In this episode, Oshi and I catch up on summer life, then get into one of the most practical Bitcoin topics we’ve covered so far: how to acquire non-KYC bitcoin. We make the case that the best path is still the simplest one: sell a product or service for sats. From there, we walk through peer-to-peer options like RoboSats, Bisq, meetup trades, and Bitcoin-focused social tools, while also touching on gift cards, payment rails, mining, and why self-custody matters if you don’t want to leave your bitcoin sitting on an exchange. Along the way, we talk about wallets, Lightning, local communities, and the kind of tools that make Bitcoin feel real the first time you use it.
In the second half, we head back to the permaculture porch and talk about “the problem is the solution.” Instead of treating weeds like nettle, thistle, and dandelion as waste, we explore how to turn them into fermented fertilizer, compost inputs, and useful biomass. That leads naturally into permaculture principle number three, obtain a yield: designing systems where every part of the landscape contributes something useful, whether that’s food, medicine, habitat, mulch, or resilience. We wrap with a merchant spotlight on Jimble’s Jumble, a sats-friendly preserve maker, and reflect on how Bitcoin and permaculture both reward local knowledge, circular systems, and doing more with what you already have.
- Nostr: https://www.joinnostr.com/
- Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
- Podcasting 2.0: https://podcasting2.org/
- Podhome: https://www.podhome.fm/docs/podhome-ai
- Umbrel: https://umbrel.com/
- Helipad: https://apps.umbrel.com/app/helipad
- Alby: https://getalby.com/
- Orange Pill App: https://www.orangepillapp.com/vision
- Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/topics/bitcoin/us/
- Coinbase: https://www.coinbase.com/about
- Kraken: https://support.kraken.com/
- Gemini: https://www.gemini.com/
- RoboSats: https://robosats.org/
- Bisq: https://bisq.network/
- Peach Bitcoin: https://peachbitcoin.com/
- Bitrefill: https://www.bitrefill.com/us/en
- The Bitcoin Company: https://thebitcoincompany.com/
- Strike: https://strike.me/en/faq/where-is-strike-available/
- Cash App: https://cash.app/learn/getting-started/what-is-cash-app-and-how-does-it-work
- Venmo: https://venmo.com/pay/start
- Take My Sats: https://www.takemysats.com/
- BTCPay Server: https://docs.btcpayserver.org/
- Bitaxe: https://www.bitaxe.org/
- Solo Satoshi: https://www.solosatoshi.com/
- Decentral: https://decentral.ca/
- Apricot Lane Farms / The Biggest Little Farm: https://www.apricotlanefarms.com/
- Jimble's Jumble: https://jimblesjumble.odoo.com/
- Bitcoin Improvement Proposals (BIPs): https://github.com/bitcoin/bips
- BIP 110 entry in the BIP repository: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips
- Bitcoin Whitepaper: https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper
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Send an email: sayhi@youarethealgo.com
[00:00:24] Permanerd:
Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd and I am joined as always by the guitar aficionado and my partner in crime, Oshi. How you doing, Oshi? Doing good. It's
[00:00:42] Oshi:
always funny doing those riffs. I never know never know exactly what I'm gonna do but it's it's a fun little ditty.
[00:00:48] Permanerd:
Yeah. Just start talking when I when I think you're gonna stop.
[00:00:53] Oshi:
Yeah.
[00:00:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. It's fun. I'm Seemed glad to work you out. Yeah. Yeah. It's a
[00:01:00] Oshi:
How are you? How's everything on your end? Doing
[00:01:03] Permanerd:
alright. Yeah. It's the cat who broke his leg is now gimping along with the cast on, getting around really well. So that's that's good. I forgot about the cat. Yeah. Yeah. He's not pooping all over himself anymore. So Oh, god. Now it's just me. Per usual, a lot of a lot of baseball. So they they had their the summer league, very competitive league. They had their first, doubleheader, which I picked up the kid from the airport and drove straight to the game on Sunday. So he missed the first game but was in the second game. They won 10 to three the first game and 16 to two the second.
Is that even legal? Like, scoring that high? Not in some states, but, yeah, it was a It should just be a forfeit at that point. The other team was not not ready. Well, they actually said to in our they were the home team, so we had Yeah. Our at bats and the it's only they're only four inning. And they said they said, okay. We're we're done. We're tapping out. And so we said, okay. So we pulled our kids in off the bases, and then they said, we wanna bat. Oh, we thought you guys were folding, but you just wanted us to get off. Alright. Cool.
[00:02:17] Oshi:
Give him a chance, guys. Let him hit three. Yeah.
[00:02:20] Permanerd:
That was good. Still trying to find Daniel in Minnesota.
[00:02:26] Oshi:
Man, Daniel. There was a Dan Dan that put in an order for me last week. I'm not sure if this is him, but he's also from Minnesota.
[00:02:34] Permanerd:
I thought that was wasn't that Michigan?
[00:02:36] Oshi:
Or was it Michigan? I can't remember if you said Minnesota or Michigan. Oh, yeah. One of those. He's out there still.
[00:02:41] Permanerd:
Are those considered flyover states? No. I Well,
[00:02:46] Oshi:
anyway, Daniel Wait. What do you mean by that? Educate me.
[00:02:50] Permanerd:
The flyover states are just states that nobody goes to intentionally. They're just flat they're they're states that you fly over in an airplane. Ohio, that those type. And I don't know if it's I'm not exactly there's I don't know. Midwest states. Illinois is probably a flyover state. I I've never heard that term. Although Chicago's there, so I don't know. Somebody's smarter than me. If you live in a if you live in a flyover state, hit smash the like button. And if you don't subscribe Yeah. Because now you're supposed to do it. Smash it. Smash.
Smash the booze button. How about you man? What's new with you? Today,
[00:03:33] Oshi:
made a bunch of butter, packaged that up. Few orders came in this last week which was really good because I don't know why. Maybe Bitcoin price is just down. That's not exciting for people so they're not spending their sats. I don't know what it is. But you know, it's been good past few days. Can't complain but getting work done. Family is visiting in town. Sun is out, trying not to melt at the same time. I'd much prefer the heat rather than the snow or rain. So it's welcomed. I think one of your family members brought you some gifts. Yeah. Yeah. She brought me my aunt. She brought me some peaches.
Brought me some raw milk. It's an awesome aunt if you ever ask me. It's like that's pretty sick. She's the same aunt that bought me a gallon of milk for Christmas one time. Of raw milk. Raw milk. Yeah, nice. Pretty sick.
[00:04:23] Permanerd:
Yeah, it's not the same as bringing a gallon from here's your 3% homo milk.
[00:04:28] Oshi:
You can grow a third arm.
[00:04:35] Permanerd:
Awesome. Well, this is a value for value show, which means that we don't have any way to or we don't throttle it. What am I trying to say here? There's the friction. There's very low friction in getting this this show. And all that we ask for in return is any value you receive, send it back, and that could be an email, sharing the show, laughing, listening. And one of the That's good. That is good. One of the ways we do it or that you can do it is through podcasting two point o enabled apps that allow for boosts and boostograms.
And these are the easiest way for us to get it because it all comes to my Umbral node, which is running helipad. And from whatever source you boost, I filter them out, which the list this week starts with a row of sticks, one one one one sats from Eric FJ. And it says sync. These lovely gentlemen want us to talk about bip one ten. Wanna dive into the fire? And that would be good. I would listen to It's a hot fire. It seems to be. Yeah. Hopefully, we'll get a little clarify for Norm. It's like a Yep. And then the next one is another row of sticks from Eric FJ again.
And it says it's like totally all our fault. Sorry. Hashtag dick Richard. I can't I what does he refer I have the memory of a I don't know. Maybe he's referring to the BIP one ten thing. Or I'm blaming them on I'm blaming the Daniel. Oh, true. Yeah. Daniel, come on, man. You gotta you gotta find us, please. Well, hope he's not locked up in Eric f j's basement. So these are from the last episode, which is actually titled where is Daniel because sent him a couple more emails.
[00:06:35] Oshi:
Maybe they're just going into his, like, spam.
[00:06:38] Permanerd:
Ugh. I said one. I guess the next boost is 333 from Jim Seaford. Thank you, Jim. And it said, use cardboard under mulch where I want to smother unwanted plants. Dry cardboard under mulch acts like a roof and sheds water. With wet cardboard, best to get it good and soaked and keep moist. Better yet, shed it, shred it before soak. Mhmm. And that is completely true because if you have dry cardboard the only thing that I can say is if you do make sure that it's it's leaning towards the plant that you're surrounding so that the water sheds into that.
Otherwise, yeah, it need and it does smother plants, but it also adds that carbon for them as well. What's the difference with shredding it? Well, it just it's that surface area. Okay. That's I was gonna say. Yeah. So it it allows for the water the moisture to soak in a lot easier. And it's that we talked about before the edge and how most there's more biodiversity and life on the and so you're what you're doing is creating more Life on the fringes. That's right. Well, it's interesting because say say you're you're digging a pond. Mhmm. And instead of just having a pond, if you start creating fingers in it, you know, or little peninsulas and stuff like that Mhmm. Then you're creating that edge and you're going to end with more biodiversity.
Makes sense to me. Yeah. It's and then the next one is ten thirty three, also from Jim Seaford. And it says, so I'm on face crap, and there's this Danny guy going off about some perma dude's shitty service and worst communication, blah blah blah. And I'm like, woah, man. You gotta yada. Hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown up.
[00:08:31] Oshi:
Face crap.
[00:08:34] Permanerd:
Woah, man. You got a yada. Yada. A good laugh. And then 99 sats from Web Social on the mountain, which is Dan Noster, a good follow and a fellow liver of Canada or in Canada. And this one just says, destroying their like and count at the twenty one minute mark. Yeah. We'll get to that count later. Yeah. We just, we did. We just sort of annihilate. Next one, a thousand stats from Falu, our good friend. Falu. Awesome. And it says, I actually don't listen to podcasts, but I happened to skin the transcript and caught y'all talking about me, which is Wow. Great. And I'm just so please, Filu, fill me in here. You don't listen to podcasts. You just read the transcripts?
[00:09:29] Oshi:
That doesn't sound like fun.
[00:09:32] Permanerd:
That sounds like more work. I don't know unless he has a sort of
[00:09:36] Oshi:
search set up just looking for his name. I remember him telling me that he has his phone all in black and white, which I think is pretty cool and funny.
[00:09:45] Permanerd:
Is it,
[00:09:46] Oshi:
is it the I I think it's just to help with distraction.
[00:09:49] Permanerd:
I don't know. Cool. That is it. Those are all the boosts. So thank you everyone very much. We're gonna need some more boost definitely to cover the costs. The host could start. Sorry. I hit my mic here. I can't take you anywhere. Alright. Another thing we like to go over in this first part of the show are the, the show analytics, which come from podhome.fm. We host this show, and we are now creeping up on 8,000 downloads with 7,924. Last episode, number 12, Where is Daniel? Is up at 561 downloads.
[00:10:33] Oshi:
Cool.
[00:10:35] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's good. It definitely is was doing better. It was the name.
[00:10:40] Oshi:
Yes. That was And maybe the thumbnail. The thumbnail's pretty good.
[00:10:43] Permanerd:
It is pretty good. Check it out. Again, well, we being Oshi generates the images for all the shows, so each episode has your podcast player. Yeah. We keep them fun. Number 11 did it's it's slowed considerably. Not sure. Ren in trouble, and that is only at 490 download. Actually, lowest ever. I mean, it hasn't had as much time as all the rest of the, but Mhmm. It's definitely a a slow roller. And then the next one, number 10, is at seven hundred. The highest ever oh, no. It's a tie. Oh, so let's break the number four, Abominable Farewell, and number three, Fearless Circular Economy. Both are at 800.
How about that? How about how about that?
[00:11:31] Oshi:
You know who can break the tie? Our friend Dan.
[00:11:35] Permanerd:
Dan, help us out. And actually, that was their message on fountain from Ivor Tola. And it says, oh, I miss Daniel. Must be the clouds in my eye. What is that from? Daniel, my brother. The Elton Oh. We talked about that of Elton John. The Daniel man you were supposed to Yeah. Well Oh, well. In all your free. Yeah. Right? Oh, and I don't think we have any new new more abstract countries. Best way to say it. But this is Ukraine, Laos, and Cameroon. That's still pretty cool. Still the newest. Yeah. Yeah. And then the last part is the Lykum jar. Let's go.
So for episode 12 and this is just something for us to keep accountability for our speech pattern filler words. Oishi had 4,258 words spoken, 17 fillers for a percentage of point four zero percent, and that's three ums and 14 like.
[00:12:42] Oshi:
Sounds about right. I think we inflated it a little bit when we was it that episode? We were kinda mocking it a bit. Yeah. That's what that's what Dan Wedge was referring to. Okay. Yeah. We sort of started saying like them, like them, like them, like them.
[00:12:58] Permanerd:
And That's pretty good. Then I had 5,915 words with 24 fillers for a percentage of point four one. Oh. So point 01% more than you had. That Okay. Six ums and 18 likes. Wow. I can do better. Like like like like.
[00:13:18] Oshi:
Shh. Don't do it. You gotta speak gooder. I speak goodly. I speak goodler.
[00:13:27] Permanerd:
Alright. So that is all of the stats. Thanks everybody for listening and any feedback is appreciated and welcome.
[00:13:38] Oshi:
Yeah. Send more questions in through the,
[00:13:41] Permanerd:
mostly through Fountain. Right? Those were all from from Fountain. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Send them in. And I've also been working with with my friend Ivor. I opened up a channel or a wall a sub wallet on Albie for him because he's having. Oh, cool. Like, kind of like an Uncle Jim? Yes. Yeah. I like to do that for my less intelligent. It can get complex quick. And I will admit. What he is now, he he's down in New Zealand, and we've been discussing a bit on how he can get some non k y sats. And I don't think it's even, you know, to to be under the radar or anything. I think it's and everybody that has gone through the KYC process lately, it seems to get just more invasive, you know, and now you have to take a picture with your driver's license standing on one foot while
[00:14:38] Oshi:
Yeah. Standing in front of your house Polluting the flag. Favorite color, patting your head, rubbing your tummy. Yeah.
[00:14:44] Permanerd:
Yeah. It it's stupid. And for anybody who doesn't know what KYC is, it's just know your customer. And so if you are buying Bitcoin from an exchange, say Coinbase or Kraken or Gemini. Gemini, Winklevoss. And and and so in order to do that, you have to prove your identity and fill out a bunch of nonsense. I understand that this is gambling, and I will not invest more money than I actually have instead of treating people like adults and being able to spend their fiat nonsense as however they want to. Yeah. Totally anti Bitcoin,
[00:15:21] Oshi:
mind you. Yeah.
[00:15:23] Permanerd:
And that's brings the point too. Don't don't leave your Bitcoin on an exchange. If it's on an exchange, it's not your Bitcoin, not your keys, not your cheese.
[00:15:32] Oshi:
Not your palm.
[00:15:35] Permanerd:
And so we we decided that it would be worthwhile to go through some options for non KYC Bitcoin. And I'll go first, and it it's the Sure. The way that we actually met, and that is through commerce, through selling things directly to a a customer who's paying you in Bitcoin. And now you're getting those directly and you're not going through the funnel of bureaucracy.
[00:16:06] Oshi:
Yeah. That's probably the best way to acquire it. Just sell sell a product or a service. And I I know that you have other methods as well. Yeah, there's a few. So other than selling stuff on primarily Noster, I also use RoboSATs which is, lightning based kind of escrow kind of thing. Been using that for quite a while. It's helpful to have some channels open already so maybe it is a bit complex for people that have no idea what I'm talking about but it's worth looking into. But I recommend RoboSATs. But another way to do it is really local Bitcoin meetups.
Seek those out, become friends, and just do some peer to peer trades because you know other Bitcoiners unfortunately we have bills to pay just like everyone else and that's all in fiat. And sometimes we're looking for some liquidity to pay for those. So become friends with people at your meetups and maybe do it that way. That's probably the step, next best step after selling your product or service for it,
[00:17:18] Permanerd:
I would say. For sure. And even I mean, I'm with my limited meetup experience, one. But even then, there was new people that were exploring Bitcoin, and they brought cash. And, you know, $20, whatever, and everybody there you know, even if you don't wanna sell your Bitcoin, I I sold somebody $20 just to fill up their wallet a bit. Mhmm. So I think people are willing to sell for Fiat to help somebody else out in those situations.
[00:17:51] Oshi:
Yeah, for sure. You gotta get them just in the motion of, you know, actually doing it and experiencing it. Because, know, if you experience it once, then it just becomes more real and you start to do more of it, you start to find other people, and it just kinda snowballs from there really. Well, you realize that it's not rocket science. You know, maybe behind the scenes it is, but the way that we're working with Lightning wallets and instantaneous
[00:18:17] Permanerd:
transfers, Satosh Mhmm. Is easy. I mean, for the most part, once you have your wallet set up, there's not very much friction to do that either. Give me $10 and I send you the equivalent in sats and it's done. And just watching the the couple people's faces that I did that with at the the meetup was fantastic. Just watching them go, oh, ah,
[00:18:40] Oshi:
wow. That was fast. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean by experience. Like you got to get them to just feel that too. But I think another thing that Bitcoin needs to become, and it has been, it just needs to be easier to use, like better wallets, better user experience with them which enables easier payments and you know all the developers right now are really working on it continuously. So that front is just becoming better you know. So as time goes on, I think people are gonna arrive to, you know, the conclusion that, oh, this is definitely the way to be using Bitcoin and not keeping it on the exchanges and not even spending it. I think, you know, you gotta spend your Bitcoin. That's like the other important factor in all of this. Which
[00:19:24] Permanerd:
people are definitely looking for. And so we've said it many times. If you have a product, sell it for Bitcoin. Put it on Noster. Take it to a local meetup. Whatever you need to do, and just just start. And I think you'll be addicted when you start selling things for real money. Yeah. How did you end up finding your Bitcoin meetup? I think I just ended up searching for it. I don't remember if I don't think anybody mentioned it. I think I just eventually searched for it and it was on meetup meetups Yeah. Dot
[00:19:59] Oshi:
I was using what was it? The Orange Pill app? They like changed their name though to or something like that. I find it a useful app though to exactly for this purpose is finding meetups, you know specifically and just going. You'll be surprised by like the new friends that you develop by going to these. It's it's really It's really cool, especially just, I don't know, asking questions and sharing your experience and really doing the proof of work I would say. I have that app
[00:20:31] Permanerd:
but I didn't there was something in the Yeah.
[00:20:35] Oshi:
They changed some things up for sure. I think they got all KYC. Yeah. I guess you can just look for them on Facebook. Face crap.
[00:20:46] Permanerd:
Yep. Or or meetups.com. A lot of them are on meetups. Then also local Bitcoiners. I'd like to see that get more traction Oh, yeah. From meetups. Yeah. True. So you had mentioned RoboSats, which are are is one peer to peer marketplace, and I haven't used RoboSats. The only one I've used is Bisk, b I s q. Mhmm. And I always had a good experience with that. There's one time where I transferred money from my bank account, and then the the Bitcoin never showed up. And so I ended up filing for a ticket. And I think they have a DAO or some sort of regulatory body. Is but eventually, the the guy sent the SATs over. And so because that's one of those things where, you know, you give somebody money and they don't send you the Bitcoin, there's not much you can do. It's not like Visa where you can dispute it, but it worked out. Yeah. And so they ended up sending him over the the SATs and everything was fine. That's good. So that's another one. I've actually never used BISC, just RoboSATs. RoboSATs has been pretty clean, pretty easy to use as far as I've been using it. I think there was maybe only one time where I had an issue but it
[00:21:59] Oshi:
was really no big deal. Bisque is something I need to look into. I think bisque is better for larger purchases though. I know on RoboSATs the largest purchase that I've seen available is maybe up to like $3,000
[00:22:11] Permanerd:
worth. Yeah bisque is is whatever somebody wants to sell. I'm sure there's a minimum. Yeah. But, I mean, I think I was buying a 100 or dollars. Mhmm. Just to try it out? Yeah. And I'm poor, so that's all I could oh.
[00:22:25] Oshi:
And then there's another one called Peach Bitcoin, which I've never u but if Oh, Peach. Yeah. I like their user interface, but I think they're only restricted to UK, I believe Mhmm. Unfortunately. Yeah. Peach is a good one too.
[00:22:38] Permanerd:
And there's another and I I'm not sure which one accepts it, but some of them will allow you to use gift cards to purchase. Yeah. There's BitRefill
[00:22:48] Oshi:
and then there's the Bitcoin Co which I actually just used today to get a digital Visa card and I use that for buying more of you know for shipping for pirate ship to fund my account that way. So Bitcoin Co is another one for just buying you know digital Visa cards or whatever gift card that way. And that's using Bitcoin to buy the Yeah. Gift Okay. Because there's an I believe that some of them allow you to use, gift cards
[00:23:17] Permanerd:
so that you're not using your bank account Mhmm. You know, doing it. Because in Canada, I don't know if The US had do does US have etransfers yet? B. Where you can send email to a or you can send money from your bank account to an email address and a deposit?
[00:23:35] Oshi:
I don't I don't think so. Okay. I've never done that anyway. Yeah. It's very common up here in Canon. Yeah. With the Bitcoin Co option though, you get Sats back which is pretty cool. Depending on you know how how big the purchase is. That's what I think I got, yeah I got like 3,000 Sats back today for what was it? I think I just fueled up you know 75 extra bucks to put into my, pirate ship account for shipping. Nice. It's one way. There's a number of ways to do this thing but there's still hoops and hurdles. I wish there was just a direct way to you know pay for shipping with Bitcoin. It's it's rather annoying so
[00:24:13] Permanerd:
somebody Yeah. Was working on
[00:24:15] Oshi:
I thought so. There's there's a couple. Can't remember exactly.
[00:24:19] Permanerd:
And then another way, although I think that they're going more KYC, is, Bitcoin ATMs. It used to be where you could go and put cash in and get Bitcoin, but I don't Mhmm. They're probably I'm sure. Have you ever used one? I have not.
[00:24:36] Oshi:
I haven't either. I've seen them in other countries though. I think like El Salvador. But yeah they're all through The States too somewhere. I think there's a map where you can kind of find them. Yeah definitely.
[00:24:48] Permanerd:
Now they were shutting down a bunch. Saw Yeah.
[00:24:51] Oshi:
Those seem kind of risky too. You kind of become a vector point of attack, know. So I don't know if I would do that. I guess it is an option. Just be, you know, safe with it. Yeah. Because they're not
[00:25:02] Permanerd:
sometimes they're in pretty Right.
[00:25:04] Oshi:
Yeah. Exactly. I know. That in the big smoke? That's right.
[00:25:11] Permanerd:
Cases are all abominable.
[00:25:14] Oshi:
Good use of the word. Thank you, sir. Thank I That's why that episode did so well. It's a good word.
[00:25:21] Permanerd:
It's a word you don't use every day. The only other one that I that I have is to actually mine bitcoin. And so you don't have to, you know, you don't have to solo mine an entire bitcoin. You can join mining pools. Yeah. Speaking of, did you see what Wrigley did? They finally mined a block? Yeah. I did see that. That's pretty cool. That is pretty cool. I've been looking at another Bidaxe. I so my Bidaxe wasn't working, and me being the the YOLO that I am, I thought it was the the power source. And so I had another another power source that with the same well, I mean, a barrel connector that would fit. And so I plugged it in, and it almost caught on fire. It just burned up. So Go.
That was, that one's done now, so I don't have to spend any more time trying to troubleshoot why that bit axe doesn't work. Yeah. Less, less things on your plate. It sparked and it there's a little bit of a flame that came out the back. Oh. Oh my god. That wasn't good.
[00:26:26] Oshi:
That's not good for adoption, man. You're making it sound that Bitcoin's pretty dangerous.
[00:26:33] Permanerd:
No. Being dumb is dangerous. Bitcoin is safe. Yeah. True. But I've been looking at other other ones. So there's one spot in Canada that I've seen. It's called Decentral. And they've got Bidaxes for, like, a 185, $200 for a Bidax. And then I was looking on Amazon, and they have some for a $109. And I'm just I guess Bidax is open source hardware and software and people could just build them, or do they come from a Bidax manufacturing plant? Do you know how that works?
[00:27:08] Oshi:
I don't know. I know there's that one manufacturer called Solo Satoshi. I think that's where I got my I have a little Gamma, Bidax Gamma. But it is open source so I suppose people can just spin
[00:27:20] Permanerd:
up a Bidax and sell it that way. But I really don't know. Alright there's another question for the day. How does Bidax work and if I buy one from Amazon is it gonna catch on fire? My bet is probably.
[00:27:35] Oshi:
You know it's not, it's the same thing with buying hardware wallets from Amazon you know. I I'd rather just get it from direct source or maybe someone that is just selling one. There was a point where I was trying to sell mine, but I think I'll keep it. Yeah. I prefer to have buy my hardware wallets that are already opened because then whoever had it probably tested it to make sure that it's functioning. That Yeah. Yeah. It's good to have, you know, someone test it. They run things through, make sure it all works. Well, yeah. And then you don't have to worry about going through and writing down the seed phrase and all that nonsense. Yeah. They just they just they just give it to you. Somebody already or or they already have it, so it's all good. Yeah. And if you forget it, you can ask them. That's right.
[00:28:17] Permanerd:
No. Don't do that, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Right. This is all in jest. Do you have any other non KYC methods of obtaining Bitcoin besides thievery, wrench attacks? No.
[00:28:30] Oshi:
No. To be honest, it's really just those. Most of it comes through selling stuff on Noster which is really crazy to me still. Thankful for that. And RoboSATs and that's really it. I haven't had or purchased received any KYC Bitcoin in a very long time thankfully. But those are really my go to. And also maybe Bitcoin meetups like we talked about, developing a little friend circle of people that you can trade with. I thought about this actually to make some sort of app or something where you have a few close friends that you know personally and that you trust and you can connect with them. You could post up like an offer or something say, Hey I'm looking for $500 I'm willing to sell blah blah blah. And you could, you know, and all the transfers that I've done with people has either been through, you know, like a Zelle transfer for just sending or receiving the cash or Venmo.
Or I think I did one through Cash App. You could also use Strike. I mainly used a Strike cash thing for just sending the cash on RoboSATs because that's one of the options. There's a few others. But other than that, I I just really encourage people to maybe try selling something. I really think that's the easiest, cleanest, most honest way to acquire non KYC. Definitely encourage it.
[00:29:52] Permanerd:
And this is probably a good use case for Noster too is Yeah. Definitely. Because then you you can implement the web of trust. So you have your your small group of of friends or people that you know that you trust, which would probably make them friends. But then, then maybe that web of trust expands out to an outer ring of people they trust.
[00:30:15] Oshi:
So I have a like you know small group chat of people. You know sometimes there's someone that just puts in an offer asking if anyone wants to do a peer to peer trade. And maybe I do, maybe someone else does so it's really cool that way. The way that you know it's usually conducted is that the person sends the fiat first and then the user gets the Bitcoin on their way. And I've done it a few times. I've never had a problem with it. But again, I'm, you know, trading with friends that I trust. Yeah. I think that's a really good way too to acquire non I'm still waiting for a a good,
[00:30:51] Permanerd:
Bitcoin Craigslist or Facebook marketplace, that type of Yeah. Maybe we can build it. Let's do it. I nominate you. Right after we make the like an jar. Yeah. Attached to the website.
[00:31:06] Oshi:
One thing at a time. But I did honestly think about making some sort of simple application for friends to kind of just keep in touch and put in offers. Do it. Yeah. Yeah. I I I should do a lot of things.
[00:31:22] Permanerd:
It's just the time and just so many things that I'm trying to get done throughout the day. Yeah. Speaking of which I'm got a, Bitcoin meetup. The second one I will ever attend tonight. Cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Is, is our star Bitcoin mechanic gonna be there? I don't know. Don't know. It'll be fun going into it already. I've met through the people. We'll skip to pleasantries and get right down to business. Brass tacks. Brass tacks. What does that even mean? I don't know. I was about to ask that. I beat you too.
Alright. So that is the non KYC, BTC, ASAP.
[00:31:56] Oshi:
ESPN.
[00:31:57] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's right. BTC. And then I was hoping to talk about the another problem is the solution.
[00:32:04] Oshi:
Mhmm. You wanna go into that? Sure. Let's go.
[00:32:19] Permanerd:
So the the problem, if you wanna call it a problem, is weeds. Not weed. Weed. And everybody's got them, especially on the edge, which is where most of this that I'm going to talk about comes from. And around here, those are a lot of stinging nettle and a lot of thistle, a lot of salmonberry, all things that either poke, sting, bite, whatever else. And so the the solution instead of glyphosate or whatever their type of of of chemical Roundup. Yeah. Which is glyphosate. Glyphosate? Which on a tangent, a friend of ours sent me a a picture of a of a note that was on a logging road that they were at. Because here, there's a lot of logging roads, and a lot of them are now blocked off by the the forestry company with gates. But it it said, be warned.
You know, this area has been sprayed with glyphosate for and it was something like alders, maples, and whatever other trees weren't, you know, the fur that they're looking to to grow because they just treat it like a they treat it like the the forest, like a farm here, basically. Mhmm. Right? They get rid of all the weeds ones, which are the actual pioneer species that are required in order for a healthy forest to the secession that we talked about. Right. And so they just they just spray poison. And then what's that doing? That's killing anything that's under the ground as well, plus any of so just, just a sign right on the side of the road. Yep. This is what we're doing. Oh, great. It says don't walk through it when it's wet.
Don't breathe it. Whatever. So that's awesome. And That's a shame. Instead of doing that, what the solution to this problem is using it for fertilizer. And so what you can do and what I did was spent hours going through and and cutting up a lot of nettle and a lot of thistle and some edge nettle and some some leaves from the salmon berries. And I put it into a garbage can and filled it up with water. I also harvested a bunch of comfrey and put in there as well Mhmm. Along with some worm castings. And now I'm just gonna let it sit for a couple weeks, and it just ferment in the garbage can. And now you can take that and dilute it. And so that garbage can will probably make 500 liters of fertilizer once diluted.
And just using and just using inputs from the property. And it's gonna be fantastic fertilizer. And I might add some other things to it too. I was walking today and I found, off the street, I found some horsetails, which will add a bunch of minerals also. And so I'll probably later go and cut some of those down and then throw them in. And so that that's the solution is creating an amazing fertilizer. And so the takeaway from this is when you're we're talking about limiting your inputs for your property, and this is a great way to do it. Use what you've got. Figure out a way.
And, I mean, ChatGPT or any other
[00:35:46] Oshi:
LLM is gonna be great for this. Know, if you just give it what you have and ask what you can do with it, then you'll probably be shocked with some of the the answers you'll receive. Yeah. It's a good principle too of just using what you have. That's that's what I do personally just on an everyday before I go out and purchase something. It's like what do I have on hand? Let me ask you a question about the weeds though. We have a lot of dandelions here and aren't dandelions, they help break up
[00:36:12] Permanerd:
the soil, don't they? They're good at like breaking it up? They are. For sure. They're one of the Yeah. The ones that if you have hard pack and this is the same way. They kinda they go in and jackhammer the the ground. And they're also dandelion is is the the leaves would be really good to put into this fertilizer as well. We just don't have very many right now for the dandelions, so take any and put in there. But And Yeah. We've got quite a bit. And you can eat the leaves Yeah.
[00:36:45] Oshi:
Yeah. They're really good. I also, sometimes I I uproot the roots and I make a dandelion tea Nice. With the roots and dry them out and grind them up. Yeah. It's really good. Maybe that's something in the episode. Let let us know if you want us to do an episode on common
[00:36:59] Permanerd:
weeds that that have multiple use. Because I I remember, you know, still a lot of people, like, they get so butthurt if there's dandelions in their perfectly manicured lawn.
[00:37:11] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. I never understood. And they're beautiful too. They're bright yellow.
[00:37:16] Permanerd:
The bees like them. To to blow the once they they turn into the little little feather seeds. Wishers. Yeah. Yeah. I call them wishers. So that is the the problem is the solution is these these weeds serve a purpose. Think nettle is very high in in nitrogen. You know, you put it into your your compost pile too, and it's awesome there. And then thistle being then a nutrient accumulator similar to comfrey. So you're taking that and just throw it into the the compost. Hopefully, I remember. I'll I'll keep keep you updated on on how that's going. It'll end up stinking in the end, but
[00:37:55] Oshi:
it'll be well worth it. Definitely. That's really cool. It makes me think of the concept of, Chesterton's fence that we were talking about last episode on not removing something for the sake of removing it but questioning as to like why they're there. So it's a kind of the same premise of weeds being there and to use them for something other than just ripping them out, throwing them away. Yeah. That's great. That's a good enough. Cool. Anything else you wanted to touch on?
[00:38:20] Permanerd:
Not with that, but I do have the third permaculture. I might have just fallen asleep right there for a second. Yeah. If you wanna if you wanna talk about permaculture, we can do that for short if you want. Yeah. Rip on it. So the we've done the the first and the second principle of of permaculture. And then last week, we talked about your trip and kind of the building of the soil. So the the first principle is observe and interact, and then the second one was catch and store energy. And the third principle is obtain a yield. So you're designing systems that produce useful renewable re that can sustain people and and the landscape, which involve well, which includes, animals, insects.
You know, like the I used to always either burn sticks or turn them into turn them into biochar or when before somebody broke my chipper, turn them into mulch. I won't mention names. Fabrice. But the, but now I I I make stacks of them as well, which is a good spot for small birds to live in and also snake love to live in in piles of of, brush. So just just stuff like that is is useful. But one of the things with permaculture is that everything should contribute value in some way. And, ideally, it'll have multipurpose.
It'll have more than one one thing that it's that it's going to do. Maybe food and medicine, or maybe it is, you know, medicine and a pollinator where it brings in the bees, which help pollinate. And so a yield is is more than just what you're harvesting. It it it's it's a benefit for the entire system. So like I said, whether that is a nutrient accumulator. Say, for instance, a good one is artichoke. Right? Artichokes produce huge leaves, which can be used for chop and drop mulch, but also they produce, you know, a beautiful food. And when you are designing for the the different types of then it's that biodiversity as well. And now you're gonna just create a more resilient and, in a way, more rewarding, property or just area that you're designing. And then coming back to what we said before, what you're doing is you're trying to minimize the inputs that are that are coming from outside of your property. And so through this design through the design, you are you're building out everything that you need to sustain, yourself, basically being self sustaining as biodiverse as possible. You're obtaining that yield in in more ways than, you know, just the apples that you Yeah.
[00:41:25] Oshi:
It sounds like it's creating more avenues of communication onto. Could you elaborate on that? Oh, don't know. Just different plants transmitting different signals to each other and the bees and whatever to come by and do their thing and it just kinda creates this orchestra. So it's, it just strengthens its own network by having like how you say just having diversity like that and creating more signals of communication, which just, you know, makes it flourish even further.
[00:41:57] Permanerd:
Would you say that it is high signal, low noise? Def. No doubt. Yeah. It does it does creates that that equilibrium and that biodiversity. You you want you want pests, I guess we'll call them. You know, you want those those bugs that are gonna be eating your plants because they're feeding the beneficial insects and the predatory insects, and you need to keep them around. You know, you don't want you don't want zero you don't want zero pests because then there's not going to be any any of the predators. And so if you do get an outbreak of aphids or whatever it is, then it'll take quite a long time for those ladybugs to come around.
But if there's enough aphids
[00:42:47] Oshi:
to feed the ladybugs the whole time, then they're already there. They kinda keep them in check. Yeah. It makes me think. Last evening I was watching all these bats fly around in the sky over, just close to where I live. And there's just been so many mosquitoes and gnats lately. This is like the worst part of summer here in the South. But I was just watching the bats. There's probably 20 of them. And I was just kind of thinking about, you know, the things we talk about. Yeah. I mean, without the bats then there would just be a infestation of these little suckers.
So thank God for the bats. Yes. That's a good episode title. Write that down. So that is
[00:43:26] Permanerd:
Oshie and I sitting on our rocking chairs whittling wood on the permaculture porch.
[00:43:35] Oshi:
It's fun. I learn a lot from these because, you know, I'm not too well, I know a bit, but it's good educational stuff. Hopefully, other people enjoy it. Seems to be. Yeah. I've gotten some some good feedback.
[00:43:48] Permanerd:
And it is things that when it comes down to it or after you start to understand it, it becomes obvious. Yeah. But our culture has long since forgotten, you know, whether it's through monoculture farm growing 10,000 acres of a corn Mhmm. And then using those fertilizers and the pesticides and whatever, you know, herbicides. And, like, that's just not that it's that that the biggest little farm, what I talked about last time. You know? We
[00:44:19] Oshi:
started watching it Oh, nice. By the way. What'd you think? Yeah. It's good. Pretty incredible production,
[00:44:25] Permanerd:
I will say. Yeah. Because we were we were watching that with my father-in-law, and and after we after it was done, we were we were discussing it. Nope. Can't work. Too many people to feed. Yes. But the point is that it does work. Right. That's how we've been doing it, I don't know, thousands of years. Yeah. And if you have if you have more of a decentralized system where you've got, you know, 10 small farms that you're supporting and, you know, one one chicken farm instead of buying Tyson, you know, instead of getting your vegetables from Costco, you're supporting these these local farmers, then, yeah, it does work. But if you're just under the Fiat mindset of, you know, there's so many people to feed that we need these huge corporations in order to do it. I mean, you're just you're you're kinda just brainwashed into the whole Fiat mindset.
[00:45:18] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. It really is. It makes me think about how we do rotational crops and whatnot and think about how we used to be kind of nomadic people and would travel with warmer weather and we stopped doing that. We just started posting up where we live now. I don't know, maybe that's one of the causes for all of this among many other things to be sure. But I don't know where the problem really started. I guess, I don't know, think of like the history of agriculture itself and surplus because people started to have surplus, they needed to put that somewhere, protect it from other tribes and other people trying to get it and it just kind of
[00:45:58] Permanerd:
spun out of that. Well then refrigeration also played a part. You know, you could go back to irrigation as well once you start figuring out irrigation and being able to grow crops where normally you wouldn't be able to grow such big crops. But then, I mean, I also I also think that that the introduction to the fiat instead of the fiat system where now, you know, there's there's unlimited amounts of money where you can subsidize farmers to not grow crops in order to keep the prices high or subsidizing corn so that they can turn it into fuel or, you know, whatever other subsidies there are, unlimited funds. And so now you're instead of a a farmer needing to figure out other ways to survive and other ways to make their their farm resilient, they can just take money from the government and not have to figure any of that out. Yeah. And then they need that money because all the taxes are rising, and then you've got inheritance tax so that somebody has a thousand acre farm.
And they die, it goes to their kids. And now their kids can't afford the inheritance tax, so they have to sell off half the farm in order to pay for that tax.
[00:47:10] Oshi:
Makes me sad. We need to end on a good note. Bitcoin fixes that. Bitcoin fixes it.
[00:47:17] Permanerd:
I've got a a highlight for you. Let's go. Jimble's Jumble.
[00:47:21] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. It's the Market Square merchant of the day here. Market Square merchant of the day.
[00:47:34] Permanerd:
They have one product that is on one of our favorite websites, takemystatsdotcom. And Never gets old. And that is Strategic Bitcoin Preserve.
[00:47:50] Oshi:
Good name.
[00:47:51] Permanerd:
Yes. And, Jimple Jumble, if you're listening to this, I am pretty sure that that that was a name that I had given you when you on Noster, when you're looking for a name, which is
[00:48:04] Oshi:
Someone someone needs some royalty. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
[00:48:08] Permanerd:
It looks like they use all organic products for that preserve, which is orange Seville or no. Organic Seville or organic sugar and or and it says that they're shipping worldwide. Please DM for a quote. And so Jimble's has been around for quite some time, and they have a a website as well called jimble'sjumble.odoo,odoo,.com. And it looks like they have all their products on here, which include elderberry jelly, chunky I don't even know what that word is. Picallilly. Picallilly. And Sounds fancy. Gourmet beef dripping, and marrow marrow ginger or marrow ginger and date chutney. Dates. Talking my language. Along with a bunch of other stuff.
And it looks like they are in The UK, but it says they ship. So make sure you use the promo code YADA if there's a spot. If not, let them know that that we met we set up. Yeah. Yeah. Their stuff looks great. It does. And this is circles back around to what we were talking about. You know, that they this was May, I think, last year that that they started selling the products.
[00:49:21] Oshi:
That's awesome. I think it was around January of last year when I started. Been quite the journey. Yeah. It really has. It's it's it's fun, man. I'm really glad that that we ended up getting together. Yeah. Definitely. Just the the I'm learning so much, like, every day, every week. It's and things are just moving so fast. And it's tough to not, you know, get exhausted and try to keep up with everything, but we're all in it together.
[00:49:47] Permanerd:
Just have fun. We are. And the feedback that we get make Yeah.
[00:49:52] Oshi:
Yeah, definitely. I never thought I'd be doing a podcast, but yeah thankful for it. Thankful for Noster and all the customers that have come my way, come your way. It's awesome. Speaking of which, where can people? Noster only and website is oshegood.us. I've got a new batch of maple syrup huddle butter, which is really really good. The maple syrup comes from our friend, Fulu, who we spoke about earlier over at Sweet Sats. What else? Got the OG huddle butter back in stock. You can use the promo code YADA at checkout to save some sats if you want.
And then that Oshi pre order t shirt, I think everybody got that now. So I know Pam, shout out Pam. She got hers the other day and made a little post. It's super cool to see. It's so funny to see that little Oshi shirt as it was just like a little doodle that I made. I was like, oh, this should be a t shirt and here we are. So I think I sold what 10? So there's 10 of these shirts in the world. So congrats to the 10 of you guys. Other than that, that's it for me. Are you all sucked up on comfrey and things? I am. I still haven't got any of the the ice cream sandwiches or anything.
[00:51:06] Permanerd:
Oh, man. Those look so But, yeah, there's been a a really, really positive feedback on those. I'm gonna take a bunch tonight because they I took five or something, and they were people wanted more at the at the meetup last time. So the yeah. But just that's the number 4snacks.com. And if you want, I've got a few packages of of freeze dried fudgesicles and strawberry and blueberry, yogurt sickles as well that I don't have on the site. So just hit me up on Noster or send an email or something. And we do have an email address, which is say hi@YouAreTheAlgo.com.
So that's been fairly lonely. Can send an email as well. But other than that, I think I've got everything on the the website. I I started to I looked at the the one that I've been that I was working on before as a new website. And, I mean, anytime you set a project down like that, you know, it takes an entire day of just trying to figure out what it's doing order to get back into
[00:52:16] Oshi:
trying to develop a bit more of it. I know it will, man. Oh my gosh. It hurts just thinking about that. Yeah. You gotta commit. You gotta commit the git, you know? Yeah. Nice. Let me ask you, can you freeze dry anything? It seems like you can. Well,
[00:52:31] Permanerd:
my philosophy for if it if it let's see. What was it? If it fits inside, it gets freeze dried. So
[00:52:39] Oshi:
If she floats, she What
[00:52:42] Permanerd:
else floats? A duck. Very small pebble. Yeah. A very small stone. Kill her.
[00:52:47] Oshi:
Yeah. What what do you what were you thinking? Oh, I don't know. I just love that you can freeze dry just popsicles and ice cream and all these other things. It's pretty cool. I've done I've done
[00:52:57] Permanerd:
full meals. Like, I've got a few packs of of buttered chicken. I've done beef Safe. Cooked beef, raw beef. Beef is cool. Like, you cook a steak, you freeze dry it, and it if you just taste it, it's a bit it's like Styrofoam. I mean, it still has the flavor, but then you just soak it in water, and it tastes just like it. Oh, so it's like space food. It's exactly space. Cool. And then what else? I mean, fruits, vegetables, you can name soups, chili. Chili works out really well. Put your kids in there if they're bad.
But yeah. That's super cool, though. I wanna get one. I just have a little dehydrator for the huddle bars that I make. Yes. I actually have a like, I'd I've been I've been saving the huddle huddle bars. I've got a couple left from you from
[00:53:45] Oshi:
Still? Oh my goodness.
[00:53:47] Permanerd:
And Well, they last. They're just dates. Yeah. And then I was going and then they're they're in the refrigerator, but I was thinking about taking one of those out and freeze Oh, do that. Let me know how it happens. Yep. I'm curious. Alright. Well, thank you all for joining us. And, again, we'll state that we appreciate any feedback, sharing of the show. Mhmm. And it really is it makes us laugh too, Jim. I'll say Jim. Yeah. That's a pretty funny boost. And we do this we've been pretty consistent recording on Fridays, putting out on Saturdays. Yep. And looks like we'll be on time for that again.
So Mhmm. Until next time, just remember that you are the algorithm.
Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd and I am joined as always by the guitar aficionado and my partner in crime, Oshi. How you doing, Oshi? Doing good. It's
[00:00:42] Oshi:
always funny doing those riffs. I never know never know exactly what I'm gonna do but it's it's a fun little ditty.
[00:00:48] Permanerd:
Yeah. Just start talking when I when I think you're gonna stop.
[00:00:53] Oshi:
Yeah.
[00:00:54] Permanerd:
Yeah. It's fun. I'm Seemed glad to work you out. Yeah. Yeah. It's a
[00:01:00] Oshi:
How are you? How's everything on your end? Doing
[00:01:03] Permanerd:
alright. Yeah. It's the cat who broke his leg is now gimping along with the cast on, getting around really well. So that's that's good. I forgot about the cat. Yeah. Yeah. He's not pooping all over himself anymore. So Oh, god. Now it's just me. Per usual, a lot of a lot of baseball. So they they had their the summer league, very competitive league. They had their first, doubleheader, which I picked up the kid from the airport and drove straight to the game on Sunday. So he missed the first game but was in the second game. They won 10 to three the first game and 16 to two the second.
Is that even legal? Like, scoring that high? Not in some states, but, yeah, it was a It should just be a forfeit at that point. The other team was not not ready. Well, they actually said to in our they were the home team, so we had Yeah. Our at bats and the it's only they're only four inning. And they said they said, okay. We're we're done. We're tapping out. And so we said, okay. So we pulled our kids in off the bases, and then they said, we wanna bat. Oh, we thought you guys were folding, but you just wanted us to get off. Alright. Cool.
[00:02:17] Oshi:
Give him a chance, guys. Let him hit three. Yeah.
[00:02:20] Permanerd:
That was good. Still trying to find Daniel in Minnesota.
[00:02:26] Oshi:
Man, Daniel. There was a Dan Dan that put in an order for me last week. I'm not sure if this is him, but he's also from Minnesota.
[00:02:34] Permanerd:
I thought that was wasn't that Michigan?
[00:02:36] Oshi:
Or was it Michigan? I can't remember if you said Minnesota or Michigan. Oh, yeah. One of those. He's out there still.
[00:02:41] Permanerd:
Are those considered flyover states? No. I Well,
[00:02:46] Oshi:
anyway, Daniel Wait. What do you mean by that? Educate me.
[00:02:50] Permanerd:
The flyover states are just states that nobody goes to intentionally. They're just flat they're they're states that you fly over in an airplane. Ohio, that those type. And I don't know if it's I'm not exactly there's I don't know. Midwest states. Illinois is probably a flyover state. I I've never heard that term. Although Chicago's there, so I don't know. Somebody's smarter than me. If you live in a if you live in a flyover state, hit smash the like button. And if you don't subscribe Yeah. Because now you're supposed to do it. Smash it. Smash.
Smash the booze button. How about you man? What's new with you? Today,
[00:03:33] Oshi:
made a bunch of butter, packaged that up. Few orders came in this last week which was really good because I don't know why. Maybe Bitcoin price is just down. That's not exciting for people so they're not spending their sats. I don't know what it is. But you know, it's been good past few days. Can't complain but getting work done. Family is visiting in town. Sun is out, trying not to melt at the same time. I'd much prefer the heat rather than the snow or rain. So it's welcomed. I think one of your family members brought you some gifts. Yeah. Yeah. She brought me my aunt. She brought me some peaches.
Brought me some raw milk. It's an awesome aunt if you ever ask me. It's like that's pretty sick. She's the same aunt that bought me a gallon of milk for Christmas one time. Of raw milk. Raw milk. Yeah, nice. Pretty sick.
[00:04:23] Permanerd:
Yeah, it's not the same as bringing a gallon from here's your 3% homo milk.
[00:04:28] Oshi:
You can grow a third arm.
[00:04:35] Permanerd:
Awesome. Well, this is a value for value show, which means that we don't have any way to or we don't throttle it. What am I trying to say here? There's the friction. There's very low friction in getting this this show. And all that we ask for in return is any value you receive, send it back, and that could be an email, sharing the show, laughing, listening. And one of the That's good. That is good. One of the ways we do it or that you can do it is through podcasting two point o enabled apps that allow for boosts and boostograms.
And these are the easiest way for us to get it because it all comes to my Umbral node, which is running helipad. And from whatever source you boost, I filter them out, which the list this week starts with a row of sticks, one one one one sats from Eric FJ. And it says sync. These lovely gentlemen want us to talk about bip one ten. Wanna dive into the fire? And that would be good. I would listen to It's a hot fire. It seems to be. Yeah. Hopefully, we'll get a little clarify for Norm. It's like a Yep. And then the next one is another row of sticks from Eric FJ again.
And it says it's like totally all our fault. Sorry. Hashtag dick Richard. I can't I what does he refer I have the memory of a I don't know. Maybe he's referring to the BIP one ten thing. Or I'm blaming them on I'm blaming the Daniel. Oh, true. Yeah. Daniel, come on, man. You gotta you gotta find us, please. Well, hope he's not locked up in Eric f j's basement. So these are from the last episode, which is actually titled where is Daniel because sent him a couple more emails.
[00:06:35] Oshi:
Maybe they're just going into his, like, spam.
[00:06:38] Permanerd:
Ugh. I said one. I guess the next boost is 333 from Jim Seaford. Thank you, Jim. And it said, use cardboard under mulch where I want to smother unwanted plants. Dry cardboard under mulch acts like a roof and sheds water. With wet cardboard, best to get it good and soaked and keep moist. Better yet, shed it, shred it before soak. Mhmm. And that is completely true because if you have dry cardboard the only thing that I can say is if you do make sure that it's it's leaning towards the plant that you're surrounding so that the water sheds into that.
Otherwise, yeah, it need and it does smother plants, but it also adds that carbon for them as well. What's the difference with shredding it? Well, it just it's that surface area. Okay. That's I was gonna say. Yeah. So it it allows for the water the moisture to soak in a lot easier. And it's that we talked about before the edge and how most there's more biodiversity and life on the and so you're what you're doing is creating more Life on the fringes. That's right. Well, it's interesting because say say you're you're digging a pond. Mhmm. And instead of just having a pond, if you start creating fingers in it, you know, or little peninsulas and stuff like that Mhmm. Then you're creating that edge and you're going to end with more biodiversity.
Makes sense to me. Yeah. It's and then the next one is ten thirty three, also from Jim Seaford. And it says, so I'm on face crap, and there's this Danny guy going off about some perma dude's shitty service and worst communication, blah blah blah. And I'm like, woah, man. You gotta yada. Hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown up.
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Face crap.
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Woah, man. You got a yada. Yada. A good laugh. And then 99 sats from Web Social on the mountain, which is Dan Noster, a good follow and a fellow liver of Canada or in Canada. And this one just says, destroying their like and count at the twenty one minute mark. Yeah. We'll get to that count later. Yeah. We just, we did. We just sort of annihilate. Next one, a thousand stats from Falu, our good friend. Falu. Awesome. And it says, I actually don't listen to podcasts, but I happened to skin the transcript and caught y'all talking about me, which is Wow. Great. And I'm just so please, Filu, fill me in here. You don't listen to podcasts. You just read the transcripts?
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That doesn't sound like fun.
[00:09:32] Permanerd:
That sounds like more work. I don't know unless he has a sort of
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search set up just looking for his name. I remember him telling me that he has his phone all in black and white, which I think is pretty cool and funny.
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Is it,
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is it the I I think it's just to help with distraction.
[00:09:49] Permanerd:
I don't know. Cool. That is it. Those are all the boosts. So thank you everyone very much. We're gonna need some more boost definitely to cover the costs. The host could start. Sorry. I hit my mic here. I can't take you anywhere. Alright. Another thing we like to go over in this first part of the show are the, the show analytics, which come from podhome.fm. We host this show, and we are now creeping up on 8,000 downloads with 7,924. Last episode, number 12, Where is Daniel? Is up at 561 downloads.
[00:10:33] Oshi:
Cool.
[00:10:35] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's good. It definitely is was doing better. It was the name.
[00:10:40] Oshi:
Yes. That was And maybe the thumbnail. The thumbnail's pretty good.
[00:10:43] Permanerd:
It is pretty good. Check it out. Again, well, we being Oshi generates the images for all the shows, so each episode has your podcast player. Yeah. We keep them fun. Number 11 did it's it's slowed considerably. Not sure. Ren in trouble, and that is only at 490 download. Actually, lowest ever. I mean, it hasn't had as much time as all the rest of the, but Mhmm. It's definitely a a slow roller. And then the next one, number 10, is at seven hundred. The highest ever oh, no. It's a tie. Oh, so let's break the number four, Abominable Farewell, and number three, Fearless Circular Economy. Both are at 800.
How about that? How about how about that?
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You know who can break the tie? Our friend Dan.
[00:11:35] Permanerd:
Dan, help us out. And actually, that was their message on fountain from Ivor Tola. And it says, oh, I miss Daniel. Must be the clouds in my eye. What is that from? Daniel, my brother. The Elton Oh. We talked about that of Elton John. The Daniel man you were supposed to Yeah. Well Oh, well. In all your free. Yeah. Right? Oh, and I don't think we have any new new more abstract countries. Best way to say it. But this is Ukraine, Laos, and Cameroon. That's still pretty cool. Still the newest. Yeah. Yeah. And then the last part is the Lykum jar. Let's go.
So for episode 12 and this is just something for us to keep accountability for our speech pattern filler words. Oishi had 4,258 words spoken, 17 fillers for a percentage of point four zero percent, and that's three ums and 14 like.
[00:12:42] Oshi:
Sounds about right. I think we inflated it a little bit when we was it that episode? We were kinda mocking it a bit. Yeah. That's what that's what Dan Wedge was referring to. Okay. Yeah. We sort of started saying like them, like them, like them, like them.
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And That's pretty good. Then I had 5,915 words with 24 fillers for a percentage of point four one. Oh. So point 01% more than you had. That Okay. Six ums and 18 likes. Wow. I can do better. Like like like like.
[00:13:18] Oshi:
Shh. Don't do it. You gotta speak gooder. I speak goodly. I speak goodler.
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Alright. So that is all of the stats. Thanks everybody for listening and any feedback is appreciated and welcome.
[00:13:38] Oshi:
Yeah. Send more questions in through the,
[00:13:41] Permanerd:
mostly through Fountain. Right? Those were all from from Fountain. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Send them in. And I've also been working with with my friend Ivor. I opened up a channel or a wall a sub wallet on Albie for him because he's having. Oh, cool. Like, kind of like an Uncle Jim? Yes. Yeah. I like to do that for my less intelligent. It can get complex quick. And I will admit. What he is now, he he's down in New Zealand, and we've been discussing a bit on how he can get some non k y sats. And I don't think it's even, you know, to to be under the radar or anything. I think it's and everybody that has gone through the KYC process lately, it seems to get just more invasive, you know, and now you have to take a picture with your driver's license standing on one foot while
[00:14:38] Oshi:
Yeah. Standing in front of your house Polluting the flag. Favorite color, patting your head, rubbing your tummy. Yeah.
[00:14:44] Permanerd:
Yeah. It it's stupid. And for anybody who doesn't know what KYC is, it's just know your customer. And so if you are buying Bitcoin from an exchange, say Coinbase or Kraken or Gemini. Gemini, Winklevoss. And and and so in order to do that, you have to prove your identity and fill out a bunch of nonsense. I understand that this is gambling, and I will not invest more money than I actually have instead of treating people like adults and being able to spend their fiat nonsense as however they want to. Yeah. Totally anti Bitcoin,
[00:15:21] Oshi:
mind you. Yeah.
[00:15:23] Permanerd:
And that's brings the point too. Don't don't leave your Bitcoin on an exchange. If it's on an exchange, it's not your Bitcoin, not your keys, not your cheese.
[00:15:32] Oshi:
Not your palm.
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And so we we decided that it would be worthwhile to go through some options for non KYC Bitcoin. And I'll go first, and it it's the Sure. The way that we actually met, and that is through commerce, through selling things directly to a a customer who's paying you in Bitcoin. And now you're getting those directly and you're not going through the funnel of bureaucracy.
[00:16:06] Oshi:
Yeah. That's probably the best way to acquire it. Just sell sell a product or a service. And I I know that you have other methods as well. Yeah, there's a few. So other than selling stuff on primarily Noster, I also use RoboSATs which is, lightning based kind of escrow kind of thing. Been using that for quite a while. It's helpful to have some channels open already so maybe it is a bit complex for people that have no idea what I'm talking about but it's worth looking into. But I recommend RoboSATs. But another way to do it is really local Bitcoin meetups.
Seek those out, become friends, and just do some peer to peer trades because you know other Bitcoiners unfortunately we have bills to pay just like everyone else and that's all in fiat. And sometimes we're looking for some liquidity to pay for those. So become friends with people at your meetups and maybe do it that way. That's probably the step, next best step after selling your product or service for it,
[00:17:18] Permanerd:
I would say. For sure. And even I mean, I'm with my limited meetup experience, one. But even then, there was new people that were exploring Bitcoin, and they brought cash. And, you know, $20, whatever, and everybody there you know, even if you don't wanna sell your Bitcoin, I I sold somebody $20 just to fill up their wallet a bit. Mhmm. So I think people are willing to sell for Fiat to help somebody else out in those situations.
[00:17:51] Oshi:
Yeah, for sure. You gotta get them just in the motion of, you know, actually doing it and experiencing it. Because, know, if you experience it once, then it just becomes more real and you start to do more of it, you start to find other people, and it just kinda snowballs from there really. Well, you realize that it's not rocket science. You know, maybe behind the scenes it is, but the way that we're working with Lightning wallets and instantaneous
[00:18:17] Permanerd:
transfers, Satosh Mhmm. Is easy. I mean, for the most part, once you have your wallet set up, there's not very much friction to do that either. Give me $10 and I send you the equivalent in sats and it's done. And just watching the the couple people's faces that I did that with at the the meetup was fantastic. Just watching them go, oh, ah,
[00:18:40] Oshi:
wow. That was fast. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean by experience. Like you got to get them to just feel that too. But I think another thing that Bitcoin needs to become, and it has been, it just needs to be easier to use, like better wallets, better user experience with them which enables easier payments and you know all the developers right now are really working on it continuously. So that front is just becoming better you know. So as time goes on, I think people are gonna arrive to, you know, the conclusion that, oh, this is definitely the way to be using Bitcoin and not keeping it on the exchanges and not even spending it. I think, you know, you gotta spend your Bitcoin. That's like the other important factor in all of this. Which
[00:19:24] Permanerd:
people are definitely looking for. And so we've said it many times. If you have a product, sell it for Bitcoin. Put it on Noster. Take it to a local meetup. Whatever you need to do, and just just start. And I think you'll be addicted when you start selling things for real money. Yeah. How did you end up finding your Bitcoin meetup? I think I just ended up searching for it. I don't remember if I don't think anybody mentioned it. I think I just eventually searched for it and it was on meetup meetups Yeah. Dot
[00:19:59] Oshi:
I was using what was it? The Orange Pill app? They like changed their name though to or something like that. I find it a useful app though to exactly for this purpose is finding meetups, you know specifically and just going. You'll be surprised by like the new friends that you develop by going to these. It's it's really It's really cool, especially just, I don't know, asking questions and sharing your experience and really doing the proof of work I would say. I have that app
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but I didn't there was something in the Yeah.
[00:20:35] Oshi:
They changed some things up for sure. I think they got all KYC. Yeah. I guess you can just look for them on Facebook. Face crap.
[00:20:46] Permanerd:
Yep. Or or meetups.com. A lot of them are on meetups. Then also local Bitcoiners. I'd like to see that get more traction Oh, yeah. From meetups. Yeah. True. So you had mentioned RoboSats, which are are is one peer to peer marketplace, and I haven't used RoboSats. The only one I've used is Bisk, b I s q. Mhmm. And I always had a good experience with that. There's one time where I transferred money from my bank account, and then the the Bitcoin never showed up. And so I ended up filing for a ticket. And I think they have a DAO or some sort of regulatory body. Is but eventually, the the guy sent the SATs over. And so because that's one of those things where, you know, you give somebody money and they don't send you the Bitcoin, there's not much you can do. It's not like Visa where you can dispute it, but it worked out. Yeah. And so they ended up sending him over the the SATs and everything was fine. That's good. So that's another one. I've actually never used BISC, just RoboSATs. RoboSATs has been pretty clean, pretty easy to use as far as I've been using it. I think there was maybe only one time where I had an issue but it
[00:21:59] Oshi:
was really no big deal. Bisque is something I need to look into. I think bisque is better for larger purchases though. I know on RoboSATs the largest purchase that I've seen available is maybe up to like $3,000
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worth. Yeah bisque is is whatever somebody wants to sell. I'm sure there's a minimum. Yeah. But, I mean, I think I was buying a 100 or dollars. Mhmm. Just to try it out? Yeah. And I'm poor, so that's all I could oh.
[00:22:25] Oshi:
And then there's another one called Peach Bitcoin, which I've never u but if Oh, Peach. Yeah. I like their user interface, but I think they're only restricted to UK, I believe Mhmm. Unfortunately. Yeah. Peach is a good one too.
[00:22:38] Permanerd:
And there's another and I I'm not sure which one accepts it, but some of them will allow you to use gift cards to purchase. Yeah. There's BitRefill
[00:22:48] Oshi:
and then there's the Bitcoin Co which I actually just used today to get a digital Visa card and I use that for buying more of you know for shipping for pirate ship to fund my account that way. So Bitcoin Co is another one for just buying you know digital Visa cards or whatever gift card that way. And that's using Bitcoin to buy the Yeah. Gift Okay. Because there's an I believe that some of them allow you to use, gift cards
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so that you're not using your bank account Mhmm. You know, doing it. Because in Canada, I don't know if The US had do does US have etransfers yet? B. Where you can send email to a or you can send money from your bank account to an email address and a deposit?
[00:23:35] Oshi:
I don't I don't think so. Okay. I've never done that anyway. Yeah. It's very common up here in Canon. Yeah. With the Bitcoin Co option though, you get Sats back which is pretty cool. Depending on you know how how big the purchase is. That's what I think I got, yeah I got like 3,000 Sats back today for what was it? I think I just fueled up you know 75 extra bucks to put into my, pirate ship account for shipping. Nice. It's one way. There's a number of ways to do this thing but there's still hoops and hurdles. I wish there was just a direct way to you know pay for shipping with Bitcoin. It's it's rather annoying so
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somebody Yeah. Was working on
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I thought so. There's there's a couple. Can't remember exactly.
[00:24:19] Permanerd:
And then another way, although I think that they're going more KYC, is, Bitcoin ATMs. It used to be where you could go and put cash in and get Bitcoin, but I don't Mhmm. They're probably I'm sure. Have you ever used one? I have not.
[00:24:36] Oshi:
I haven't either. I've seen them in other countries though. I think like El Salvador. But yeah they're all through The States too somewhere. I think there's a map where you can kind of find them. Yeah definitely.
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Now they were shutting down a bunch. Saw Yeah.
[00:24:51] Oshi:
Those seem kind of risky too. You kind of become a vector point of attack, know. So I don't know if I would do that. I guess it is an option. Just be, you know, safe with it. Yeah. Because they're not
[00:25:02] Permanerd:
sometimes they're in pretty Right.
[00:25:04] Oshi:
Yeah. Exactly. I know. That in the big smoke? That's right.
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Cases are all abominable.
[00:25:14] Oshi:
Good use of the word. Thank you, sir. Thank I That's why that episode did so well. It's a good word.
[00:25:21] Permanerd:
It's a word you don't use every day. The only other one that I that I have is to actually mine bitcoin. And so you don't have to, you know, you don't have to solo mine an entire bitcoin. You can join mining pools. Yeah. Speaking of, did you see what Wrigley did? They finally mined a block? Yeah. I did see that. That's pretty cool. That is pretty cool. I've been looking at another Bidaxe. I so my Bidaxe wasn't working, and me being the the YOLO that I am, I thought it was the the power source. And so I had another another power source that with the same well, I mean, a barrel connector that would fit. And so I plugged it in, and it almost caught on fire. It just burned up. So Go.
That was, that one's done now, so I don't have to spend any more time trying to troubleshoot why that bit axe doesn't work. Yeah. Less, less things on your plate. It sparked and it there's a little bit of a flame that came out the back. Oh. Oh my god. That wasn't good.
[00:26:26] Oshi:
That's not good for adoption, man. You're making it sound that Bitcoin's pretty dangerous.
[00:26:33] Permanerd:
No. Being dumb is dangerous. Bitcoin is safe. Yeah. True. But I've been looking at other other ones. So there's one spot in Canada that I've seen. It's called Decentral. And they've got Bidaxes for, like, a 185, $200 for a Bidax. And then I was looking on Amazon, and they have some for a $109. And I'm just I guess Bidax is open source hardware and software and people could just build them, or do they come from a Bidax manufacturing plant? Do you know how that works?
[00:27:08] Oshi:
I don't know. I know there's that one manufacturer called Solo Satoshi. I think that's where I got my I have a little Gamma, Bidax Gamma. But it is open source so I suppose people can just spin
[00:27:20] Permanerd:
up a Bidax and sell it that way. But I really don't know. Alright there's another question for the day. How does Bidax work and if I buy one from Amazon is it gonna catch on fire? My bet is probably.
[00:27:35] Oshi:
You know it's not, it's the same thing with buying hardware wallets from Amazon you know. I I'd rather just get it from direct source or maybe someone that is just selling one. There was a point where I was trying to sell mine, but I think I'll keep it. Yeah. I prefer to have buy my hardware wallets that are already opened because then whoever had it probably tested it to make sure that it's functioning. That Yeah. Yeah. It's good to have, you know, someone test it. They run things through, make sure it all works. Well, yeah. And then you don't have to worry about going through and writing down the seed phrase and all that nonsense. Yeah. They just they just they just give it to you. Somebody already or or they already have it, so it's all good. Yeah. And if you forget it, you can ask them. That's right.
[00:28:17] Permanerd:
No. Don't do that, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Right. This is all in jest. Do you have any other non KYC methods of obtaining Bitcoin besides thievery, wrench attacks? No.
[00:28:30] Oshi:
No. To be honest, it's really just those. Most of it comes through selling stuff on Noster which is really crazy to me still. Thankful for that. And RoboSATs and that's really it. I haven't had or purchased received any KYC Bitcoin in a very long time thankfully. But those are really my go to. And also maybe Bitcoin meetups like we talked about, developing a little friend circle of people that you can trade with. I thought about this actually to make some sort of app or something where you have a few close friends that you know personally and that you trust and you can connect with them. You could post up like an offer or something say, Hey I'm looking for $500 I'm willing to sell blah blah blah. And you could, you know, and all the transfers that I've done with people has either been through, you know, like a Zelle transfer for just sending or receiving the cash or Venmo.
Or I think I did one through Cash App. You could also use Strike. I mainly used a Strike cash thing for just sending the cash on RoboSATs because that's one of the options. There's a few others. But other than that, I I just really encourage people to maybe try selling something. I really think that's the easiest, cleanest, most honest way to acquire non KYC. Definitely encourage it.
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And this is probably a good use case for Noster too is Yeah. Definitely. Because then you you can implement the web of trust. So you have your your small group of of friends or people that you know that you trust, which would probably make them friends. But then, then maybe that web of trust expands out to an outer ring of people they trust.
[00:30:15] Oshi:
So I have a like you know small group chat of people. You know sometimes there's someone that just puts in an offer asking if anyone wants to do a peer to peer trade. And maybe I do, maybe someone else does so it's really cool that way. The way that you know it's usually conducted is that the person sends the fiat first and then the user gets the Bitcoin on their way. And I've done it a few times. I've never had a problem with it. But again, I'm, you know, trading with friends that I trust. Yeah. I think that's a really good way too to acquire non I'm still waiting for a a good,
[00:30:51] Permanerd:
Bitcoin Craigslist or Facebook marketplace, that type of Yeah. Maybe we can build it. Let's do it. I nominate you. Right after we make the like an jar. Yeah. Attached to the website.
[00:31:06] Oshi:
One thing at a time. But I did honestly think about making some sort of simple application for friends to kind of just keep in touch and put in offers. Do it. Yeah. Yeah. I I I should do a lot of things.
[00:31:22] Permanerd:
It's just the time and just so many things that I'm trying to get done throughout the day. Yeah. Speaking of which I'm got a, Bitcoin meetup. The second one I will ever attend tonight. Cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Is, is our star Bitcoin mechanic gonna be there? I don't know. Don't know. It'll be fun going into it already. I've met through the people. We'll skip to pleasantries and get right down to business. Brass tacks. Brass tacks. What does that even mean? I don't know. I was about to ask that. I beat you too.
Alright. So that is the non KYC, BTC, ASAP.
[00:31:56] Oshi:
ESPN.
[00:31:57] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's right. BTC. And then I was hoping to talk about the another problem is the solution.
[00:32:04] Oshi:
Mhmm. You wanna go into that? Sure. Let's go.
[00:32:19] Permanerd:
So the the problem, if you wanna call it a problem, is weeds. Not weed. Weed. And everybody's got them, especially on the edge, which is where most of this that I'm going to talk about comes from. And around here, those are a lot of stinging nettle and a lot of thistle, a lot of salmonberry, all things that either poke, sting, bite, whatever else. And so the the solution instead of glyphosate or whatever their type of of of chemical Roundup. Yeah. Which is glyphosate. Glyphosate? Which on a tangent, a friend of ours sent me a a picture of a of a note that was on a logging road that they were at. Because here, there's a lot of logging roads, and a lot of them are now blocked off by the the forestry company with gates. But it it said, be warned.
You know, this area has been sprayed with glyphosate for and it was something like alders, maples, and whatever other trees weren't, you know, the fur that they're looking to to grow because they just treat it like a they treat it like the the forest, like a farm here, basically. Mhmm. Right? They get rid of all the weeds ones, which are the actual pioneer species that are required in order for a healthy forest to the secession that we talked about. Right. And so they just they just spray poison. And then what's that doing? That's killing anything that's under the ground as well, plus any of so just, just a sign right on the side of the road. Yep. This is what we're doing. Oh, great. It says don't walk through it when it's wet.
Don't breathe it. Whatever. So that's awesome. And That's a shame. Instead of doing that, what the solution to this problem is using it for fertilizer. And so what you can do and what I did was spent hours going through and and cutting up a lot of nettle and a lot of thistle and some edge nettle and some some leaves from the salmon berries. And I put it into a garbage can and filled it up with water. I also harvested a bunch of comfrey and put in there as well Mhmm. Along with some worm castings. And now I'm just gonna let it sit for a couple weeks, and it just ferment in the garbage can. And now you can take that and dilute it. And so that garbage can will probably make 500 liters of fertilizer once diluted.
And just using and just using inputs from the property. And it's gonna be fantastic fertilizer. And I might add some other things to it too. I was walking today and I found, off the street, I found some horsetails, which will add a bunch of minerals also. And so I'll probably later go and cut some of those down and then throw them in. And so that that's the solution is creating an amazing fertilizer. And so the takeaway from this is when you're we're talking about limiting your inputs for your property, and this is a great way to do it. Use what you've got. Figure out a way.
And, I mean, ChatGPT or any other
[00:35:46] Oshi:
LLM is gonna be great for this. Know, if you just give it what you have and ask what you can do with it, then you'll probably be shocked with some of the the answers you'll receive. Yeah. It's a good principle too of just using what you have. That's that's what I do personally just on an everyday before I go out and purchase something. It's like what do I have on hand? Let me ask you a question about the weeds though. We have a lot of dandelions here and aren't dandelions, they help break up
[00:36:12] Permanerd:
the soil, don't they? They're good at like breaking it up? They are. For sure. They're one of the Yeah. The ones that if you have hard pack and this is the same way. They kinda they go in and jackhammer the the ground. And they're also dandelion is is the the leaves would be really good to put into this fertilizer as well. We just don't have very many right now for the dandelions, so take any and put in there. But And Yeah. We've got quite a bit. And you can eat the leaves Yeah.
[00:36:45] Oshi:
Yeah. They're really good. I also, sometimes I I uproot the roots and I make a dandelion tea Nice. With the roots and dry them out and grind them up. Yeah. It's really good. Maybe that's something in the episode. Let let us know if you want us to do an episode on common
[00:36:59] Permanerd:
weeds that that have multiple use. Because I I remember, you know, still a lot of people, like, they get so butthurt if there's dandelions in their perfectly manicured lawn.
[00:37:11] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. I never understood. And they're beautiful too. They're bright yellow.
[00:37:16] Permanerd:
The bees like them. To to blow the once they they turn into the little little feather seeds. Wishers. Yeah. Yeah. I call them wishers. So that is the the problem is the solution is these these weeds serve a purpose. Think nettle is very high in in nitrogen. You know, you put it into your your compost pile too, and it's awesome there. And then thistle being then a nutrient accumulator similar to comfrey. So you're taking that and just throw it into the the compost. Hopefully, I remember. I'll I'll keep keep you updated on on how that's going. It'll end up stinking in the end, but
[00:37:55] Oshi:
it'll be well worth it. Definitely. That's really cool. It makes me think of the concept of, Chesterton's fence that we were talking about last episode on not removing something for the sake of removing it but questioning as to like why they're there. So it's a kind of the same premise of weeds being there and to use them for something other than just ripping them out, throwing them away. Yeah. That's great. That's a good enough. Cool. Anything else you wanted to touch on?
[00:38:20] Permanerd:
Not with that, but I do have the third permaculture. I might have just fallen asleep right there for a second. Yeah. If you wanna if you wanna talk about permaculture, we can do that for short if you want. Yeah. Rip on it. So the we've done the the first and the second principle of of permaculture. And then last week, we talked about your trip and kind of the building of the soil. So the the first principle is observe and interact, and then the second one was catch and store energy. And the third principle is obtain a yield. So you're designing systems that produce useful renewable re that can sustain people and and the landscape, which involve well, which includes, animals, insects.
You know, like the I used to always either burn sticks or turn them into turn them into biochar or when before somebody broke my chipper, turn them into mulch. I won't mention names. Fabrice. But the, but now I I I make stacks of them as well, which is a good spot for small birds to live in and also snake love to live in in piles of of, brush. So just just stuff like that is is useful. But one of the things with permaculture is that everything should contribute value in some way. And, ideally, it'll have multipurpose.
It'll have more than one one thing that it's that it's going to do. Maybe food and medicine, or maybe it is, you know, medicine and a pollinator where it brings in the bees, which help pollinate. And so a yield is is more than just what you're harvesting. It it it's it's a benefit for the entire system. So like I said, whether that is a nutrient accumulator. Say, for instance, a good one is artichoke. Right? Artichokes produce huge leaves, which can be used for chop and drop mulch, but also they produce, you know, a beautiful food. And when you are designing for the the different types of then it's that biodiversity as well. And now you're gonna just create a more resilient and, in a way, more rewarding, property or just area that you're designing. And then coming back to what we said before, what you're doing is you're trying to minimize the inputs that are that are coming from outside of your property. And so through this design through the design, you are you're building out everything that you need to sustain, yourself, basically being self sustaining as biodiverse as possible. You're obtaining that yield in in more ways than, you know, just the apples that you Yeah.
[00:41:25] Oshi:
It sounds like it's creating more avenues of communication onto. Could you elaborate on that? Oh, don't know. Just different plants transmitting different signals to each other and the bees and whatever to come by and do their thing and it just kinda creates this orchestra. So it's, it just strengthens its own network by having like how you say just having diversity like that and creating more signals of communication, which just, you know, makes it flourish even further.
[00:41:57] Permanerd:
Would you say that it is high signal, low noise? Def. No doubt. Yeah. It does it does creates that that equilibrium and that biodiversity. You you want you want pests, I guess we'll call them. You know, you want those those bugs that are gonna be eating your plants because they're feeding the beneficial insects and the predatory insects, and you need to keep them around. You know, you don't want you don't want zero you don't want zero pests because then there's not going to be any any of the predators. And so if you do get an outbreak of aphids or whatever it is, then it'll take quite a long time for those ladybugs to come around.
But if there's enough aphids
[00:42:47] Oshi:
to feed the ladybugs the whole time, then they're already there. They kinda keep them in check. Yeah. It makes me think. Last evening I was watching all these bats fly around in the sky over, just close to where I live. And there's just been so many mosquitoes and gnats lately. This is like the worst part of summer here in the South. But I was just watching the bats. There's probably 20 of them. And I was just kind of thinking about, you know, the things we talk about. Yeah. I mean, without the bats then there would just be a infestation of these little suckers.
So thank God for the bats. Yes. That's a good episode title. Write that down. So that is
[00:43:26] Permanerd:
Oshie and I sitting on our rocking chairs whittling wood on the permaculture porch.
[00:43:35] Oshi:
It's fun. I learn a lot from these because, you know, I'm not too well, I know a bit, but it's good educational stuff. Hopefully, other people enjoy it. Seems to be. Yeah. I've gotten some some good feedback.
[00:43:48] Permanerd:
And it is things that when it comes down to it or after you start to understand it, it becomes obvious. Yeah. But our culture has long since forgotten, you know, whether it's through monoculture farm growing 10,000 acres of a corn Mhmm. And then using those fertilizers and the pesticides and whatever, you know, herbicides. And, like, that's just not that it's that that the biggest little farm, what I talked about last time. You know? We
[00:44:19] Oshi:
started watching it Oh, nice. By the way. What'd you think? Yeah. It's good. Pretty incredible production,
[00:44:25] Permanerd:
I will say. Yeah. Because we were we were watching that with my father-in-law, and and after we after it was done, we were we were discussing it. Nope. Can't work. Too many people to feed. Yes. But the point is that it does work. Right. That's how we've been doing it, I don't know, thousands of years. Yeah. And if you have if you have more of a decentralized system where you've got, you know, 10 small farms that you're supporting and, you know, one one chicken farm instead of buying Tyson, you know, instead of getting your vegetables from Costco, you're supporting these these local farmers, then, yeah, it does work. But if you're just under the Fiat mindset of, you know, there's so many people to feed that we need these huge corporations in order to do it. I mean, you're just you're you're kinda just brainwashed into the whole Fiat mindset.
[00:45:18] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. It really is. It makes me think about how we do rotational crops and whatnot and think about how we used to be kind of nomadic people and would travel with warmer weather and we stopped doing that. We just started posting up where we live now. I don't know, maybe that's one of the causes for all of this among many other things to be sure. But I don't know where the problem really started. I guess, I don't know, think of like the history of agriculture itself and surplus because people started to have surplus, they needed to put that somewhere, protect it from other tribes and other people trying to get it and it just kind of
[00:45:58] Permanerd:
spun out of that. Well then refrigeration also played a part. You know, you could go back to irrigation as well once you start figuring out irrigation and being able to grow crops where normally you wouldn't be able to grow such big crops. But then, I mean, I also I also think that that the introduction to the fiat instead of the fiat system where now, you know, there's there's unlimited amounts of money where you can subsidize farmers to not grow crops in order to keep the prices high or subsidizing corn so that they can turn it into fuel or, you know, whatever other subsidies there are, unlimited funds. And so now you're instead of a a farmer needing to figure out other ways to survive and other ways to make their their farm resilient, they can just take money from the government and not have to figure any of that out. Yeah. And then they need that money because all the taxes are rising, and then you've got inheritance tax so that somebody has a thousand acre farm.
And they die, it goes to their kids. And now their kids can't afford the inheritance tax, so they have to sell off half the farm in order to pay for that tax.
[00:47:10] Oshi:
Makes me sad. We need to end on a good note. Bitcoin fixes that. Bitcoin fixes it.
[00:47:17] Permanerd:
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[00:47:21] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. It's the Market Square merchant of the day here. Market Square merchant of the day.
[00:47:34] Permanerd:
They have one product that is on one of our favorite websites, takemystatsdotcom. And Never gets old. And that is Strategic Bitcoin Preserve.
[00:47:50] Oshi:
Good name.
[00:47:51] Permanerd:
Yes. And, Jimple Jumble, if you're listening to this, I am pretty sure that that that was a name that I had given you when you on Noster, when you're looking for a name, which is
[00:48:04] Oshi:
Someone someone needs some royalty. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
[00:48:08] Permanerd:
It looks like they use all organic products for that preserve, which is orange Seville or no. Organic Seville or organic sugar and or and it says that they're shipping worldwide. Please DM for a quote. And so Jimble's has been around for quite some time, and they have a a website as well called jimble'sjumble.odoo,odoo,.com. And it looks like they have all their products on here, which include elderberry jelly, chunky I don't even know what that word is. Picallilly. Picallilly. And Sounds fancy. Gourmet beef dripping, and marrow marrow ginger or marrow ginger and date chutney. Dates. Talking my language. Along with a bunch of other stuff.
And it looks like they are in The UK, but it says they ship. So make sure you use the promo code YADA if there's a spot. If not, let them know that that we met we set up. Yeah. Yeah. Their stuff looks great. It does. And this is circles back around to what we were talking about. You know, that they this was May, I think, last year that that they started selling the products.
[00:49:21] Oshi:
That's awesome. I think it was around January of last year when I started. Been quite the journey. Yeah. It really has. It's it's it's fun, man. I'm really glad that that we ended up getting together. Yeah. Definitely. Just the the I'm learning so much, like, every day, every week. It's and things are just moving so fast. And it's tough to not, you know, get exhausted and try to keep up with everything, but we're all in it together.
[00:49:47] Permanerd:
Just have fun. We are. And the feedback that we get make Yeah.
[00:49:52] Oshi:
Yeah, definitely. I never thought I'd be doing a podcast, but yeah thankful for it. Thankful for Noster and all the customers that have come my way, come your way. It's awesome. Speaking of which, where can people? Noster only and website is oshegood.us. I've got a new batch of maple syrup huddle butter, which is really really good. The maple syrup comes from our friend, Fulu, who we spoke about earlier over at Sweet Sats. What else? Got the OG huddle butter back in stock. You can use the promo code YADA at checkout to save some sats if you want.
And then that Oshi pre order t shirt, I think everybody got that now. So I know Pam, shout out Pam. She got hers the other day and made a little post. It's super cool to see. It's so funny to see that little Oshi shirt as it was just like a little doodle that I made. I was like, oh, this should be a t shirt and here we are. So I think I sold what 10? So there's 10 of these shirts in the world. So congrats to the 10 of you guys. Other than that, that's it for me. Are you all sucked up on comfrey and things? I am. I still haven't got any of the the ice cream sandwiches or anything.
[00:51:06] Permanerd:
Oh, man. Those look so But, yeah, there's been a a really, really positive feedback on those. I'm gonna take a bunch tonight because they I took five or something, and they were people wanted more at the at the meetup last time. So the yeah. But just that's the number 4snacks.com. And if you want, I've got a few packages of of freeze dried fudgesicles and strawberry and blueberry, yogurt sickles as well that I don't have on the site. So just hit me up on Noster or send an email or something. And we do have an email address, which is say hi@YouAreTheAlgo.com.
So that's been fairly lonely. Can send an email as well. But other than that, I think I've got everything on the the website. I I started to I looked at the the one that I've been that I was working on before as a new website. And, I mean, anytime you set a project down like that, you know, it takes an entire day of just trying to figure out what it's doing order to get back into
[00:52:16] Oshi:
trying to develop a bit more of it. I know it will, man. Oh my gosh. It hurts just thinking about that. Yeah. You gotta commit. You gotta commit the git, you know? Yeah. Nice. Let me ask you, can you freeze dry anything? It seems like you can. Well,
[00:52:31] Permanerd:
my philosophy for if it if it let's see. What was it? If it fits inside, it gets freeze dried. So
[00:52:39] Oshi:
If she floats, she What
[00:52:42] Permanerd:
else floats? A duck. Very small pebble. Yeah. A very small stone. Kill her.
[00:52:47] Oshi:
Yeah. What what do you what were you thinking? Oh, I don't know. I just love that you can freeze dry just popsicles and ice cream and all these other things. It's pretty cool. I've done I've done
[00:52:57] Permanerd:
full meals. Like, I've got a few packs of of buttered chicken. I've done beef Safe. Cooked beef, raw beef. Beef is cool. Like, you cook a steak, you freeze dry it, and it if you just taste it, it's a bit it's like Styrofoam. I mean, it still has the flavor, but then you just soak it in water, and it tastes just like it. Oh, so it's like space food. It's exactly space. Cool. And then what else? I mean, fruits, vegetables, you can name soups, chili. Chili works out really well. Put your kids in there if they're bad.
But yeah. That's super cool, though. I wanna get one. I just have a little dehydrator for the huddle bars that I make. Yes. I actually have a like, I'd I've been I've been saving the huddle huddle bars. I've got a couple left from you from
[00:53:45] Oshi:
Still? Oh my goodness.
[00:53:47] Permanerd:
And Well, they last. They're just dates. Yeah. And then I was going and then they're they're in the refrigerator, but I was thinking about taking one of those out and freeze Oh, do that. Let me know how it happens. Yep. I'm curious. Alright. Well, thank you all for joining us. And, again, we'll state that we appreciate any feedback, sharing of the show. Mhmm. And it really is it makes us laugh too, Jim. I'll say Jim. Yeah. That's a pretty funny boost. And we do this we've been pretty consistent recording on Fridays, putting out on Saturdays. Yep. And looks like we'll be on time for that again.
So Mhmm. Until next time, just remember that you are the algorithm.
Introductions, cat recovery, and baseball wins
Searching for Daniel and joking about flyover states
Butter orders, family visits, and raw milk gifts
Value for value boosts and listener messages
Show analytics, downloads, and the Lykum jar
Helping friends with Bitcoin and avoiding KYC
Best non KYC Bitcoin methods and local meetups
Peer to peer tools, gift cards, ATMs, and mining
Weeds as fertilizer and using what your land provides
Permaculture principle three: obtain a yield
Market Square merchant spotlight and closing updates
