permanerd:
but maybe it will. Well, we could try. It was in there before I took it out. Maybe I should put it back. The
[00:54:10] Oshi:
sat jar. Or maybe we we should also put in a absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:54:19] Permanerd:
The the total from the jar because we we agreed at the beginning that we would both put 20 sats in for each like an that we said, And the the jar is now up to 11,600 sats. We wanted to have that on make sure you put that on the website as well. We need a location for the jar. But we had a little discussion before the episode, and we're wanted to put that out as a bounty. Is that is that right? Bounty? Yep. Yeah. Bounty because that sounds a bounty for a new logo for the Yada podcast. Because before we started the podcast, we have we both came up with a few things, and I don't even know who who vibe coded this with a prompt into a an AI agent, but we're looking for something new. So all that Yeah. Community contest. Be a square a square image. I don't know what the ideal size for it is, but it's
[00:55:23] Oshi:
It doesn't matter. As long as it's in the one by one ratio and anything really fits in it. I think it's also important to understand that it's going to be potentially a a very small thumbnail kind of image. So so the graphic should potentially be not too detailed. This isn't going to be printed or anything like that. So keep it simple. It could be. Could be. And and the words have to be big enough to read in a small Yeah. So yeah. You know, keep it simple. Keep it oh, there's a good there. It's a double That's 20 sats.
Double that's a fat right there.
[00:56:00] Permanerd:
Oh, there's a fat too. Yeah, but
[00:56:06] Oshi:
make it 12,000 stats. But, yeah, I think it would be fun to put a community contest for this logo thing. But, yeah, keep it small. Keep it fun, but keep it on brand if there is such a thing for what we're doing. Cool. That is When is that due by? Should we put a limit? Oh. By the a month? Couple weeks? Sure.
[00:56:26] Permanerd:
Something like that. By tomorrow? Before this episode is published. Yeah. I don't know. Let's just go with it and see what happens. Yeah. See if we have I don't know what okay. So people have this idea. How do they get it to us? They
[00:56:46] Oshi:
could send it. They just tag either you or me on Oster. Or both of us. Mean Or both of us just tag that or or also Yata Y a Yeah. T you Mention the logo thing and yeah, we'll we'll take a look. We'll compile them. Maybe even put out a Nostrapoll. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. We can do that. I can even probably vibe one up and yeah. There's there's a lot of ways to do it. Probably honestly the easiest way is just kind of post it on Nostrapoll hashtag yada. And yeah. Just pretty simple. And then we'll just zap you the the bounty.
[00:57:20] Permanerd:
Absolutely. There's another one. Mark it down. If you're not on Nostr, you should be. Only? I don't know. Or you just send an email to say hi at I mean you are the algo dot I we're nowhere else. Yeah. I mean
[00:57:36] Oshi:
So
[00:57:38] Permanerd:
You can send your thumbnail into an email as well if you're not nostril inclined. We might talk a bit of trash, but it won't be too bad. It won't hurt. And where can people find you?
[00:57:54] Oshi:
You could find me at oshigood dot us. I don't have any product right now. Other than the bitcoin beans cacao, I have blocks of that and also some of the chocolate stuff. So I I do his United States distribution shipping stuff. So hit me up, buy some blocks, Noster only and trying to think there's anything else. No that's that's it for me. I'm actually making more butter tomorrow I think but I'm out. I'm definitely out again. It's a good problem to have. It is. Are you are you stocked up? I'm pretty stocked up. I just
[00:58:30] Permanerd:
do the a run of Ice cream sandwiches. Some ice cream still not on the website. Hit me up. I'll send you some. Somebody send me a hit me up on Noster or go to the website. There might be an email on there. I have no idea. But, yeah, I did some sweet stack, the mixed fruit yesterday, so those are back in stock. Eric p, if you're listening, I sent you a DM on Noster with a question about your address. So Speak up. To me. Where is Daniel? Daniel thanks for bringing that up. Daniel still is gone. I still have a big box waiting to him. Just send it to me, and I'll eat it for I thought about doing that yesterday. I looked at the box. Alright. This is already paid for. Maybe I should just do some sort of a
[00:59:19] Oshi:
Yeah. Give it what is it? The twenty eighth? Give it to, by the end of the thirty first.
[00:59:25] Permanerd:
I'll take it.
[00:59:27] Oshi:
I will happily Yeah.
[00:59:30] Permanerd:
And then, Chad F, if you're listening, I sent your package out yesterday or two days ago. I don't know. Days just sort of melt together.
[00:59:41] Oshi:
Yeah, dude. Telling me. Speaking of packages. Family show. Shout out to my boy Danny out in Europe right now. I shipped something to him and it's in Italy right now being somehow held hostage in the warehouse somewhere and being sent back to me apparently for some unknown reason. Super, super annoying to ship overseas. So Danny, apologize brother, but I'll
[01:00:11] Permanerd:
settle you for sure. And, Danny, this is a quick question. Are are you are you Daniel by chance? I don't know. Okay. Until next time. With that, until next time, send us a boost and get those logo ideas in. And just remember that you are the algorithm. Yada.
Unscripted kickoff and Oshi's hunting plans
Value for value support and listener boostograms
Show stats, downloads, and global listeners
Alice's question leads into phone privacy
GrapheneOS profiles, eSIMs, and secure setups
Tails, Linux distros, and open source tradeoffs
Starlink for off grid work and solar power
Flock cameras, surveillance, and ProtonMail issues
Local AI models, GPUs, and keeping up with tech
Permaculture principle six: produce no waste
The sat jar and a logo bounty for listeners
Where to find them and closing notes
