In this episode, we catch up on life first — including an aging cat’s recovery, a quiet weekend of deep cleaning and tree planting, and a surprisingly deep rabbit hole into persimmon varieties, pollination, and planning a more biodiverse harvest. From there we dig into listener boosts, podcast analytics, and a few open questions from the community, including troubles logging into Fountain on GrapheneOS and the ongoing mystery of “Daniel in Minnesota.”
Most of the conversation centers on regenerative farming and the parallels between healthy soil and healthy systems. We talk about a local regenerative farm visit, water retention in soil, shallow vs. deep tilling, biochar, cardboard mulching, rotational chicken grazing, and why it’s better to think of yourself as growing soil rather than just growing plants. That naturally leads into a wider discussion about Bitcoin’s base layer, Chesterton’s Fence, Bitcoin Core vs. Knots, and how much tinkering is too much. We close by highlighting SeedVault.Market, reflecting on circular economies in Bitcoin, and sharing where to find our own products and projects online.
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- Bitcoin Core: https://bitcoincore.org/en/about/
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- Chesterton's Fence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesterton%27s_fence
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[00:00:15] Permanerd:
Hello, Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and I am joined today by my cohort in crime. And well, what do you say? The cheater on a different podcast, I guess?
[00:00:34] Oshi:
I didn't cheat on you. They invited me.
[00:00:38] Permanerd:
Oh, well, that's not cheating. Yeah. It's different. It's different when they when the person invites you. Because they invited me in the house and I ate them because they invited me. Vampire. What is this? Episode 12. We got it. There you go. Nice. Throat up front. How are doing?
[00:00:56] Oshi:
Doing good. Doing well. Rather than me correct my speech, doing well. How are you?
[00:01:02] Permanerd:
I am also doing well. We've had a bit of a it's been a week now of nursing an elderly cat back to back to health. Oh. One of our cats, Wiley, is 15. And last Saturday, I was actually out looking for him because I hadn't seen him in a while. And he was in a a side yard, and he was just laying there. And usually if he sees me, he'll come up, but he was just laying there. I started petting him. He was purring, but his back his entire back end was not moving at all. Oh. So Fifteen. He's up there. He is up there.
So I, yeah, I lifted up one of his back legs. It was pretty floppy. So Aw. That's taking him to the vet. And he had two pretty good fractures in one leg. And so he's in a cast now, and he was struggling to use the litter box and whatnot for a while. He's he's doing pretty good now, but still have no idea what happened. He was just in the middle of the yard with not super close to the road, not so not underneath a climbing tree or anything.
[00:02:15] Oshi:
Yeah. Well, that's sad. I hope it gets better.
[00:02:19] Permanerd:
Yeah. He's he's doing well. I mean, for a 15 year old cat. But
[00:02:25] Oshi:
that's been part of my week. But from the sounds of it, you got the whole house to yourself this weekend?
[00:02:30] Permanerd:
I did. Yes. The the crew left to go to Edmonton on The big smoke? Wednesday, the big exactly. Big smoke. So I've been getting things that just take a long time and don't show a lot of progress done. Mhmm. Some deep cleaning in the house. Planted a couple persimmon trees.
[00:02:51] Oshi:
Oh. I love persimmons. Oh my gosh. Nice. Yeah.
[00:02:55] Permanerd:
Well, I started I had bought was at Costco and they had persimmon trees and they're not very common around here until
[00:03:02] Oshi:
Yeah. I was gonna say that actually the pecan farmer, pecan farmer that I work with, he grows persimmons and he gave me just like a couple a while ago to try. I've never tried persimmons until then and man, those things are amazing. They're so sweet,
[00:03:18] Permanerd:
so good. Do you know what variety they were?
[00:03:21] Oshi:
I can't remember.
[00:03:24] Permanerd:
Did they have seeds? No.
[00:03:26] Oshi:
They didn't have seeds. Okay.
[00:03:28] Permanerd:
So the I figured out quite a bit about this as my one of my neighbors is very heavy into gardening, and she has a a small nursery that she started a couple years ago bringing in edible, not so common, trees and and plants. And and so I had sent her a a picture. Like, hey. I got one of my persimmons in. She's like, oh, what variety is it? And it turns out that American persimmons have seeds. Whereas Asian ones, most of them don't. And so she said that she's got Asian persimmons. And because I planted American ones, there's a good chance that it'll get pollinated, and then hers will have seeds as well. And so I went down a a persimmons rabbit hole basically and figured out different, varieties.
And so I ended up getting a couple different ones that were that have the Asian persuasion.
[00:04:22] Oshi:
Yeah. I'm looking them up right now. Yeah. I didn't realize there was so much variety.
[00:04:26] Permanerd:
There is. And then there's also an astringent and a non astringent. And so the astringent ones, which is the the American variety that as far as I understand it. And you can't eat it until it is completely ripe, where it starts to almost get mushier. Some of them turn into almost like a jelly. Yeah. And so they have seeds, and then you have to wait for them to get ripe. Whereas some of the the Asian or Japanese versions,
[00:04:58] Oshi:
you can eat them like a crisp apple as well, and they're not disgusting. Yeah. The the one that that my farmer has, he it was more of, the the mushy kind of one. It's really, really good. Very much like pudding or something. It was so delicious. Really sweet. Yeah. That's what they say. The the flavors are. There's, caramel
[00:05:17] Permanerd:
almost. Mhmm. Yep.
[00:05:19] Oshi:
Yep. Very much. It might be the I'm looking at it here. Fuyu, f u y u. Yep. Yep. And then they got the Jiro, g or j I r o. They look very similar. That was the one of the varieties I got was an early Jiro. Early Giro. Yeah. So I've got two. Good band name. Yes.
[00:05:40] Permanerd:
Early Giro. Yeah. Just trying to increase the the biodiversity of that's one of the things too. When you're when you're planting, you're kinda you wanna look for you know, if you have apple trees, look for early, mid, and late apples. So they ripen at different times of the year so you have a harvest continuously instead of just having, you know, a ton of apples in this in the fall. Maybe you'll get some in late summer.
[00:06:07] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. I think maybe we'll touch on it later but Absolutely. Egg eggplant and okra seem to grow pretty much like all year long. It seems to go and thrive through winter and warm weather,
[00:06:22] Permanerd:
but that's just what I've heard. Yeah. Well, it's again, it's like, you know, is it a perennial or is it an annual? Well, where do you live? Right? Tomatoes can be annuals, but they're not gonna survive here in the Gotcha.
[00:06:34] Oshi:
Should we run the numbers? Yeah. Let's do it.
[00:06:38] Permanerd:
So the the Yotta podcast is a little venture that Osha and I decided endeavor upon. Jeez. What how long ago do we talk about it? Six months? Probably, which is crazy. Yep. It is crazy. So, I mean, we're on episode 12, which is three months of of doing the show. Yep. And we don't take sponsors. We are value for value, open source, do whatever you want with this show. I think we're both cool with that. And value can be anything from sharing the show, sending an email, hitting us up on Noster, or sending us a boost on podcasting two point o compatible apps such as Fountain.
And with that boost, which is a small amount of Bitcoin, you can send a boost to Graham, which we like to read because some of them are funny, some of them pat us on the back, and we appreciate both.
[00:07:36] Oshi:
Yeah. I like the funny ones.
[00:07:39] Permanerd:
As do I. There's even some negative ones possibly. So send us whatever you want to. I welcome it. Bring it. So the first boostogram is from the fountain app, and it's 10:33 from Jim Seifert. Thanks, Jim. And it says the one thing I'd like to see more of regarding the second permaculture principle is examining one's own waste stream to slow export of outputs and reduce inputs. Not just recycle, reuse, but concentrate on reduce of inputs and outputs. Management of our own waste stream is on each of us. Take care of your own shit, and it'll take care of you.
And then it says, you don't have to read my hashtags. Hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown ostrich. I don't have to, but I like to. So that is and maybe we'll touch on that later too, but that is certainly a big part of permaculture is just slowing down and hopefully eventually eliminating any external inputs. Mhmm. And and that comes, again, back to the biodiversity and and growing plants. We we touched upon in the guild, growing plants that not only produce a yield of food, but also produce a yield of mulch or, like comfrey, you know, mining those minerals from deeper than the tree's roots can grow and then and then cutting off the leaves and and mulching with those. And now what you're doing is introducing all of those nutrients from down there to a place where the tree can receive it.
And now you're not buying nitrogen fertilizers in order to, help your crops. The next, boost is 2,099 from bullish clips. Nice. The referral code feature is still a work in progress, but Yotta supporters will get hooked up, sign up, and start selling stuff for Sats the easy way at httpscolon//www.take my sats. Well, thank you, bullish. Yeah. I always appreciate it. Thank you, bullish. And then we've got a row of sticks one one one one sats from Eric FJ. Oh,
[00:10:13] Oshi:
my cheater.
[00:10:14] Permanerd:
I gave you one one pass, and you used it on Eric FJ. Alright.
[00:10:22] Oshi:
You had a good time, though. Missed you.
[00:10:28] Permanerd:
For anybody that's wondering we're talking about,
[00:10:31] Oshi:
Oh She Went well, you can talk about it. Yeah. He invited me onto their podcast with, his buddy Sync. And, yeah, I just kind of spoke about my history about Oshi and Bitcoin and Oster and all that stuff. And before all that, they were doing more technical things discussion, but a little bit over my head, but that's okay. I learned a bunch of stuff. But, yeah, it's a good podcast. I worth it's worth checking out, I think. So thanks again, Eric and Sync. It was really fun. And that's the Open Markets podcast
[00:11:01] Permanerd:
who if you open the door just a crack, they'll open it and steal your cohost. And his boostergram says, sir, morning, and thank you for allowing us to borrow your otter friend and his strings. He's quite clever and talented. I'm glad you two communicated about him having a fling with open markets. We had fun, but I can assure you he remains a loyal he remains loyal to Yada. You're his primary. We'd like to continue these polypod cross pollinations and have you on sometimes for the for some blah blah on BTC slash Noster circular economies, permaculture, and Canadianisms.
A a plus tarde monamie.
[00:11:50] Oshi:
I'll let you go cheat with them. Oh, man.
[00:11:54] Permanerd:
Were they were they kind? Were they gentle? Very,
[00:11:59] Oshi:
very gentle. I can assure you that.
[00:12:03] Permanerd:
Cool. Well, maybe we'll make it happen sometime. Yeah.
[00:12:08] Oshi:
You should. And then You talked on some other podcast, though. Right?
[00:12:13] Permanerd:
You got some other one you were saying? Yeah. We we were actually supposed to record on Thursday, but it it didn't work out so well with Ivor Tola and Ivor. Yeah. And my friend door to door. We do a podcast called Android App Addicts.
[00:12:28] Oshi:
Cool. Drop that in the in the link somewhere. Lot lot of blah blah blah on there too.
[00:12:35] Permanerd:
And the next boostogram is $4.20 sats, which is a very common donation, which is much appreciated from our friend, Undisciplined. These are all for, episode number 11, Ren in trouble. And it says, I've noticed people using Noster as social media less often, even regular Stacker News users. When you have inventory, try posting it in the Agora at Stacker News. Mhmm. There might be some interest there. Good call. Yeah. I do that sometimes. Yeah. I want to do all of just drop my just drop my chair to the floor. Come back up. Okay.
Yeah. There's Everyone wet. They teach you that over that open markets podcast. Yeah. There's a lot of things that I want to do. Unfortunately, I so hard to get around to to many of them, and Stacker News is still still on the list. I've got things that I'm half written that I wanna post on there. It's just it's I I need to figure out a better way during the winter to get all of this kind of stuff done. Because once spring comes around, it's just it's a gong show constantly moving. I hear you. And then we got another 99 stats from bullish clips.
And it just says bullish on the edge.
[00:14:05] Oshi:
Nice. Gotta dig in for that one.
[00:14:08] Permanerd:
Really dig deep. And then there's a one ninety eight stats from as nine thirty seven. And it says, new Yada podcast coffee grounded in the garden. Blessed to have this community.
[00:14:24] Oshi:
Beautiful.
[00:14:27] Permanerd:
That really is beautiful. And thank you. That was that was awesome. I really like that one. And I think that was it. So thank you, guys.
[00:14:37] Oshi:
Thank you. Thank you.
[00:14:39] Permanerd:
And now I'll move on to the analytics section. That's my analytics song. I like it. You like it? So we host this on Pod Home, which the the bill just came up. And I still haven't heard back from them to pay monthly in stats, but the bill came up. And we were covered with, with boosts. Cool. So that's awesome. But just barely. We squeaked and squeaked in. So any any more help contributions would be great because there are small fees of that are associated with this podcast, and there will be more coming up in the future.
So we're at all time downloads are 7,178. Episode number 11 kinda went down considerably. So in the first twenty four hours, it's 222, which was down from three zero three from the episode before. And we're at a total of 454 downloads, whereas episode 10 was at six eighty one and then seven twenty nine and seven thirty one. Well, that's what you get for a whole number. Right? Yeah. That's what you get for I don't know what for, actually. Let us know. Why why would the numbers drop off like that? Is it the title? Is it the art? Is it I don't know, man. We gotta figure this out.
[00:16:12] Oshi:
Maybe, it's because I went on the the other podcast.
[00:16:17] Permanerd:
People don't like whores.
[00:16:19] Oshi:
Yeah. Keep going, man. One and done. Come on.
[00:16:28] Permanerd:
And then it is still Domus and Apple Podcast taking the lead for players. IPhone, 76%. Android at 9.65%. And we've got a couple of new countries at the bottom of the list of downloads, and that includes Ukraine Ukraine. Laos or Lao as it is pronounced, which I've been to, and it's pretty amazing. I'd recommend it. Cameroon, and I think that's it. I think we had Brunei before. So that's pretty cool. We got last episode, we had a a boost from Lithuania. So let's see what else we can do here. Laos, let me know where you're at.
[00:17:15] Oshi:
That's really cool. What were you doing in Laos?
[00:17:18] Permanerd:
Oh, just exploring. I've spent quite a bit of time in Southeast Asia, and there's a kind of a tourist circuit that goes up through up through Laos, so I did that. It was pretty amazing.
[00:17:33] Oshi:
Yeah. That's cool. Spending so You don't hear much much about Laos
[00:17:36] Permanerd:
in the everyday. No. I mean, the the most I heard about it was before was, like, just being the the dump off spot for extra bombs in the Vietnam War. Like, they would fly over and then just empty their cash that they didn't use to blow up people in North Vietnam and drop it on Laos. Oh, well, that's not so good. Yeah. Yeah. Here you go. You're welcome. It's a dump ground. But that whole area over there is is pretty fantastic. I mean, the, you know, Thailand and Cambodia with Angkor Wat. If you ever get a chance to go to Angkor Wat, I mean, there's a guy that likes to take pictures. You could be there for the rest of your life taking pictures.
[00:18:20] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to go to more of East Asia and stuff. I've only been to Japan twice, but we we traveled, like, all across Japan for three weeks, all the way from Tokyo all the way down to Fukuoka,
[00:18:34] Permanerd:
like the island on the South Side. But, yeah, gotta do some more traveling. We'll see. Well, it seems to just be getting worse and worse though as far as I know. Airports and security and Mhmm. All that fun stuff.
[00:18:49] Oshi:
Because I may be going to Colombia to visit our friend Steven over at Bitcoin Beans maybe late September. So hopefully, the situation of flying and stuff will be better. Probably not, but fingers crossed. Wow. That would be that would be amazing. Yeah. It'd be really fun. He's been wanting me to come over and help him plant cacao trees and help, build his, his home over there. So it should be really fun.
[00:19:19] Permanerd:
So he's looking for a laborer. Yeah. You know? Cool. Gotta put me to work. Gotta earn your keep, if you know what I mean. Be handy with the or has it be handy with the steel, if you know what I mean. Regulators
[00:19:32] Oshi:
mount up. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a good trip, though. It'd be nice to learn a bit more about the land of where the cacao comes from because I do work with it in the products that I have. So that's kind of one of the main things that he really wanted to encourage me to come and experience, which is really cool. Yeah. For sure. And who knows? I may not come back. I may just stay. Awesome. Yeah. So this may be the last podcast.
[00:19:59] Permanerd:
I blame Eric, FJ, and Sync. Alright. The last thing we will do for numbers, at least these types of numbers, is the jar, the jar. So for episode 11, and this is just where we like to be impeccable with our word and try to try to eliminate Speak gooder. Yeah. We like to speak gooder and eliminate filler words. And in the last episode, Oshi had 3,442 words with a minimal nine fillers for a point 26%, and that's three ums. Yeah. Three ums and six likes.
[00:20:52] Oshi:
Okay.
[00:20:53] Permanerd:
And I had 6,113 words, seven fillers for a point one one percent, and that's zero ums
[00:21:01] Oshi:
and seven like. Okay. We're doing pretty good.
[00:21:05] Permanerd:
And I I vibe coded this this counter in about twenty minutes, so the accuracy is infallible.
[00:21:12] Oshi:
It's, like, perfect.
[00:21:15] Permanerd:
It's, like, perfect, like. So Hey.
[00:21:19] Oshi:
Hey. You're you're inflating your count, sir. Like, stop it.
[00:21:29] Permanerd:
We should do an episode where we could just see how many we can get. Like, it could be really, like, easy to do that. Like, this will just sound like just about every other podcast
[00:21:40] Oshi:
that's out there. Like It would sound like just normal people having conversations, like, at the Applebee's talking about, like, their experience at the bar the other night. Like, I can't believe we're at the same farmer's market. Like, oh my god. You're also getting tomatoes? Oh,
[00:21:56] Permanerd:
I can't believe that you're wearing that. Alright.
[00:22:02] Oshi:
Alright. Let's be let's be kind here.
[00:22:05] Permanerd:
Oh, that wasn't kind?
[00:22:07] Oshi:
It's true. It's true, though. Truth can be hurtful. Yeah.
[00:22:13] Permanerd:
I mean, is it is it hurtful if it's true? Yeah. That's that's that is true. Does this picture make me look ugly? Not
[00:22:22] Oshi:
the picture. Does this picture make you feel bad?
[00:22:29] Permanerd:
Okay. Well, that wraps up the the, numerology and stats section. So now we'll just talk about anything we want to because it's our show. And the first thing I want free reign. First thing I wanna talk about is where is Daniel in Minnesota? Daniel. Daniel. Daniel. Daniel. Still missing? I I really cannot get ahold of him. And I kinda feel bad, but fire Did a flare? Need to. I had smoke signals, flares. I sent a a carrier pigeon.
[00:23:15] Oshi:
Oh, and still nothing? Man. Nothing. So
[00:23:19] Permanerd:
if you if you're in Minnesota and you know a guy named Daniel, just ask him if it's him.
[00:23:26] Oshi:
Oh, I think our friend BJ who sells awesome jerky, I think she's also in Minnesota. BJ,
[00:23:33] Permanerd:
find Daniel. Go find him. Go find him. Find him. Find him, girl. You know what? I'm gonna offer a 5,000 sat reward for anybody that can find Daniel in Minnesota. I need to make posters, dude. Let's make some posters. Wait. Do you know his MPUB? And that's something that I've thought about too with the BTC pay server is I've got email addresses that you put in, but maybe I need to put n pubs.
[00:24:02] Oshi:
Maybe. I don't have that for mine. That's actually probably a good thing to include. Because I did have one, one case where I had a hard time reaching the person, but I actually did make a nostril post,
[00:24:14] Permanerd:
and he saw it. Was his name Daniel by any chance? Is he in Minnesota? It wasn't it wasn't Daniel, unfortunately.
[00:24:21] Oshi:
I think it was Robert. Shout out Robert. I think Daniel's short for Robert, isn't it? I think so. Isn't Dick Richard? Dick Richard?
[00:24:28] Permanerd:
Dick Richards? Hello?
[00:24:30] Oshi:
It's a sick name.
[00:24:34] Permanerd:
And I I I wanna reach out to I I just I like, this has now become a podcast to me just asking for help. I cannot log in to Fountain on my phone, which is running the latest GrapheneOS and the latest Fountain app, and it just won't and Amber trying to use Amber to sign in. Somebody help me out because it just
[00:25:04] Oshi:
won't work. So much for the latest and greatest. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's why I just stick with the the current OS before the new one comes out because if it's stable, I'm staying put.
[00:25:17] Permanerd:
But I've been having problems with this for for a long time with Fountain. I ended up getting, APK pure, I think, which allows you to download older variations. Or Oh, yeah. That's what you were saying on the other episode. Yeah. And so I got it to work that way by doing an old old fountain version, but I it won't even work with that anymore. So help me, please. Help. Help. Help. Is there anybody out there?
[00:25:49] Oshi:
Gotta learn that one. How about you? What's new? What is new? Well, a lot is new. I just got back well, I went yesterday with my little bit Bitcoin group here in town. There's maybe five of us that went to a regenerative farm, which was really fun because you know we've been talking permaculture and stuff lately or you have and I thought it was an a fitting trip to take. So we were there for I don't know a few hours actually, maybe three, four hours. Learned a lot. Learned a lot about soil and tilling and things like that.
He grows a variety of things. He's got a bunch of produce and stuff, but he's got lamb, rabbits. I was looking forward to get some rabbit meat, but he didn't have any left, unfortunately. Ducks. What else? Or he was talking about getting a dairy cow. Or actually, he does have a dairy cow, which is good to know. He was telling us about wanting to sell raw milk and having to you know, the the labeling the labeling for the raw milk is the thing that he's worried about because he just has to put what is it? Not for human consumption or something that the raw milk labels have to have.
He was going all over that, but there was a few things I wanted to talk to you about to pick your brain a bit. And I was taking notes while I was there. And one of the things that he mentioned, which I thought was really interesting, about soil, was that every 1% increase in soil organic matter can hold around 200,000 gallons of water per acre. I'm not sure if that's a little bit inflated of a number. I'm sure you wouldn't necessarily agree with that from what we're talking about from when we were not recording, but I thought that was pretty interesting because, you know, healthy oil or healthy oil. Healthy soil. Let's let's get it straight here. Healthy soil, you know, it should act like a sponge. Right? So the more healthy the soil, the easier it is for water retention and
[00:27:57] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's exactly that's where that's where the organic matter comes in so handy is is you just the the more carbon that you put in, you know, whether that's if you look at a a rotting log and just, you know, even if it's been sunny for a while, you can still go to the middle and it'll be like a sponge. It'll be still full of water. So it's basically that same thing. And 200,000 gallons seems like quite a lot. All the numbers that I've ever seen are, you know, 20 to 25,000 gallons, which is still Which is still pretty significant. Absolutely. For 1% too. I mean that's That's what blew my mind. Yeah. That's where biochar comes in as well, which biochar is just created it's charcoal, but it's a pure form of charcoal. There are there are no impurities. So it's not like buying a briquette for your your stove or your barbecue.
Mhmm. And I've actually made quite a bit here, and you just it's burning wood or or almond husks or whatever else you have or almond shells, I mean, bamboo at a high temperature with low oxygen. And so what that's doing is just burning out everything except the carbon. And then what you're left with is when you when you when you touch it, you can just wipe the the residue off your hands. You know, sometimes you pick up a a piece of wood that's been burning in a in a fire. Yeah. Ideally, it's cooled off before you grab it. And then and then you get, like, that tar residue that just won't come off. Mhmm. So biochar doesn't have that that, personality.
And it sounds like glass when you when you jiggle it together. Oh. And so that is a an excellent way to add pure carbon to your soil. I'm not really sure what made me Yeah. Go into that diatribe.
[00:29:54] Oshi:
Speaking of the whole carbon thing, the other thing that, Steven, what's his name, the farmer at this, Hazelnut Prairie? Hazelnut Farm? One of the two. Really, really awesome guy. But he was also telling us about how he tills his soil because typical farms, these GMO farms, they do deep deep tilling of the soil, which isn't necessarily a good thing from what I understand now because, you know, you're breaking apart soil structure, which is becomes more vulnerable to erosion and stuff, and it just destroys, like, the fungal networks and things like that.
So he what he does is that he just does shallow, tilling, maybe, like, three inches kinda deep.
[00:30:38] Permanerd:
And then while you're doing the deeper tilling, it just it exposes that carbon. Right? I guess so. One of the the the problems with the tilling is you like you said, you're breaking up all those. You're killing tons of of the microbiology that's under there Yeah. By exposing it to sunlight and air and drying it out. All these things need some sort of moisture to survive. That's what tilling, like you said as well, is you're breaking up the mycelium networks and just overall, it's completely destructive.
And now you're like, you're killing all of that. And it just just contributes to that, that chemical fertilizer cycle. Yep. Right? Anything that you've, any gains that you've made over the year by having those roots in the ground and, you know, any sort of microbial life that has grown, you're just killing it off again and then just fill it up with with more more fertilizer reliant on the out or on the inputs like we were talking about before.
[00:31:44] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. Healthy soil, healthy ecosystem.
[00:31:49] Permanerd:
Well, and that's the point really is, you know, you're you're not necessarily when you're when you're building out a food forest or a garden of any type, I find it is more beneficial to look at it as growing soil, not plants. Because once Yeah. Once the soil is healthy, you know, if you can turn dirt into soil, then whatever you plant is going to thrive so much more. So don't worry about, I mean, worry about the plants. But if you're if you're more focused on on growing soil, building soil, then it's gonna make everything else so much easier to grow. What are some good methods in doing that? I like to use cardboard.
Like, it's Cardboard. I was listening to a Bitcoin and a rerun, and it was about about soil. And, like, David Bennett is is a master at describing this stuff much more than I am. But he said that he just looks and he just sees everything he sees on a on a field is soil. Right? He sees the cows and and they're they're soil. All they are is soil. They're they're helping the soil. And I can't explain it as well as he did, but I kinda see that same thing when, you know, there's this influx of Amazon everywhere.
And I see cardboard boxes. I see soil. And so, everywhere that that I plant, like these persimmon trees, what I did is I have a small tractor and I peeled off because it's in this area that is I I messed up a while ago before I knew what I was doing and and just cleared a little area and put put weed barrier down. And it's just a very hot area in the property and there's just nothing there. And so I I used the the backhoe to pull pull the the top layer of weeds and everything out and then threw down biochar, watered that area really well.
And and then what I'll normally do if I have it ready is put, worm castings and make an extract and then put that down there just to get a little bit of life going before, you know, just a little jump start. And then maybe some comfrey leaves and stuff like that. And then I'll put down cardboard, wet it, and then I've got some compost soil and then put that down over the top and then plant into that, cut holes in the cardboard and plant into it. And then, mean, that just gives a good a good start. And then every fall, just create a thick layer of cardboard with more and then mulch. Mulch over the whole thing. Lots and lots of mulch. Three inches of of mulch.
And then in the in the fall, do the same thing, kinda peel back the mulch, put down tons of cardboard, cover it back up, and then just that is a viable way to you know, that that also fits into the problem is the solution. You know, like, oh, I've got all this this cardboard around and, oh, I can use it to build soil. Yeah. Use what you have.
[00:35:00] Oshi:
Yep. That kinda leads into the third thing that Steven, the farmer, was saying to us. He he has these chicken huts that he used for rotational grazing on his property, which I thought was, like, really cool. They're, like, these I don't know. Maybe foot and a half tall, maybe I don't know. 20 by 20 kind of chicken tractor kind of things where he would move the chickens across different sections of the pasture and let them kind of scratch the manure and the other stuff from other livestock and it helps spread the nutrients and things and eat the insects.
I thought that was a really, really cool, method of
[00:35:38] Permanerd:
of of, helping the soil and stuff like that. Do you do you have any chickens or anything like that? I do. My my initial plan with them was a chicken tractor and then I built the chicken tractor and it was way, way too heavy. And so it turned into just a stationary chicken house. Okay. But that that Yeah. This guy was moving it. Yep. Yeah. And we don't we only have three and a half acres, and it's not and maybe half of it is cleared. So we don't have as much of the space as something like that sounds like when you've got the cows, and then you're you're following them with the chickens.
And that's a a fantastic way to do it too is most people will have their their cows. And then when they move it, you know, three days later, they'll move the chickens in. And by that time, the the fly and other bug eggs will start to hatch, and then the chickens will be eating the larvae. Yeah. And like you said, spread spreading it around. And and then so that's why I'm kind of interested as to why he tills even three inches. It sounds like he's got some some good management going on.
[00:36:50] Oshi:
Yeah. It's a I'm trying to think of how big his acreage is. The the land itself is pretty interesting. It wasn't very wide but it was very long. It was just kind of like a narrow rectangle. Was maybe 300 acres or so. It's really just him and a couple other people managing it. But yeah, he's got this little hand pulled till machine thing. I'm not sure if he made it himself or what, I can't remember exactly why exactly. He's just doing what he's doing, but seems to be working just fine. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So I'm trying to see what else here that I've got written down.
Yeah. Maybe think a bit about the Bitcoin base layer in terms of how, you know, layer one Bitcoin is to supposedly, it's supposed to be just used as a monetary network. But, you know, much like soil from from what I understand, if you degrade the soil, you degrade the crop. So it's kind of like tampering with the Bitcoin base layer. If you kind of keep tampering with that, then I don't know. It kinda goes into this whole BIP one ten and all this other kind of stuff on arbitrary data on the chain. And so it just got me thinking about all that stuff simultaneously while I was there. And the guy's a Bitcoiner too. He was telling us that, back in the day, he he could have been mining Bitcoin.
He had, like, the computer. He had he was aware of all of it, but he kinda missed the boat on that. But, yeah. He's he's a Bitcoiner. I was actually his first payment of Bitcoin for his produce, which was really cool. He was using the Square, little handheld kind of doodad. So he was not too old to toggle? Yeah. Definitely not too old to toggle at all. This guy was really, really cool. Nice. Super awesome dude. Super bright. His, his history was that he did a lot of missionary work in Africa. He's he lived with this tribe for, I don't know, three years or something like that. And he learned a lot about just organic farming from them, I guess, and he brought it back when he came back to The States.
So super full of life, this guy. You'd you'd really like him. It'd be really cool to maybe have him on the podcast as an idea a bit. Sweet. Yeah. Super super inspirational for me. Anyways, kind of encouraged me to want to do this one day, especially how he was doing it such small scale, but really, I don't know, just really thriving in it, being so simple with it. No chemicals, no pesticides, just, you know, down to earth. Yeah. It's it's amazing
[00:39:25] Permanerd:
the amount of food that a person can produce on a small a small area. And I'm not I'm not thinking of 300 acres here, but even a a corner lot or a backyard. Yeah. You know, if you're doing things if you're doing things correctly, you can really, really make a small area into a thriving, food. Mhmm. All the layers, you get the the lower layers, the upper layers, the vines, and if you can just stack things together. Stacking functions.
[00:39:56] Oshi:
Yeah. Definitely. It oh, yeah. There was another thing I wanted to touch on was, you know the principle Chesterton's fence? You ever heard of that? Oh, it doesn't ring a bell. Oh, well, there's this principle called Chesterton's fence. It's basically the the idea that you see something there and you just think, oh, I need to remove this thing because I don't think it should be there. Instead of asking first, okay, well, why is it there in the first place and really contemplating on that before you just remove the thing because who knows, there may be a purpose to that.
And it just kind of goes to you know being more cognizant of asking better questions and not tampering with too many things. Again all kind of relating to this Bitcoin fiasco that's going on currently and the whole op return and all the technical stuff that I don't fully grasp right now, but it just it got me thinking about it, learning all this permaculture stuff. I think it's pretty interesting.
[00:40:55] Permanerd:
Yes. I do know what you're referring to, and it's, Chesterton's fence is the is the common the common one. And that the way I understand it is, like, one guy goes over to his his neighbor and says, hey. Can I tear down this fence? And and the other farmer says, yeah. Sure. As soon as you can tell me why it's there. Something like that. Like, you know, figure out the reason of the fence before tearing it down.
[00:41:22] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. I think there's a lot of lessons to be said in that instead of just ripping things out because you think that it shouldn't be there instead of just, like, looking at the larger picture. It is. It that and I'm the BIP one ten thing seems to be
[00:41:36] Permanerd:
the hot topic. And Mhmm. Like, I don't know if it's hyperbole or
[00:41:42] Oshi:
or what, but people are thinking that it's, you know, the end of Bitcoin if it doesn't if it Yeah. Does take over. I don't I don't have a side. I'm not taking any sides right now. I I I just wanna take the right position. I I just want I just want Bitcoin to win. I don't care what fork what fork this, you know. So ultimately, it's it's, you know, it's this kind of stuff is going to keep happening. I mean, back in 2017, there was the block size wars and we managed to get out of that just fine. But I think there's something to say about changing the base layer too much, tampering it too much, maybe tilling the soil too deep, so to speak.
I don't know. I think we need to be careful sometimes and not tinker with it. I mean, because that's what layer two and layer three is all for. That's that those are the things to kind of expand upon. Because I think, you know, if you tamper with the fundamental layer too much, I think it's you know, you start to rot the thing, everything going upwards.
[00:42:40] Permanerd:
Alright. That's a good analogy. I mean, the the blockchain is the soil. And everything all the layers above that are the plants that are growing from the soil. And like you said, if you Mhmm. If you destroy the soil, then nothing else can survive.
[00:42:58] Oshi:
Yeah. And it's it's okay to tend to it, you know, but to just kind of go ham on it, go all GMO on it. But the the beauty is that once
[00:43:10] Permanerd:
you get a good soil and you don't allow it to dry out, you know, it it's going to be pretty resilient. Yeah. Exactly. You keep keep messing with it and adding things that you know, just throwing things in to see what happens, that you add that volatility, then maybe it's not going to be as resilient as you thought it was gonna be. Yeah.
[00:43:33] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, the base layer layer one Bitcoin, I mean, the base layer is supposed to just settle value. It's not really
[00:43:41] Permanerd:
meant to have all this other funny business stuff but Yeah. Mean it's a it's a ledger. Right? It's the
[00:43:48] Oshi:
a record of things that have happened is the way that I always understood it. Mhmm. Fundamentally, that's what it was supposed to just be used for. Once And then everything else, layer twos. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I don't know. I think I don't know what I think exactly, but there's just things that I think are worth talking about. Especially with our commerce or your little lessons on permaculture. It's definitely got me thinking. And hopefully it's got other people kind of more intrigued about it and making the connections.
[00:44:19] Permanerd:
Well, there have been there have been some good good notes I've seen on Noster about the permaculture section and which is nice. I don't have any of them bookmarked. But thanks everybody that has commented on the show in general, spread it, all that good stuff. But I I agree. I wasn't around in any capacity for the the block size wars. Mhmm. But I remember, you know, I've I've listened to a few audio books on it. And to me, it's I'm happy that these things are happening now and Mhmm. Before mass adoption Because it seems like this is the kind of stuff that will kill a project is, you know, having the nightly news reporting on, like, who is controlling Bitcoin and, you know, they want this and, you know, with things that they obviously don't understand, but it'll be fear porn.
And Yep. And then scaring people away. So, I mean, if we can hash out all of these things before, you know, Normie Bob watching the news Mhmm. Gets involved, then it's probably a good thing.
[00:45:33] Oshi:
Yeah. And who knows? Maybe this is just the shallow tilling. This isn't really too deep. This is just kind of necessary stuff to just you know, it's just part of the process. There's nothing really wrong. So I don't know. It's it's tough to think about. It is. And,
[00:45:47] Permanerd:
you know, there's I'd be interested to hear people's opinion on whether they think that people are trying to sabotage Bitcoin. Maybe the the answers are out there, I'm sure. But just as far as why these tweaks are deemed so necessary and, you know, who is is the core team captured? You know, these are these are the fear porn headlines. Yeah. You know, like Mhmm. Why
[00:46:15] Oshi:
this Yeah. I don't know. There's this whole saying that the big that Bitcoin itself got out of the hands of the government and CIA and whatever. But, you know, maybe they're just kinda trying to co opt it to gain control of it or try to kill it or I I really don't know. I I don't think it's going anywhere. I think it's too strong. The the majority of the network is, you know, owned by us, you know, and not the ETFs, which is really unique. So I don't know. I don't know where it's gonna go. I think we're alright, though. Well, maybe you can answer me this too.
[00:46:46] Permanerd:
The so the BIP one ten, I'm running an Umbral node with core. And can I turn that on? I mean, I haven't even updated core, so I guess it doesn't really matter that much. Yeah. I'm I'm still I'm still running 29.2
[00:47:04] Oshi:
or something. What am I running? But you could also go into the settings and configure, some of the other settings to control the the sizings that you accept. Because without taking a
[00:47:19] Permanerd:
a strong stance in any direction Yeah. I I'll be the waffler.
[00:47:24] Oshi:
No. I am too.
[00:47:25] Permanerd:
I mean, it sounds to me like that is the way to go. I mean, I retracting the opsec increase. Mhmm. I mean, we have to it's kinda weird, though, because it is it so is BIP one ten, is that just undoing? Like, you're putting in a a protocol? Or
[00:47:48] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, the thing that Mechanic was saying about BIP one ten and what BIP 10 one ten is not even really doing is it's not even disallowing the data to not come in. I mean, it it's still coming in. So it's not really doing what it's, you know, sought out to do. So that's where I'm confused. And, you know, someone can please enlighten me, please, about all of this because it's so confusing. Yeah. Maybe I'll have to track
[00:48:16] Permanerd:
down mechanic
[00:48:18] Oshi:
and see if You guys live in the same little area. We do. And maybe you could get a
[00:48:25] Permanerd:
I don't I I don't know if he speaks layman. I don't know him that well. So I don't know if he do you speak Normie by chance? Or we'll have to have a translator. Pleb? Yeah. We'll have to we'll have to have a Can you speak pleb with a lisp? Or somebody else that you know, I'll I'll actually reach out and see if we can Oh, you know who we could reach out to and ask?
[00:48:54] Oshi:
My, my little my little friends, Eric FJ and and Sync. Oh my god. Every time everything just goes back to them, doesn't it? I like those guys. Honestly, though, think I think Sync Sync is a cool dude. I mean, they're both really great, great people. Who do like better? So Who do you like better? You know, I kinda oh, gosh. Why are you putting me on the spot, man?
[00:49:25] Permanerd:
You know what? It would make me feel so much better if you would've just came back and said, you know what? I didn't like those guys at all. It would've made me
[00:49:32] Oshi:
Yeah. You know what? Guys, just take down the episode. Yeah. Right. Right.
[00:49:38] Permanerd:
Okay. I'm running 29.1 also.
[00:49:41] Oshi:
Nice. My my crew. Let's go. Yeah. I've gotten a lot of not a lot of people, but I've just been seeing people priding themselves with, yeah, running BIP one ten and I'm just sitting here. I, you know, I don't know what to believe. I, like, I really don't know. Like, I just I'm I'm just hanging back. I'm, you know, everything works on my node. My transactions are coming through. I, you know, I I can configure it in the settings to
[00:50:07] Permanerd:
not allow a certain size to come in. So, again, I'm I'm missing something here. So someone enlightened me. I'm just gonna sit back and and then Yeah. Just clap the back of the winner and say that I was on their side the entire time.
[00:50:22] Oshi:
Yep. Yep. Me and you both.
[00:50:25] Permanerd:
Call me I'll call me Sweden. It'll be what? Sweden. Like, oh. Oh. Yeah. We'll help you out. Germany and then oh, wait. Hold on. Maybe that wasn't a great idea to give you all our steel. Or was that Lithuania or Luxembourg? No. Lithuania is our neutral country. Is our best friend of the show, Lithuania.
[00:50:43] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. They're they're zapping us.
[00:50:47] Permanerd:
Okay. Here's another question that you can't answer.
[00:50:53] Oshi:
Yeah. So we have another question that we can't answer. Exactly.
[00:51:00] Permanerd:
Bitcoin knots. Right? So is that did that have the op sec increase?
[00:51:07] Oshi:
No. They were the ones that wanted to mitigate the size.
[00:51:10] Permanerd:
So it's But I'm looking at this one. I'm just looking it up on Umbral. And it says version one point two point one two. That's fun numerology. It says this version adds bit one TED code directly into the Bitcoin KNOTS code base. Yeah. Yeah. KNOTS is, BIP one ten. But That's that's the camp. Why would they need BIP one ten if they didn't increase OPSEC size? I don't know. I'm confused. Me too.
[00:51:37] Oshi:
I'm so confused. Like, I'm just sitting pretty, man. Jeez. I listen to some Bitcoin podcasts,
[00:51:43] Permanerd:
and I just I think I just start drooling. Like, I really wanna know this, but gee. Exactly.
[00:51:52] Oshi:
It's I just use it as money, man. Like, I just I just want, yeah, transparency,
[00:51:57] Permanerd:
security. That's all I'm asking. But but I understand the Federal Reserve. I want to understand Bitcoin Reserve.
[00:52:04] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. You and me both.
[00:52:08] Permanerd:
Alright. So hit us up with with core versus not bit one one ten, where we're wrong, where we're right, and and what we should be doing. Tell us what we should be doing. Just tell me what you think. Just tell me what to do.
[00:52:27] Oshi:
Well, no. Don't tell me what to think. Thinking is hard. Sometimes it's better to not. That's why I just go outside and
[00:52:35] Permanerd:
make stuff with my hands. Yeah. Get your hands dirty. Get them in the dirt. Let your feet touch grass. Touch grass. Yep.
[00:52:49] Oshi:
Market square.
[00:52:50] Permanerd:
Market square.
[00:52:55] Oshi:
Who do we got? Today,
[00:52:58] Permanerd:
we wanted to bring in a Bitcoin vendor. Although, I'm looking at their website, they do take cash as well. Their website has a lot of stuff. So you know what? Maybe they actually listen to, Seed Vault Market, and you could find them at takemystatsdotcom. / That was on key. Right? I don't even know what that means, dude. Like, I'm so musically retarded. Do know you what a key is? A key. Yeah. I use it to secure my Bitcoin. To, like, start my tractor. Right? That's exactly right. I used to save for my, yeah, my truck, but, nope. It's got all those fancy buttons now I push.
So it's takemysats.com/seedvaultmarket. And the only thing he has here is homemade strawberry jelly and large leaf basil seeds. But there's also a he's got a website or they have a website. I don't know if it's I'm not gonna gender this person because I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. But Neutral. That's right. And that is Seed Vault. This is where you come in. Seedvault. .Market. .Com. Dot .org? .Market, which is pretty cool too. And dotmarket. Just looking at it, he's got all sorts of heirloom seeds, corn, loofah. I need some loofah seeds. Send me some loofah seeds, seed vault, and then, sprouts, beans, peas, carrots, tomatoes.
Nice. So, yeah, check it out. That's awesome. And let him know that Yotta sent you. And I would imagine that well, I'm I'm guessing here, but he would probably sell anything that's on his website for for sats as well, not just what's in the take my sats. Mhmm.
[00:55:00] Oshi:
Cool.
[00:55:01] Permanerd:
Check them out. Check them out. And, again, I need some of those loofah seeds. You know what a loofah is? Yeah.
[00:55:07] Oshi:
Yeah. I have one. I I bathe with it. Oh, nice. Did you know that it was a plant? That's great. Mhmm. I did. Cool. I have some knowledge.
[00:55:17] Permanerd:
I didn't I grew I grew some last year, and that was pretty fun to grow. But Are they easy to grow? Yeah. Once it gets warm and you have good soil so, like, soil is, the best.
[00:55:32] Oshi:
Soil is so sweet.
[00:55:34] Permanerd:
It was just we planted them too late, which it might be right now too, actually. But so they didn't they didn't ripen properly. We didn't get by the time it got cold and we had gotta bring them in before they froze, so we didn't really get to collect any of the seeds. Mhmm. So I need some more. Because that would be a cool product to sell, actually. Know. I wanted to cut them up and make soap out of them too. Soap? Yeah. So you put put it in and then and then put the soap around it, and then you kinda have a scrubby soap.
[00:56:03] Oshi:
Oh, cool.
[00:56:06] Permanerd:
You should definitely look into doing that then. Yep. I'm gonna put it on my list.
[00:56:11] Oshi:
Let's go. Put around.
[00:56:15] Permanerd:
Yeah. Actually, on the the seedvault.market site, there's a it looks like a maybe a what is that? A bean or something that's growing. No. Not a bean. Maybe a squash or pumpkin. The the seedling is is sprouting, is pretty cool. See all these great websites like yours and this one and then realize that I got put that's on my list as well. Mhmm. What else we got? We should close out. Yeah. Well, there's there's one thing you had mentioned, Darth Coin. And I don't know if you wanted to
[00:56:51] Oshi:
break that up if you have any idea. Yeah. What was that about? It it was just about, I mean, basically, really doing what we're doing essentially at the Market Square, but, gosh, where was it? I find the post. It was on Stacker News. Shout out Darth Gorn. That that guy is awesome. He supports a lot of what I do and a bunch of other awesome merchants. He's always got some good feedback. I'm trying to find the post. Should I read it? If you want to or, yeah, whatever you wanna A synopsis. I guess I should read it. I think it's something interesting.
Yeah. So this is from Darth Coin on Stacker News. He just made this he tagged both you and me in this. But he says, lately, was thinking about a call to action movement for all Bitcoiners that want to be involved in building circular economies. And a simple example to start would be Steak and Shake. How to make a real Bitcoin burger prepared only with ingredients paid in Bitcoin? Start small with one product and promote it as a special. What if stackers like ciggy47 would do the following? He has find a local butcher, farmer that can provide meat and other ingredients for those burgers and fries, propose to sell for Sats his meat ingredients to sell to Steak and Shake. Yes it'd be not much volume in the beginning but to start small and see how the market goes.
Put them together to Steak and Shake manager and the local farmer producer to come up with a process. Promote this special burger to more Bitcoiners to visit and try and pay with Sats. Good idea. Love that. He he has for example, the new podcast by Oshi and Permanerd could launch a new method for their podcast similar to what is doing similar to what is doing PlebPoet with SN zine, Stecker News zine. Listeners that want to promote a merchant product, service, etcetera, could pay x amount of sats for promotion during the podcast.
X sats per x amount of minutes or simply a 2 ks sats for a mention of a web page or service. Make paid simple, classifieds. People that love a product service will help also that small merchant to be known. He goes on and on and then he says, Oshigood, Permanerd, and Agora, maybe you will make a special episode with your podcast where you invite two to three merchants, producers that could collaborate with each other like you did Oshi with Bitcoin Beans. Your example is the perfect one to follow, how a small producer could use ingredients paid with sats too.
Yeah. So what he's referencing there is little collaboration with our friend Bitcoin Beans who produces cacao in Colombia, and I use this product in my product. So it's kind of just like a collaboration effort in marketing both of our efforts and, you know, myself creating a unique product. And so lots of lots of good substance here that could be distilled into something something useful, I think, for the podcast. So, you know, something to think about. And like you said, things that are that are happening
[01:00:04] Permanerd:
already also.
[01:00:06] Oshi:
Mhmm. It seems to be, like, just a natural way of this kind of stuff, which is really cool. I I just love doing more collaboration stuff. So yeah. Absolutely.
[01:00:14] Permanerd:
And I think once you start accepting Bitcoin for a product, then you start looking at ways to spend Bitcoin also. You know, it's that I guess it is just a circular economy, but I would much rather pay somebody Bitcoin for ingredients than have to deal with, you know, fiat and then taking Bitcoin as well.
[01:00:41] Oshi:
There's a there's a interesting paper. I'll have to find it. Our friend over at Bronta, I think Tristan is his name. He wrote this write up about the psychological effects of people spending their Bitcoin versus fiat. There's a more pleasurable experience in spending your Bitcoin versus credit card, which I I find I don't know. It makes sense to me. I feel it. I'm sure everyone else feels better using it too. But, yeah, it's a great article. I'll I'll have to find it, maybe we can link it somewhere. I have a a friend who is an old an OG Bitcoiner,
[01:01:15] Permanerd:
and he has yet to set up a Lightning wallet. And it's I I wonder how many Bitcoiners are are out there that still don't use or even know how to use Bitcoin in everyday small transactions. Yeah. I wonder. If you're out there listening, let us know. I'm sure that most people that listening to this podcast are
[01:01:40] Oshi:
are spending Is there anybody?
[01:01:42] Permanerd:
That's right. And to my friend who shall not be named, I'm still here if you want some if you want some help or some encouragement. Hello, my friend. Where are they gonna find where where can they find you?
[01:02:03] Oshi:
Website, oshigood.us. Oh, so the shop is stocked with chocolates. Definitely snag some because I don't make these very much. I've got the juanduja truffles. If anyone has seen that word and is like, how the hell do I pronounce that? Juanduja. So it's that crazy g looking word. It's an Italian kind of style chocolate which I didn't even know existed but the Wanduja truffles, so good. So couple jars of those, couple of the chocolate nodes, regular chocolates are on deck. Other than that, just on Noster. Yeah. Website Noster. And use Yada for at checkout. Save yourself some sats.
[01:02:45] Permanerd:
Why not? Nice. So do you need two of those or will one do you?
[01:02:51] Oshi:
One will do you. But if you want two, that'll do you too. But can you eat just one? No. Nope. You you'll eat about three. They're awesome. They're really, really good. Are you stocked in your shop? Where can people find you? Satsforsnacks.com,
[01:03:08] Permanerd:
the number four. Pretty well, I think. Might be out of no. I I should be good. I still haven't gotten any of the the ice cream sandwiches, fudge bars, or yogurt sickles. I I have shipped some out, though, and they the feedback's been phenomenal. Yeah. I saw flu get some of his. He loves it. Yeah. Flu got a double dose, I think, from the he can thank the post office for that one. Does Flu listen? Do you listen, Flu? Yeah. I wonder. We'll see. Yeah. Send a boost if you listen. Say hi or just post it on an Oscar. Let us know because we both love you very much.
[01:03:49] Oshi:
Yeah. No. He's a legend.
[01:03:55] Permanerd:
Cool. With that, we will see you next time. And until then, just remember that you are the algorithm.
Hello, Hello, and welcome to the Yada podcast where you are the algorithm. I am Permanerd, and I am joined today by my cohort in crime. And well, what do you say? The cheater on a different podcast, I guess?
[00:00:34] Oshi:
I didn't cheat on you. They invited me.
[00:00:38] Permanerd:
Oh, well, that's not cheating. Yeah. It's different. It's different when they when the person invites you. Because they invited me in the house and I ate them because they invited me. Vampire. What is this? Episode 12. We got it. There you go. Nice. Throat up front. How are doing?
[00:00:56] Oshi:
Doing good. Doing well. Rather than me correct my speech, doing well. How are you?
[00:01:02] Permanerd:
I am also doing well. We've had a bit of a it's been a week now of nursing an elderly cat back to back to health. Oh. One of our cats, Wiley, is 15. And last Saturday, I was actually out looking for him because I hadn't seen him in a while. And he was in a a side yard, and he was just laying there. And usually if he sees me, he'll come up, but he was just laying there. I started petting him. He was purring, but his back his entire back end was not moving at all. Oh. So Fifteen. He's up there. He is up there.
So I, yeah, I lifted up one of his back legs. It was pretty floppy. So Aw. That's taking him to the vet. And he had two pretty good fractures in one leg. And so he's in a cast now, and he was struggling to use the litter box and whatnot for a while. He's he's doing pretty good now, but still have no idea what happened. He was just in the middle of the yard with not super close to the road, not so not underneath a climbing tree or anything.
[00:02:15] Oshi:
Yeah. Well, that's sad. I hope it gets better.
[00:02:19] Permanerd:
Yeah. He's he's doing well. I mean, for a 15 year old cat. But
[00:02:25] Oshi:
that's been part of my week. But from the sounds of it, you got the whole house to yourself this weekend?
[00:02:30] Permanerd:
I did. Yes. The the crew left to go to Edmonton on The big smoke? Wednesday, the big exactly. Big smoke. So I've been getting things that just take a long time and don't show a lot of progress done. Mhmm. Some deep cleaning in the house. Planted a couple persimmon trees.
[00:02:51] Oshi:
Oh. I love persimmons. Oh my gosh. Nice. Yeah.
[00:02:55] Permanerd:
Well, I started I had bought was at Costco and they had persimmon trees and they're not very common around here until
[00:03:02] Oshi:
Yeah. I was gonna say that actually the pecan farmer, pecan farmer that I work with, he grows persimmons and he gave me just like a couple a while ago to try. I've never tried persimmons until then and man, those things are amazing. They're so sweet,
[00:03:18] Permanerd:
so good. Do you know what variety they were?
[00:03:21] Oshi:
I can't remember.
[00:03:24] Permanerd:
Did they have seeds? No.
[00:03:26] Oshi:
They didn't have seeds. Okay.
[00:03:28] Permanerd:
So the I figured out quite a bit about this as my one of my neighbors is very heavy into gardening, and she has a a small nursery that she started a couple years ago bringing in edible, not so common, trees and and plants. And and so I had sent her a a picture. Like, hey. I got one of my persimmons in. She's like, oh, what variety is it? And it turns out that American persimmons have seeds. Whereas Asian ones, most of them don't. And so she said that she's got Asian persimmons. And because I planted American ones, there's a good chance that it'll get pollinated, and then hers will have seeds as well. And so I went down a a persimmons rabbit hole basically and figured out different, varieties.
And so I ended up getting a couple different ones that were that have the Asian persuasion.
[00:04:22] Oshi:
Yeah. I'm looking them up right now. Yeah. I didn't realize there was so much variety.
[00:04:26] Permanerd:
There is. And then there's also an astringent and a non astringent. And so the astringent ones, which is the the American variety that as far as I understand it. And you can't eat it until it is completely ripe, where it starts to almost get mushier. Some of them turn into almost like a jelly. Yeah. And so they have seeds, and then you have to wait for them to get ripe. Whereas some of the the Asian or Japanese versions,
[00:04:58] Oshi:
you can eat them like a crisp apple as well, and they're not disgusting. Yeah. The the one that that my farmer has, he it was more of, the the mushy kind of one. It's really, really good. Very much like pudding or something. It was so delicious. Really sweet. Yeah. That's what they say. The the flavors are. There's, caramel
[00:05:17] Permanerd:
almost. Mhmm. Yep.
[00:05:19] Oshi:
Yep. Very much. It might be the I'm looking at it here. Fuyu, f u y u. Yep. Yep. And then they got the Jiro, g or j I r o. They look very similar. That was the one of the varieties I got was an early Jiro. Early Giro. Yeah. So I've got two. Good band name. Yes.
[00:05:40] Permanerd:
Early Giro. Yeah. Just trying to increase the the biodiversity of that's one of the things too. When you're when you're planting, you're kinda you wanna look for you know, if you have apple trees, look for early, mid, and late apples. So they ripen at different times of the year so you have a harvest continuously instead of just having, you know, a ton of apples in this in the fall. Maybe you'll get some in late summer.
[00:06:07] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. I think maybe we'll touch on it later but Absolutely. Egg eggplant and okra seem to grow pretty much like all year long. It seems to go and thrive through winter and warm weather,
[00:06:22] Permanerd:
but that's just what I've heard. Yeah. Well, it's again, it's like, you know, is it a perennial or is it an annual? Well, where do you live? Right? Tomatoes can be annuals, but they're not gonna survive here in the Gotcha.
[00:06:34] Oshi:
Should we run the numbers? Yeah. Let's do it.
[00:06:38] Permanerd:
So the the Yotta podcast is a little venture that Osha and I decided endeavor upon. Jeez. What how long ago do we talk about it? Six months? Probably, which is crazy. Yep. It is crazy. So, I mean, we're on episode 12, which is three months of of doing the show. Yep. And we don't take sponsors. We are value for value, open source, do whatever you want with this show. I think we're both cool with that. And value can be anything from sharing the show, sending an email, hitting us up on Noster, or sending us a boost on podcasting two point o compatible apps such as Fountain.
And with that boost, which is a small amount of Bitcoin, you can send a boost to Graham, which we like to read because some of them are funny, some of them pat us on the back, and we appreciate both.
[00:07:36] Oshi:
Yeah. I like the funny ones.
[00:07:39] Permanerd:
As do I. There's even some negative ones possibly. So send us whatever you want to. I welcome it. Bring it. So the first boostogram is from the fountain app, and it's 10:33 from Jim Seifert. Thanks, Jim. And it says the one thing I'd like to see more of regarding the second permaculture principle is examining one's own waste stream to slow export of outputs and reduce inputs. Not just recycle, reuse, but concentrate on reduce of inputs and outputs. Management of our own waste stream is on each of us. Take care of your own shit, and it'll take care of you.
And then it says, you don't have to read my hashtags. Hashtag s m I j, hashtag zapped, hashtag grown ostrich. I don't have to, but I like to. So that is and maybe we'll touch on that later too, but that is certainly a big part of permaculture is just slowing down and hopefully eventually eliminating any external inputs. Mhmm. And and that comes, again, back to the biodiversity and and growing plants. We we touched upon in the guild, growing plants that not only produce a yield of food, but also produce a yield of mulch or, like comfrey, you know, mining those minerals from deeper than the tree's roots can grow and then and then cutting off the leaves and and mulching with those. And now what you're doing is introducing all of those nutrients from down there to a place where the tree can receive it.
And now you're not buying nitrogen fertilizers in order to, help your crops. The next, boost is 2,099 from bullish clips. Nice. The referral code feature is still a work in progress, but Yotta supporters will get hooked up, sign up, and start selling stuff for Sats the easy way at httpscolon//www.take my sats. Well, thank you, bullish. Yeah. I always appreciate it. Thank you, bullish. And then we've got a row of sticks one one one one sats from Eric FJ. Oh,
[00:10:13] Oshi:
my cheater.
[00:10:14] Permanerd:
I gave you one one pass, and you used it on Eric FJ. Alright.
[00:10:22] Oshi:
You had a good time, though. Missed you.
[00:10:28] Permanerd:
For anybody that's wondering we're talking about,
[00:10:31] Oshi:
Oh She Went well, you can talk about it. Yeah. He invited me onto their podcast with, his buddy Sync. And, yeah, I just kind of spoke about my history about Oshi and Bitcoin and Oster and all that stuff. And before all that, they were doing more technical things discussion, but a little bit over my head, but that's okay. I learned a bunch of stuff. But, yeah, it's a good podcast. I worth it's worth checking out, I think. So thanks again, Eric and Sync. It was really fun. And that's the Open Markets podcast
[00:11:01] Permanerd:
who if you open the door just a crack, they'll open it and steal your cohost. And his boostergram says, sir, morning, and thank you for allowing us to borrow your otter friend and his strings. He's quite clever and talented. I'm glad you two communicated about him having a fling with open markets. We had fun, but I can assure you he remains a loyal he remains loyal to Yada. You're his primary. We'd like to continue these polypod cross pollinations and have you on sometimes for the for some blah blah on BTC slash Noster circular economies, permaculture, and Canadianisms.
A a plus tarde monamie.
[00:11:50] Oshi:
I'll let you go cheat with them. Oh, man.
[00:11:54] Permanerd:
Were they were they kind? Were they gentle? Very,
[00:11:59] Oshi:
very gentle. I can assure you that.
[00:12:03] Permanerd:
Cool. Well, maybe we'll make it happen sometime. Yeah.
[00:12:08] Oshi:
You should. And then You talked on some other podcast, though. Right?
[00:12:13] Permanerd:
You got some other one you were saying? Yeah. We we were actually supposed to record on Thursday, but it it didn't work out so well with Ivor Tola and Ivor. Yeah. And my friend door to door. We do a podcast called Android App Addicts.
[00:12:28] Oshi:
Cool. Drop that in the in the link somewhere. Lot lot of blah blah blah on there too.
[00:12:35] Permanerd:
And the next boostogram is $4.20 sats, which is a very common donation, which is much appreciated from our friend, Undisciplined. These are all for, episode number 11, Ren in trouble. And it says, I've noticed people using Noster as social media less often, even regular Stacker News users. When you have inventory, try posting it in the Agora at Stacker News. Mhmm. There might be some interest there. Good call. Yeah. I do that sometimes. Yeah. I want to do all of just drop my just drop my chair to the floor. Come back up. Okay.
Yeah. There's Everyone wet. They teach you that over that open markets podcast. Yeah. There's a lot of things that I want to do. Unfortunately, I so hard to get around to to many of them, and Stacker News is still still on the list. I've got things that I'm half written that I wanna post on there. It's just it's I I need to figure out a better way during the winter to get all of this kind of stuff done. Because once spring comes around, it's just it's a gong show constantly moving. I hear you. And then we got another 99 stats from bullish clips.
And it just says bullish on the edge.
[00:14:05] Oshi:
Nice. Gotta dig in for that one.
[00:14:08] Permanerd:
Really dig deep. And then there's a one ninety eight stats from as nine thirty seven. And it says, new Yada podcast coffee grounded in the garden. Blessed to have this community.
[00:14:24] Oshi:
Beautiful.
[00:14:27] Permanerd:
That really is beautiful. And thank you. That was that was awesome. I really like that one. And I think that was it. So thank you, guys.
[00:14:37] Oshi:
Thank you. Thank you.
[00:14:39] Permanerd:
And now I'll move on to the analytics section. That's my analytics song. I like it. You like it? So we host this on Pod Home, which the the bill just came up. And I still haven't heard back from them to pay monthly in stats, but the bill came up. And we were covered with, with boosts. Cool. So that's awesome. But just barely. We squeaked and squeaked in. So any any more help contributions would be great because there are small fees of that are associated with this podcast, and there will be more coming up in the future.
So we're at all time downloads are 7,178. Episode number 11 kinda went down considerably. So in the first twenty four hours, it's 222, which was down from three zero three from the episode before. And we're at a total of 454 downloads, whereas episode 10 was at six eighty one and then seven twenty nine and seven thirty one. Well, that's what you get for a whole number. Right? Yeah. That's what you get for I don't know what for, actually. Let us know. Why why would the numbers drop off like that? Is it the title? Is it the art? Is it I don't know, man. We gotta figure this out.
[00:16:12] Oshi:
Maybe, it's because I went on the the other podcast.
[00:16:17] Permanerd:
People don't like whores.
[00:16:19] Oshi:
Yeah. Keep going, man. One and done. Come on.
[00:16:28] Permanerd:
And then it is still Domus and Apple Podcast taking the lead for players. IPhone, 76%. Android at 9.65%. And we've got a couple of new countries at the bottom of the list of downloads, and that includes Ukraine Ukraine. Laos or Lao as it is pronounced, which I've been to, and it's pretty amazing. I'd recommend it. Cameroon, and I think that's it. I think we had Brunei before. So that's pretty cool. We got last episode, we had a a boost from Lithuania. So let's see what else we can do here. Laos, let me know where you're at.
[00:17:15] Oshi:
That's really cool. What were you doing in Laos?
[00:17:18] Permanerd:
Oh, just exploring. I've spent quite a bit of time in Southeast Asia, and there's a kind of a tourist circuit that goes up through up through Laos, so I did that. It was pretty amazing.
[00:17:33] Oshi:
Yeah. That's cool. Spending so You don't hear much much about Laos
[00:17:36] Permanerd:
in the everyday. No. I mean, the the most I heard about it was before was, like, just being the the dump off spot for extra bombs in the Vietnam War. Like, they would fly over and then just empty their cash that they didn't use to blow up people in North Vietnam and drop it on Laos. Oh, well, that's not so good. Yeah. Yeah. Here you go. You're welcome. It's a dump ground. But that whole area over there is is pretty fantastic. I mean, the, you know, Thailand and Cambodia with Angkor Wat. If you ever get a chance to go to Angkor Wat, I mean, there's a guy that likes to take pictures. You could be there for the rest of your life taking pictures.
[00:18:20] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to go to more of East Asia and stuff. I've only been to Japan twice, but we we traveled, like, all across Japan for three weeks, all the way from Tokyo all the way down to Fukuoka,
[00:18:34] Permanerd:
like the island on the South Side. But, yeah, gotta do some more traveling. We'll see. Well, it seems to just be getting worse and worse though as far as I know. Airports and security and Mhmm. All that fun stuff.
[00:18:49] Oshi:
Because I may be going to Colombia to visit our friend Steven over at Bitcoin Beans maybe late September. So hopefully, the situation of flying and stuff will be better. Probably not, but fingers crossed. Wow. That would be that would be amazing. Yeah. It'd be really fun. He's been wanting me to come over and help him plant cacao trees and help, build his, his home over there. So it should be really fun.
[00:19:19] Permanerd:
So he's looking for a laborer. Yeah. You know? Cool. Gotta put me to work. Gotta earn your keep, if you know what I mean. Be handy with the or has it be handy with the steel, if you know what I mean. Regulators
[00:19:32] Oshi:
mount up. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a good trip, though. It'd be nice to learn a bit more about the land of where the cacao comes from because I do work with it in the products that I have. So that's kind of one of the main things that he really wanted to encourage me to come and experience, which is really cool. Yeah. For sure. And who knows? I may not come back. I may just stay. Awesome. Yeah. So this may be the last podcast.
[00:19:59] Permanerd:
I blame Eric, FJ, and Sync. Alright. The last thing we will do for numbers, at least these types of numbers, is the jar, the jar. So for episode 11, and this is just where we like to be impeccable with our word and try to try to eliminate Speak gooder. Yeah. We like to speak gooder and eliminate filler words. And in the last episode, Oshi had 3,442 words with a minimal nine fillers for a point 26%, and that's three ums. Yeah. Three ums and six likes.
[00:20:52] Oshi:
Okay.
[00:20:53] Permanerd:
And I had 6,113 words, seven fillers for a point one one percent, and that's zero ums
[00:21:01] Oshi:
and seven like. Okay. We're doing pretty good.
[00:21:05] Permanerd:
And I I vibe coded this this counter in about twenty minutes, so the accuracy is infallible.
[00:21:12] Oshi:
It's, like, perfect.
[00:21:15] Permanerd:
It's, like, perfect, like. So Hey.
[00:21:19] Oshi:
Hey. You're you're inflating your count, sir. Like, stop it.
[00:21:29] Permanerd:
We should do an episode where we could just see how many we can get. Like, it could be really, like, easy to do that. Like, this will just sound like just about every other podcast
[00:21:40] Oshi:
that's out there. Like It would sound like just normal people having conversations, like, at the Applebee's talking about, like, their experience at the bar the other night. Like, I can't believe we're at the same farmer's market. Like, oh my god. You're also getting tomatoes? Oh,
[00:21:56] Permanerd:
I can't believe that you're wearing that. Alright.
[00:22:02] Oshi:
Alright. Let's be let's be kind here.
[00:22:05] Permanerd:
Oh, that wasn't kind?
[00:22:07] Oshi:
It's true. It's true, though. Truth can be hurtful. Yeah.
[00:22:13] Permanerd:
I mean, is it is it hurtful if it's true? Yeah. That's that's that is true. Does this picture make me look ugly? Not
[00:22:22] Oshi:
the picture. Does this picture make you feel bad?
[00:22:29] Permanerd:
Okay. Well, that wraps up the the, numerology and stats section. So now we'll just talk about anything we want to because it's our show. And the first thing I want free reign. First thing I wanna talk about is where is Daniel in Minnesota? Daniel. Daniel. Daniel. Daniel. Still missing? I I really cannot get ahold of him. And I kinda feel bad, but fire Did a flare? Need to. I had smoke signals, flares. I sent a a carrier pigeon.
[00:23:15] Oshi:
Oh, and still nothing? Man. Nothing. So
[00:23:19] Permanerd:
if you if you're in Minnesota and you know a guy named Daniel, just ask him if it's him.
[00:23:26] Oshi:
Oh, I think our friend BJ who sells awesome jerky, I think she's also in Minnesota. BJ,
[00:23:33] Permanerd:
find Daniel. Go find him. Go find him. Find him. Find him, girl. You know what? I'm gonna offer a 5,000 sat reward for anybody that can find Daniel in Minnesota. I need to make posters, dude. Let's make some posters. Wait. Do you know his MPUB? And that's something that I've thought about too with the BTC pay server is I've got email addresses that you put in, but maybe I need to put n pubs.
[00:24:02] Oshi:
Maybe. I don't have that for mine. That's actually probably a good thing to include. Because I did have one, one case where I had a hard time reaching the person, but I actually did make a nostril post,
[00:24:14] Permanerd:
and he saw it. Was his name Daniel by any chance? Is he in Minnesota? It wasn't it wasn't Daniel, unfortunately.
[00:24:21] Oshi:
I think it was Robert. Shout out Robert. I think Daniel's short for Robert, isn't it? I think so. Isn't Dick Richard? Dick Richard?
[00:24:28] Permanerd:
Dick Richards? Hello?
[00:24:30] Oshi:
It's a sick name.
[00:24:34] Permanerd:
And I I I wanna reach out to I I just I like, this has now become a podcast to me just asking for help. I cannot log in to Fountain on my phone, which is running the latest GrapheneOS and the latest Fountain app, and it just won't and Amber trying to use Amber to sign in. Somebody help me out because it just
[00:25:04] Oshi:
won't work. So much for the latest and greatest. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's why I just stick with the the current OS before the new one comes out because if it's stable, I'm staying put.
[00:25:17] Permanerd:
But I've been having problems with this for for a long time with Fountain. I ended up getting, APK pure, I think, which allows you to download older variations. Or Oh, yeah. That's what you were saying on the other episode. Yeah. And so I got it to work that way by doing an old old fountain version, but I it won't even work with that anymore. So help me, please. Help. Help. Help. Is there anybody out there?
[00:25:49] Oshi:
Gotta learn that one. How about you? What's new? What is new? Well, a lot is new. I just got back well, I went yesterday with my little bit Bitcoin group here in town. There's maybe five of us that went to a regenerative farm, which was really fun because you know we've been talking permaculture and stuff lately or you have and I thought it was an a fitting trip to take. So we were there for I don't know a few hours actually, maybe three, four hours. Learned a lot. Learned a lot about soil and tilling and things like that.
He grows a variety of things. He's got a bunch of produce and stuff, but he's got lamb, rabbits. I was looking forward to get some rabbit meat, but he didn't have any left, unfortunately. Ducks. What else? Or he was talking about getting a dairy cow. Or actually, he does have a dairy cow, which is good to know. He was telling us about wanting to sell raw milk and having to you know, the the labeling the labeling for the raw milk is the thing that he's worried about because he just has to put what is it? Not for human consumption or something that the raw milk labels have to have.
He was going all over that, but there was a few things I wanted to talk to you about to pick your brain a bit. And I was taking notes while I was there. And one of the things that he mentioned, which I thought was really interesting, about soil, was that every 1% increase in soil organic matter can hold around 200,000 gallons of water per acre. I'm not sure if that's a little bit inflated of a number. I'm sure you wouldn't necessarily agree with that from what we're talking about from when we were not recording, but I thought that was pretty interesting because, you know, healthy oil or healthy oil. Healthy soil. Let's let's get it straight here. Healthy soil, you know, it should act like a sponge. Right? So the more healthy the soil, the easier it is for water retention and
[00:27:57] Permanerd:
Yeah. That's exactly that's where that's where the organic matter comes in so handy is is you just the the more carbon that you put in, you know, whether that's if you look at a a rotting log and just, you know, even if it's been sunny for a while, you can still go to the middle and it'll be like a sponge. It'll be still full of water. So it's basically that same thing. And 200,000 gallons seems like quite a lot. All the numbers that I've ever seen are, you know, 20 to 25,000 gallons, which is still Which is still pretty significant. Absolutely. For 1% too. I mean that's That's what blew my mind. Yeah. That's where biochar comes in as well, which biochar is just created it's charcoal, but it's a pure form of charcoal. There are there are no impurities. So it's not like buying a briquette for your your stove or your barbecue.
Mhmm. And I've actually made quite a bit here, and you just it's burning wood or or almond husks or whatever else you have or almond shells, I mean, bamboo at a high temperature with low oxygen. And so what that's doing is just burning out everything except the carbon. And then what you're left with is when you when you when you touch it, you can just wipe the the residue off your hands. You know, sometimes you pick up a a piece of wood that's been burning in a in a fire. Yeah. Ideally, it's cooled off before you grab it. And then and then you get, like, that tar residue that just won't come off. Mhmm. So biochar doesn't have that that, personality.
And it sounds like glass when you when you jiggle it together. Oh. And so that is a an excellent way to add pure carbon to your soil. I'm not really sure what made me Yeah. Go into that diatribe.
[00:29:54] Oshi:
Speaking of the whole carbon thing, the other thing that, Steven, what's his name, the farmer at this, Hazelnut Prairie? Hazelnut Farm? One of the two. Really, really awesome guy. But he was also telling us about how he tills his soil because typical farms, these GMO farms, they do deep deep tilling of the soil, which isn't necessarily a good thing from what I understand now because, you know, you're breaking apart soil structure, which is becomes more vulnerable to erosion and stuff, and it just destroys, like, the fungal networks and things like that.
So he what he does is that he just does shallow, tilling, maybe, like, three inches kinda deep.
[00:30:38] Permanerd:
And then while you're doing the deeper tilling, it just it exposes that carbon. Right? I guess so. One of the the the problems with the tilling is you like you said, you're breaking up all those. You're killing tons of of the microbiology that's under there Yeah. By exposing it to sunlight and air and drying it out. All these things need some sort of moisture to survive. That's what tilling, like you said as well, is you're breaking up the mycelium networks and just overall, it's completely destructive.
And now you're like, you're killing all of that. And it just just contributes to that, that chemical fertilizer cycle. Yep. Right? Anything that you've, any gains that you've made over the year by having those roots in the ground and, you know, any sort of microbial life that has grown, you're just killing it off again and then just fill it up with with more more fertilizer reliant on the out or on the inputs like we were talking about before.
[00:31:44] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. Healthy soil, healthy ecosystem.
[00:31:49] Permanerd:
Well, and that's the point really is, you know, you're you're not necessarily when you're when you're building out a food forest or a garden of any type, I find it is more beneficial to look at it as growing soil, not plants. Because once Yeah. Once the soil is healthy, you know, if you can turn dirt into soil, then whatever you plant is going to thrive so much more. So don't worry about, I mean, worry about the plants. But if you're if you're more focused on on growing soil, building soil, then it's gonna make everything else so much easier to grow. What are some good methods in doing that? I like to use cardboard.
Like, it's Cardboard. I was listening to a Bitcoin and a rerun, and it was about about soil. And, like, David Bennett is is a master at describing this stuff much more than I am. But he said that he just looks and he just sees everything he sees on a on a field is soil. Right? He sees the cows and and they're they're soil. All they are is soil. They're they're helping the soil. And I can't explain it as well as he did, but I kinda see that same thing when, you know, there's this influx of Amazon everywhere.
And I see cardboard boxes. I see soil. And so, everywhere that that I plant, like these persimmon trees, what I did is I have a small tractor and I peeled off because it's in this area that is I I messed up a while ago before I knew what I was doing and and just cleared a little area and put put weed barrier down. And it's just a very hot area in the property and there's just nothing there. And so I I used the the backhoe to pull pull the the top layer of weeds and everything out and then threw down biochar, watered that area really well.
And and then what I'll normally do if I have it ready is put, worm castings and make an extract and then put that down there just to get a little bit of life going before, you know, just a little jump start. And then maybe some comfrey leaves and stuff like that. And then I'll put down cardboard, wet it, and then I've got some compost soil and then put that down over the top and then plant into that, cut holes in the cardboard and plant into it. And then, mean, that just gives a good a good start. And then every fall, just create a thick layer of cardboard with more and then mulch. Mulch over the whole thing. Lots and lots of mulch. Three inches of of mulch.
And then in the in the fall, do the same thing, kinda peel back the mulch, put down tons of cardboard, cover it back up, and then just that is a viable way to you know, that that also fits into the problem is the solution. You know, like, oh, I've got all this this cardboard around and, oh, I can use it to build soil. Yeah. Use what you have.
[00:35:00] Oshi:
Yep. That kinda leads into the third thing that Steven, the farmer, was saying to us. He he has these chicken huts that he used for rotational grazing on his property, which I thought was, like, really cool. They're, like, these I don't know. Maybe foot and a half tall, maybe I don't know. 20 by 20 kind of chicken tractor kind of things where he would move the chickens across different sections of the pasture and let them kind of scratch the manure and the other stuff from other livestock and it helps spread the nutrients and things and eat the insects.
I thought that was a really, really cool, method of
[00:35:38] Permanerd:
of of, helping the soil and stuff like that. Do you do you have any chickens or anything like that? I do. My my initial plan with them was a chicken tractor and then I built the chicken tractor and it was way, way too heavy. And so it turned into just a stationary chicken house. Okay. But that that Yeah. This guy was moving it. Yep. Yeah. And we don't we only have three and a half acres, and it's not and maybe half of it is cleared. So we don't have as much of the space as something like that sounds like when you've got the cows, and then you're you're following them with the chickens.
And that's a a fantastic way to do it too is most people will have their their cows. And then when they move it, you know, three days later, they'll move the chickens in. And by that time, the the fly and other bug eggs will start to hatch, and then the chickens will be eating the larvae. Yeah. And like you said, spread spreading it around. And and then so that's why I'm kind of interested as to why he tills even three inches. It sounds like he's got some some good management going on.
[00:36:50] Oshi:
Yeah. It's a I'm trying to think of how big his acreage is. The the land itself is pretty interesting. It wasn't very wide but it was very long. It was just kind of like a narrow rectangle. Was maybe 300 acres or so. It's really just him and a couple other people managing it. But yeah, he's got this little hand pulled till machine thing. I'm not sure if he made it himself or what, I can't remember exactly why exactly. He's just doing what he's doing, but seems to be working just fine. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So I'm trying to see what else here that I've got written down.
Yeah. Maybe think a bit about the Bitcoin base layer in terms of how, you know, layer one Bitcoin is to supposedly, it's supposed to be just used as a monetary network. But, you know, much like soil from from what I understand, if you degrade the soil, you degrade the crop. So it's kind of like tampering with the Bitcoin base layer. If you kind of keep tampering with that, then I don't know. It kinda goes into this whole BIP one ten and all this other kind of stuff on arbitrary data on the chain. And so it just got me thinking about all that stuff simultaneously while I was there. And the guy's a Bitcoiner too. He was telling us that, back in the day, he he could have been mining Bitcoin.
He had, like, the computer. He had he was aware of all of it, but he kinda missed the boat on that. But, yeah. He's he's a Bitcoiner. I was actually his first payment of Bitcoin for his produce, which was really cool. He was using the Square, little handheld kind of doodad. So he was not too old to toggle? Yeah. Definitely not too old to toggle at all. This guy was really, really cool. Nice. Super awesome dude. Super bright. His, his history was that he did a lot of missionary work in Africa. He's he lived with this tribe for, I don't know, three years or something like that. And he learned a lot about just organic farming from them, I guess, and he brought it back when he came back to The States.
So super full of life, this guy. You'd you'd really like him. It'd be really cool to maybe have him on the podcast as an idea a bit. Sweet. Yeah. Super super inspirational for me. Anyways, kind of encouraged me to want to do this one day, especially how he was doing it such small scale, but really, I don't know, just really thriving in it, being so simple with it. No chemicals, no pesticides, just, you know, down to earth. Yeah. It's it's amazing
[00:39:25] Permanerd:
the amount of food that a person can produce on a small a small area. And I'm not I'm not thinking of 300 acres here, but even a a corner lot or a backyard. Yeah. You know, if you're doing things if you're doing things correctly, you can really, really make a small area into a thriving, food. Mhmm. All the layers, you get the the lower layers, the upper layers, the vines, and if you can just stack things together. Stacking functions.
[00:39:56] Oshi:
Yeah. Definitely. It oh, yeah. There was another thing I wanted to touch on was, you know the principle Chesterton's fence? You ever heard of that? Oh, it doesn't ring a bell. Oh, well, there's this principle called Chesterton's fence. It's basically the the idea that you see something there and you just think, oh, I need to remove this thing because I don't think it should be there. Instead of asking first, okay, well, why is it there in the first place and really contemplating on that before you just remove the thing because who knows, there may be a purpose to that.
And it just kind of goes to you know being more cognizant of asking better questions and not tampering with too many things. Again all kind of relating to this Bitcoin fiasco that's going on currently and the whole op return and all the technical stuff that I don't fully grasp right now, but it just it got me thinking about it, learning all this permaculture stuff. I think it's pretty interesting.
[00:40:55] Permanerd:
Yes. I do know what you're referring to, and it's, Chesterton's fence is the is the common the common one. And that the way I understand it is, like, one guy goes over to his his neighbor and says, hey. Can I tear down this fence? And and the other farmer says, yeah. Sure. As soon as you can tell me why it's there. Something like that. Like, you know, figure out the reason of the fence before tearing it down.
[00:41:22] Oshi:
Mhmm. Yeah. I think there's a lot of lessons to be said in that instead of just ripping things out because you think that it shouldn't be there instead of just, like, looking at the larger picture. It is. It that and I'm the BIP one ten thing seems to be
[00:41:36] Permanerd:
the hot topic. And Mhmm. Like, I don't know if it's hyperbole or
[00:41:42] Oshi:
or what, but people are thinking that it's, you know, the end of Bitcoin if it doesn't if it Yeah. Does take over. I don't I don't have a side. I'm not taking any sides right now. I I I just wanna take the right position. I I just want I just want Bitcoin to win. I don't care what fork what fork this, you know. So ultimately, it's it's, you know, it's this kind of stuff is going to keep happening. I mean, back in 2017, there was the block size wars and we managed to get out of that just fine. But I think there's something to say about changing the base layer too much, tampering it too much, maybe tilling the soil too deep, so to speak.
I don't know. I think we need to be careful sometimes and not tinker with it. I mean, because that's what layer two and layer three is all for. That's that those are the things to kind of expand upon. Because I think, you know, if you tamper with the fundamental layer too much, I think it's you know, you start to rot the thing, everything going upwards.
[00:42:40] Permanerd:
Alright. That's a good analogy. I mean, the the blockchain is the soil. And everything all the layers above that are the plants that are growing from the soil. And like you said, if you Mhmm. If you destroy the soil, then nothing else can survive.
[00:42:58] Oshi:
Yeah. And it's it's okay to tend to it, you know, but to just kind of go ham on it, go all GMO on it. But the the beauty is that once
[00:43:10] Permanerd:
you get a good soil and you don't allow it to dry out, you know, it it's going to be pretty resilient. Yeah. Exactly. You keep keep messing with it and adding things that you know, just throwing things in to see what happens, that you add that volatility, then maybe it's not going to be as resilient as you thought it was gonna be. Yeah.
[00:43:33] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, the base layer layer one Bitcoin, I mean, the base layer is supposed to just settle value. It's not really
[00:43:41] Permanerd:
meant to have all this other funny business stuff but Yeah. Mean it's a it's a ledger. Right? It's the
[00:43:48] Oshi:
a record of things that have happened is the way that I always understood it. Mhmm. Fundamentally, that's what it was supposed to just be used for. Once And then everything else, layer twos. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I don't know. I think I don't know what I think exactly, but there's just things that I think are worth talking about. Especially with our commerce or your little lessons on permaculture. It's definitely got me thinking. And hopefully it's got other people kind of more intrigued about it and making the connections.
[00:44:19] Permanerd:
Well, there have been there have been some good good notes I've seen on Noster about the permaculture section and which is nice. I don't have any of them bookmarked. But thanks everybody that has commented on the show in general, spread it, all that good stuff. But I I agree. I wasn't around in any capacity for the the block size wars. Mhmm. But I remember, you know, I've I've listened to a few audio books on it. And to me, it's I'm happy that these things are happening now and Mhmm. Before mass adoption Because it seems like this is the kind of stuff that will kill a project is, you know, having the nightly news reporting on, like, who is controlling Bitcoin and, you know, they want this and, you know, with things that they obviously don't understand, but it'll be fear porn.
And Yep. And then scaring people away. So, I mean, if we can hash out all of these things before, you know, Normie Bob watching the news Mhmm. Gets involved, then it's probably a good thing.
[00:45:33] Oshi:
Yeah. And who knows? Maybe this is just the shallow tilling. This isn't really too deep. This is just kind of necessary stuff to just you know, it's just part of the process. There's nothing really wrong. So I don't know. It's it's tough to think about. It is. And,
[00:45:47] Permanerd:
you know, there's I'd be interested to hear people's opinion on whether they think that people are trying to sabotage Bitcoin. Maybe the the answers are out there, I'm sure. But just as far as why these tweaks are deemed so necessary and, you know, who is is the core team captured? You know, these are these are the fear porn headlines. Yeah. You know, like Mhmm. Why
[00:46:15] Oshi:
this Yeah. I don't know. There's this whole saying that the big that Bitcoin itself got out of the hands of the government and CIA and whatever. But, you know, maybe they're just kinda trying to co opt it to gain control of it or try to kill it or I I really don't know. I I don't think it's going anywhere. I think it's too strong. The the majority of the network is, you know, owned by us, you know, and not the ETFs, which is really unique. So I don't know. I don't know where it's gonna go. I think we're alright, though. Well, maybe you can answer me this too.
[00:46:46] Permanerd:
The so the BIP one ten, I'm running an Umbral node with core. And can I turn that on? I mean, I haven't even updated core, so I guess it doesn't really matter that much. Yeah. I'm I'm still I'm still running 29.2
[00:47:04] Oshi:
or something. What am I running? But you could also go into the settings and configure, some of the other settings to control the the sizings that you accept. Because without taking a
[00:47:19] Permanerd:
a strong stance in any direction Yeah. I I'll be the waffler.
[00:47:24] Oshi:
No. I am too.
[00:47:25] Permanerd:
I mean, it sounds to me like that is the way to go. I mean, I retracting the opsec increase. Mhmm. I mean, we have to it's kinda weird, though, because it is it so is BIP one ten, is that just undoing? Like, you're putting in a a protocol? Or
[00:47:48] Oshi:
Yeah. I mean, the thing that Mechanic was saying about BIP one ten and what BIP 10 one ten is not even really doing is it's not even disallowing the data to not come in. I mean, it it's still coming in. So it's not really doing what it's, you know, sought out to do. So that's where I'm confused. And, you know, someone can please enlighten me, please, about all of this because it's so confusing. Yeah. Maybe I'll have to track
[00:48:16] Permanerd:
down mechanic
[00:48:18] Oshi:
and see if You guys live in the same little area. We do. And maybe you could get a
[00:48:25] Permanerd:
I don't I I don't know if he speaks layman. I don't know him that well. So I don't know if he do you speak Normie by chance? Or we'll have to have a translator. Pleb? Yeah. We'll have to we'll have to have a Can you speak pleb with a lisp? Or somebody else that you know, I'll I'll actually reach out and see if we can Oh, you know who we could reach out to and ask?
[00:48:54] Oshi:
My, my little my little friends, Eric FJ and and Sync. Oh my god. Every time everything just goes back to them, doesn't it? I like those guys. Honestly, though, think I think Sync Sync is a cool dude. I mean, they're both really great, great people. Who do like better? So Who do you like better? You know, I kinda oh, gosh. Why are you putting me on the spot, man?
[00:49:25] Permanerd:
You know what? It would make me feel so much better if you would've just came back and said, you know what? I didn't like those guys at all. It would've made me
[00:49:32] Oshi:
Yeah. You know what? Guys, just take down the episode. Yeah. Right. Right.
[00:49:38] Permanerd:
Okay. I'm running 29.1 also.
[00:49:41] Oshi:
Nice. My my crew. Let's go. Yeah. I've gotten a lot of not a lot of people, but I've just been seeing people priding themselves with, yeah, running BIP one ten and I'm just sitting here. I, you know, I don't know what to believe. I, like, I really don't know. Like, I just I'm I'm just hanging back. I'm, you know, everything works on my node. My transactions are coming through. I, you know, I I can configure it in the settings to
[00:50:07] Permanerd:
not allow a certain size to come in. So, again, I'm I'm missing something here. So someone enlightened me. I'm just gonna sit back and and then Yeah. Just clap the back of the winner and say that I was on their side the entire time.
[00:50:22] Oshi:
Yep. Yep. Me and you both.
[00:50:25] Permanerd:
Call me I'll call me Sweden. It'll be what? Sweden. Like, oh. Oh. Yeah. We'll help you out. Germany and then oh, wait. Hold on. Maybe that wasn't a great idea to give you all our steel. Or was that Lithuania or Luxembourg? No. Lithuania is our neutral country. Is our best friend of the show, Lithuania.
[00:50:43] Oshi:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. They're they're zapping us.
[00:50:47] Permanerd:
Okay. Here's another question that you can't answer.
[00:50:53] Oshi:
Yeah. So we have another question that we can't answer. Exactly.
[00:51:00] Permanerd:
Bitcoin knots. Right? So is that did that have the op sec increase?
[00:51:07] Oshi:
No. They were the ones that wanted to mitigate the size.
[00:51:10] Permanerd:
So it's But I'm looking at this one. I'm just looking it up on Umbral. And it says version one point two point one two. That's fun numerology. It says this version adds bit one TED code directly into the Bitcoin KNOTS code base. Yeah. Yeah. KNOTS is, BIP one ten. But That's that's the camp. Why would they need BIP one ten if they didn't increase OPSEC size? I don't know. I'm confused. Me too.
[00:51:37] Oshi:
I'm so confused. Like, I'm just sitting pretty, man. Jeez. I listen to some Bitcoin podcasts,
[00:51:43] Permanerd:
and I just I think I just start drooling. Like, I really wanna know this, but gee. Exactly.
[00:51:52] Oshi:
It's I just use it as money, man. Like, I just I just want, yeah, transparency,
[00:51:57] Permanerd:
security. That's all I'm asking. But but I understand the Federal Reserve. I want to understand Bitcoin Reserve.
[00:52:04] Oshi:
Yeah. Yeah. You and me both.
[00:52:08] Permanerd:
Alright. So hit us up with with core versus not bit one one ten, where we're wrong, where we're right, and and what we should be doing. Tell us what we should be doing. Just tell me what you think. Just tell me what to do.
[00:52:27] Oshi:
Well, no. Don't tell me what to think. Thinking is hard. Sometimes it's better to not. That's why I just go outside and
[00:52:35] Permanerd:
make stuff with my hands. Yeah. Get your hands dirty. Get them in the dirt. Let your feet touch grass. Touch grass. Yep.
[00:52:49] Oshi:
Market square.
[00:52:50] Permanerd:
Market square.
[00:52:55] Oshi:
Who do we got? Today,
[00:52:58] Permanerd:
we wanted to bring in a Bitcoin vendor. Although, I'm looking at their website, they do take cash as well. Their website has a lot of stuff. So you know what? Maybe they actually listen to, Seed Vault Market, and you could find them at takemystatsdotcom. / That was on key. Right? I don't even know what that means, dude. Like, I'm so musically retarded. Do know you what a key is? A key. Yeah. I use it to secure my Bitcoin. To, like, start my tractor. Right? That's exactly right. I used to save for my, yeah, my truck, but, nope. It's got all those fancy buttons now I push.
So it's takemysats.com/seedvaultmarket. And the only thing he has here is homemade strawberry jelly and large leaf basil seeds. But there's also a he's got a website or they have a website. I don't know if it's I'm not gonna gender this person because I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. But Neutral. That's right. And that is Seed Vault. This is where you come in. Seedvault. .Market. .Com. Dot .org? .Market, which is pretty cool too. And dotmarket. Just looking at it, he's got all sorts of heirloom seeds, corn, loofah. I need some loofah seeds. Send me some loofah seeds, seed vault, and then, sprouts, beans, peas, carrots, tomatoes.
Nice. So, yeah, check it out. That's awesome. And let him know that Yotta sent you. And I would imagine that well, I'm I'm guessing here, but he would probably sell anything that's on his website for for sats as well, not just what's in the take my sats. Mhmm.
[00:55:00] Oshi:
Cool.
[00:55:01] Permanerd:
Check them out. Check them out. And, again, I need some of those loofah seeds. You know what a loofah is? Yeah.
[00:55:07] Oshi:
Yeah. I have one. I I bathe with it. Oh, nice. Did you know that it was a plant? That's great. Mhmm. I did. Cool. I have some knowledge.
[00:55:17] Permanerd:
I didn't I grew I grew some last year, and that was pretty fun to grow. But Are they easy to grow? Yeah. Once it gets warm and you have good soil so, like, soil is, the best.
[00:55:32] Oshi:
Soil is so sweet.
[00:55:34] Permanerd:
It was just we planted them too late, which it might be right now too, actually. But so they didn't they didn't ripen properly. We didn't get by the time it got cold and we had gotta bring them in before they froze, so we didn't really get to collect any of the seeds. Mhmm. So I need some more. Because that would be a cool product to sell, actually. Know. I wanted to cut them up and make soap out of them too. Soap? Yeah. So you put put it in and then and then put the soap around it, and then you kinda have a scrubby soap.
[00:56:03] Oshi:
Oh, cool.
[00:56:06] Permanerd:
You should definitely look into doing that then. Yep. I'm gonna put it on my list.
[00:56:11] Oshi:
Let's go. Put around.
[00:56:15] Permanerd:
Yeah. Actually, on the the seedvault.market site, there's a it looks like a maybe a what is that? A bean or something that's growing. No. Not a bean. Maybe a squash or pumpkin. The the seedling is is sprouting, is pretty cool. See all these great websites like yours and this one and then realize that I got put that's on my list as well. Mhmm. What else we got? We should close out. Yeah. Well, there's there's one thing you had mentioned, Darth Coin. And I don't know if you wanted to
[00:56:51] Oshi:
break that up if you have any idea. Yeah. What was that about? It it was just about, I mean, basically, really doing what we're doing essentially at the Market Square, but, gosh, where was it? I find the post. It was on Stacker News. Shout out Darth Gorn. That that guy is awesome. He supports a lot of what I do and a bunch of other awesome merchants. He's always got some good feedback. I'm trying to find the post. Should I read it? If you want to or, yeah, whatever you wanna A synopsis. I guess I should read it. I think it's something interesting.
Yeah. So this is from Darth Coin on Stacker News. He just made this he tagged both you and me in this. But he says, lately, was thinking about a call to action movement for all Bitcoiners that want to be involved in building circular economies. And a simple example to start would be Steak and Shake. How to make a real Bitcoin burger prepared only with ingredients paid in Bitcoin? Start small with one product and promote it as a special. What if stackers like ciggy47 would do the following? He has find a local butcher, farmer that can provide meat and other ingredients for those burgers and fries, propose to sell for Sats his meat ingredients to sell to Steak and Shake. Yes it'd be not much volume in the beginning but to start small and see how the market goes.
Put them together to Steak and Shake manager and the local farmer producer to come up with a process. Promote this special burger to more Bitcoiners to visit and try and pay with Sats. Good idea. Love that. He he has for example, the new podcast by Oshi and Permanerd could launch a new method for their podcast similar to what is doing similar to what is doing PlebPoet with SN zine, Stecker News zine. Listeners that want to promote a merchant product, service, etcetera, could pay x amount of sats for promotion during the podcast.
X sats per x amount of minutes or simply a 2 ks sats for a mention of a web page or service. Make paid simple, classifieds. People that love a product service will help also that small merchant to be known. He goes on and on and then he says, Oshigood, Permanerd, and Agora, maybe you will make a special episode with your podcast where you invite two to three merchants, producers that could collaborate with each other like you did Oshi with Bitcoin Beans. Your example is the perfect one to follow, how a small producer could use ingredients paid with sats too.
Yeah. So what he's referencing there is little collaboration with our friend Bitcoin Beans who produces cacao in Colombia, and I use this product in my product. So it's kind of just like a collaboration effort in marketing both of our efforts and, you know, myself creating a unique product. And so lots of lots of good substance here that could be distilled into something something useful, I think, for the podcast. So, you know, something to think about. And like you said, things that are that are happening
[01:00:04] Permanerd:
already also.
[01:00:06] Oshi:
Mhmm. It seems to be, like, just a natural way of this kind of stuff, which is really cool. I I just love doing more collaboration stuff. So yeah. Absolutely.
[01:00:14] Permanerd:
And I think once you start accepting Bitcoin for a product, then you start looking at ways to spend Bitcoin also. You know, it's that I guess it is just a circular economy, but I would much rather pay somebody Bitcoin for ingredients than have to deal with, you know, fiat and then taking Bitcoin as well.
[01:00:41] Oshi:
There's a there's a interesting paper. I'll have to find it. Our friend over at Bronta, I think Tristan is his name. He wrote this write up about the psychological effects of people spending their Bitcoin versus fiat. There's a more pleasurable experience in spending your Bitcoin versus credit card, which I I find I don't know. It makes sense to me. I feel it. I'm sure everyone else feels better using it too. But, yeah, it's a great article. I'll I'll have to find it, maybe we can link it somewhere. I have a a friend who is an old an OG Bitcoiner,
[01:01:15] Permanerd:
and he has yet to set up a Lightning wallet. And it's I I wonder how many Bitcoiners are are out there that still don't use or even know how to use Bitcoin in everyday small transactions. Yeah. I wonder. If you're out there listening, let us know. I'm sure that most people that listening to this podcast are
[01:01:40] Oshi:
are spending Is there anybody?
[01:01:42] Permanerd:
That's right. And to my friend who shall not be named, I'm still here if you want some if you want some help or some encouragement. Hello, my friend. Where are they gonna find where where can they find you?
[01:02:03] Oshi:
Website, oshigood.us. Oh, so the shop is stocked with chocolates. Definitely snag some because I don't make these very much. I've got the juanduja truffles. If anyone has seen that word and is like, how the hell do I pronounce that? Juanduja. So it's that crazy g looking word. It's an Italian kind of style chocolate which I didn't even know existed but the Wanduja truffles, so good. So couple jars of those, couple of the chocolate nodes, regular chocolates are on deck. Other than that, just on Noster. Yeah. Website Noster. And use Yada for at checkout. Save yourself some sats.
[01:02:45] Permanerd:
Why not? Nice. So do you need two of those or will one do you?
[01:02:51] Oshi:
One will do you. But if you want two, that'll do you too. But can you eat just one? No. Nope. You you'll eat about three. They're awesome. They're really, really good. Are you stocked in your shop? Where can people find you? Satsforsnacks.com,
[01:03:08] Permanerd:
the number four. Pretty well, I think. Might be out of no. I I should be good. I still haven't gotten any of the the ice cream sandwiches, fudge bars, or yogurt sickles. I I have shipped some out, though, and they the feedback's been phenomenal. Yeah. I saw flu get some of his. He loves it. Yeah. Flu got a double dose, I think, from the he can thank the post office for that one. Does Flu listen? Do you listen, Flu? Yeah. I wonder. We'll see. Yeah. Send a boost if you listen. Say hi or just post it on an Oscar. Let us know because we both love you very much.
[01:03:49] Oshi:
Yeah. No. He's a legend.
[01:03:55] Permanerd:
Cool. With that, we will see you next time. And until then, just remember that you are the algorithm.
Opening Banter and a Rough Week With Wiley
A Quiet Weekend and Planting Persimmon Trees
Running the Numbers and Listener Boosts
Podcast Analytics, Downloads, and Global Reach
Travel Plans, Colombia, and the Filler Word Jar
Missing Daniel and Fountain App Troubles
Touring a Regenerative Farm and Building Soil
Chesterton's Fence and Bitcoin Base Layer Debates
Market Square and Seeds for the Garden
Circular Economies and Closing Merch Plug
Where to Find Oshi and Permanerd Online
